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[DrDuke]

Wilfredo Gomez vs Rocky Lockridge

1: Lockridge 10-9
2: Lockridge 10-9
3: Gomez 10-9
4: Lockridge 10-9
5: Lockridge 10-9
6: Lockridge 10-9
7: Lockridge 10-9
8: Lockridge 10-9
9: Lockridge 10-9
10: Lockridge 10-9
11: Gomez 10-9
12: Gomez 10-9
13: Gomez 10-9
14: Gomez 10-9
15: Gomez 10-9

Total: Lockridge 144-141

A big robbery. It was competetive, but the outcome was clear. It was just a hometown dec for Gomez. The fight started as a slugfest, but Rocky was edgeing and by the middle of the bout it became utterly one-sided. Gomez looked ready to go at some points. Somehow in the last third of the distance Gomez found the second wind, while Lockridge tired, but Wilfredo was simply too late.

[DrDuke]

Julio Cesar Chavez vs Rocky Lockridge

1: Lockridge 10-9
2: Chavez 10-9
3: Lockridge 10-9
4: Chavez 10-9
5: Lockridge 10-9
6: Chavez 10-9
7: Chavez 10-9
8: Lockridge 10-9
9: Chavez 10-9
10: Chavez 10-9
11: Chavez 10-9
12: Chavez 10-9

Total score: Chavez 116-112

Lockridge had a good effort and it was a competetive fight, but the longer it went, it was more clear, who was the boss. Chavez worked well on the backfoot, avoided Rocky's biggest shots, countered excellently, delivered more damage.

[DrDuke]

Michael Dokes vs Randall Tex Cobb

#1
1: Cobb 10-9
2: Dokes 10-9
3: Dokes 10-9
4: Dokes 10-9
5: Dokes 10-9
6: Dokes 10-9
7: Cobb 10-9
8: Cobb 10-9
9: Cobb 10-9
10: Dokes 10-9
Total score: Dokes 96-94

In the first round Cobb was aggressive, Dokes was adapting. Since the 2nd Dokes was in charge. Cobb finally found his target in the second half of the fight, but it was too late and Dokes still finished stronger.

#2
1: Cobb 10-9
2: Cobb 10-9
3: Dokes 10-9
4: Clash of heads and TD
Before stoppage: Cobb 29-28

A quite close affair. The fight was stopped too early, no one had established a clear dominance yet, but Cobb had a bit better start with effective aggression.

[DrDuke]

Randall Tex Cobb vs Leon Spinks

1: Cobb 10-9
2: Cobb 10-9
3: Cobb 10-9
4: Cobb 10-9
5: Spinks 10-9
6: Cobb 10-9
7: Cobb 10-9
8: Spinks 10-9
9: Spinks 10-9
10: Spinks 10-9

Total score: Cobb 96-94

It should have been 4 rounds instead of 10. Both were way past prime, especially Leon. In the early rounds it was a fun brawl of bouncers. Cobb was aggressive and imposed a straightforward fight. Yet both tired by the mid rounds, since then the bout turned to a dull affair, a brawl of the drunken bouncers. There was slow swinging with no power in it, there was pushing and hugging. Cobb tired more because of the early aggression, he could barely stand in the late rounds, that's why Spinks was looking better there. Overall, Cobb did more through the fight. It was fun to watch for 3 rounds, it was an ugly contest in general.

[jezzamundo]

Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward

#1
1: Kovalev 10-9
2: Kovalev 10-8 (Ward down)
3: Kovalev 10-9
4: Kovalev 10-9
5: Ward 10-9
6: Kovalev 10-9
7: Ward 10-9
8: Kovalev 10-9
9: Ward 10-9
10: Kovalev 10-9
11: Ward 10-9
12: Ward 10-9
Total score: Kovalev 115-112

Robbery. Kovalev controlled the fight, visibly outlanded Ward, hurt him more, while didn't look bothered himself. Kovalev's rounds were his clearly. Ward's rounds were close.

#2
1: Ward 10-9
2: Kovalev 10-9
3: Kovalev 10-9
4: Ward 10-9
5: Ward 10-9
6: Kovalev 10-9
7: Ward 10-9
8: Ward TKO
Total score before the stoppage: Ward 67-66

Highly disputable bout and a close one before the final round. Kovalev fought like in the 1st meeting. Ward made adjustments. Ward's jab was sharper than before, his right hand was more frequent and powerful, his body work was better, but it was foulish on some occasions indeed. Yes, a lot of shots were borderline, but the last one was clearly low. Even if to count it as legit, the stoppage still sucked, Kovalev should have at least been given a count.

I disagree with your take on their first fight somewhat. I have Ward edging the 3rd and the 8th, giving me a 114-113 to Ward scorecard. When I rewatched it, I had it the same again except I gave Kovalev the 12th, making it 114-113 Kovalev. Definitely way close to call a robbery, except for the 10th round, which was a very clear Kovalev round, yet all three judges scored it for Ward, which is a bit fishy.

[scartissue]

Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward

#1
1: Kovalev 10-9
2: Kovalev 10-8 (Ward down)
3: Kovalev 10-9
4: Kovalev 10-9
5: Ward 10-9
6: Kovalev 10-9
7: Ward 10-9
8: Kovalev 10-9
9: Ward 10-9
10: Kovalev 10-9
11: Ward 10-9
12: Ward 10-9
Total score: Kovalev 115-112

Robbery. Kovalev controlled the fight, visibly outlanded Ward, hurt him more, while didn't look bothered himself. Kovalev's rounds were his clearly. Ward's rounds were close.

#2
1: Ward 10-9
2: Kovalev 10-9
3: Kovalev 10-9
4: Ward 10-9
5: Ward 10-9
6: Kovalev 10-9
7: Ward 10-9
8: Ward TKO
Total score before the stoppage: Ward 67-66

Highly disputable bout and a close one before the final round. Kovalev fought like in the 1st meeting. Ward made adjustments. Ward's jab was sharper than before, his right hand was more frequent and powerful, his body work was better, but it was foulish on some occasions indeed. Yes, a lot of shots were borderline, but the last one was clearly low. Even if to count it as legit, the stoppage still sucked, Kovalev should have at least been given a count.

I disagree with your take on their first fight somewhat. I have Ward edging the 3rd and the 8th, giving me a 114-113 to Ward scorecard. When I rewatched it, I had it the same again except I gave Kovalev the 12th, making it 114-113 Kovalev. Definitely way close to call a robbery, except for the 10th round, which was a very clear Kovalev round, yet all three judges scored it for Ward, which is a bit fishy.

For what it's worth, here's my card. Just a very close fight, which I believe people will argue about for decades.

Sergey Kovalev v Andre Ward

Round 1: 10-9 Kovalev
Round 2: 10-8 Kovalev (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Kovalev
Round 5: 10-9 Ward
Round 6: 10-9 Kovalev
Round 7: 10-9 Ward
Round 8: 10-9 Ward
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Kovalev
Round 11: 10-9 Ward
Round 12: 10-9 Ward

Total: 115-114 Kovalev (actual scores: 114-113 x 3 for Ward)

[margaret thatcher]

kov won the first fight, these dudes scoring for ward are giving him every benefit of the doubt and then some


ward bossed him in the redo though, broke his heart and his balls

[jezzamundo]

kov won the first fight, these dudes scoring for ward are giving him every benefit of the doubt and then some


ward bossed him in the redo though, broke his heart and his balls

Again, I think it's too close and could reasonably go either way. Kovalev won his rounds more clearly, but he only clearly won rounds 1, 2, 4, 6 and 10. I was rooting for Kovalev, but still gave Ward all of the close rounds on my first viewing.

[margaret thatcher]

dat every benefit

[DrDuke]

George Foreman vs Axel Schulz

1: Schulz 10-9
2: Foreman 10-9
3: Schulz 10-9
4: Schulz 10-9
5: Schulz 10-9
6: Schulz 10-9
7: Schulz 10-9
8: Schulz 10-9
9: Schulz 10-9
10: Schulz 10-9
11: Foreman 10-9
12: Schulz 10-9

Total: Schulz 118-110

A big robbery. Slow George was walking onto Schulz' punches all night long. Punchstats provided some nonsense.

[DrDuke]

Axel Schulz vs Michael Moorer

1: Moorer 10-9
2: Moorer 10-9
3: Schulz 10-9
4: Schulz 10-9
5: Moorer 10-9
6: Moorer 10-9
7: Moorer 10-9
8: Moorer 10-9
9: Schulz 10-9
10: Moorer 10-9
11: Moorer 10-9
12: Schulz 10-9

Total: Moorer 116-112

A competetive tactical fight. Both had their moments of landing good power punches, but the thing is, Schulz barely threw a jab, while Moorer was always using it and often effectively.

[scartissue]

Doc, you might want to check this one out.

Michael Moorer v Frans Botha

Round 1: 10-9 Botha
Round 2: 10-9 Moorer
Round 3: 10-9 Moorer
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Moorer
Round 6: 10-9 Botha
Round 7: 10-9 Botha
Round 8: 10-9 Moorer
Round 9: 10-9 Moorer
Round 10: 10-9 Moorer
Round 11: 10-7 Moorer (Moorer drops Botha twice)
Round 12: Moorer stops Botha

Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-101 Moorer (actual scores: 106-100 and 106-100 again, both for Moorer and a 104-103 for Botha)

Before I start ranting on what a ridiculous call that last one was I should say in fairness to a veteran judge that there was a fine line on many rounds between Botha's big, wild thumps and Moorer's more refined punching. I personally preferred his cleaner sharper blows to Botha's big slaps that Moorer picked off many of. The fight was decent for a heavyweight fight and I got to see some of Teddy Atlas' ranting between rounds. I do see why he always needed to do that with Moorer. Man, he was like a Joe Bugner-type. You needed to set a fire under his stool to get him going.

[DrDuke]

Doc, you might want to check this one out.

Michael Moorer v Frans Botha

Round 1: 10-9 Botha
Round 2: 10-9 Moorer
Round 3: 10-9 Moorer
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Moorer
Round 6: 10-9 Botha
Round 7: 10-9 Botha
Round 8: 10-9 Moorer
Round 9: 10-9 Moorer
Round 10: 10-9 Moorer
Round 11: 10-7 Moorer (Moorer drops Botha twice)
Round 12: Moorer stops Botha

Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-101 Moorer (actual scores: 106-100 and 106-100 again, both for Moorer and a 104-103 for Botha)

Before I start ranting on what a ridiculous call that last one was I should say in fairness to a veteran judge that there was a fine line on many rounds between Botha's big, wild thumps and Moorer's more refined punching. I personally preferred his cleaner sharper blows to Botha's big slaps that Moorer picked off many of. The fight was decent for a heavyweight fight and I got to see some of Teddy Atlas' ranting between rounds. I do see why he always needed to do that with Moorer. Man, he was like a Joe Bugner-type. You needed to set a fire under his stool to get him going.

A fun fight, I had the general impression similar to your score, yet I didn't register it, since the lead by Moorer had been clear and Michael had won by the stoppage in the end.

[hhaehre]

The fight was decent for a heavyweight fight and I got to see some of Teddy Atlas' ranting between rounds. I do see why he always needed to do that with Moorer. Man, he was like a Joe Bugner-type. You needed to set a fire under his stool to get him going.

Moorer wasn't so much like that before he got Atlas as a trainer. Teddy has to be one of the most overrated trainers of all time and a certified nut job of the highest order to boot.

[DrDuke]

Marcelo Fabian Dominguez vs Sergey Kobozev, for the WBC Interim Cruiserweight strap, 24 Oct 1995.

1: Dominguez 10-9
2: Kobozev 10-9
3: Dominguez 10-9 (Kobozev was down early, but finished the round strong)
4: Dominguez 10-8 (Kobozev was down again)
5: Kobozev 10-9
6: Kobozev 10-9
7: Dominguez 10-9
8: Dominguez 10-9
9: Kobozev 10-9
10: Dominguez 10-9
11: Kobozev 10-9
12: Kobozev 10-9

Total: Dominguez 114-113

Official: Bob Logist 115-113 and Dalby Shirley 116-113 for Dominguez, Franz Marti 116-115 for Kobozev.

A nice and underrated fight from the era and division, which nobody cared about back in the day. Two limited fighters put on an action-packed showdown. Kobozev was an aggressor and he was making this fight, but he was often opened for counters of Dominguez, who was fatter and slower, but wasn't afraid to fight back and had enough of timing abilities. Kobozev probably edged this a bit, but he suffered two knockdowns, which definitely cost him a fight. The first one was in a round, which Sergey won clearly. The second one was in a closer round, but it was quite arguable, as Dominguez didn't hit clean then, while Kobozev seemed to be out of balance. After both KDs Sergey didn't really look hurt. There were a lot of hot exchanges in this bout. The 11th round was pretty intense. The rematch could be nice too. It's tragic, that Kobozev ended up like that after the fight.

[elmersalsa]

Wilfredo Gomez vs Rocky Lockridge

1: Lockridge 10-9
2: Lockridge 10-9
3: Gomez 10-9
4: Lockridge 10-9
5: Lockridge 10-9
6: Lockridge 10-9
7: Lockridge 10-9
8: Lockridge 10-9
9: Lockridge 10-9
10: Lockridge 10-9
11: Gomez 10-9
12: Gomez 10-9
13: Gomez 10-9
14: Gomez 10-9
15: Gomez 10-9

Total: Lockridge 144-141

A big robbery. It was competetive, but the outcome was clear. It was just a hometown dec for Gomez. The fight started as a slugfest, but Rocky was edgeing and by the middle of the bout it became utterly one-sided. Gomez looked ready to go at some points. Somehow in the last third of the distance Gomez found the second wind, while Lockridge tired, but Wilfredo was simply too late.

I saw the fight. There's no way outside of San Juan, Puerto Rico that Rocky Lockridge would have lost his crown. He was robbed big time!!!

Now that was a robbery unlike the great Eusebio Pedroza fight in which Pedroza won outright.

[DrDuke]

Orzubek Nazarov vs Jean Baptiste Mendy

1: Mendy 10-9
2: Nazarov 10-9
3: Nazarov 10-9
4: Nazarov 10-9
5: Nazarov 10-9
6: 9-9 (Nazarov unfairly deducted a point after an incidental head clash)
7: Nazarov 10-9
8: Nazarov 10-9
9: Nazarov 10-9
10: Nazarov 10-9
11: Mendy 10-9
12: 9-9 (Nazarov again unfairly deducted a point after an incidental head clash)

Total: Nazarov 116-110

A one of the worst examples of the hometown judging and refering. Nazarov was effectively coming forward for all the fight. A lot of head clashes occured when Mendy was trying to save himself in clinches. It's interesting, that a one of the judges was Alexis Arguello, with a terrible 118-112 score for Mendy.

[scartissue]

Orzubek Nazarov vs Jean Baptiste Mendy

1: Mendy 10-9
2: Nazarov 10-9
3: Nazarov 10-9
4: Nazarov 10-9
5: Nazarov 10-9
6: 9-9 (Nazarov unfairly deducted a point after an incidental head clash)
7: Nazarov 10-9
8: Nazarov 10-9
9: Nazarov 10-9
10: Nazarov 10-9
11: Mendy 10-9
12: 9-9 (Nazarov again unfairly deducted a point after an incidental head clash)

Total: Nazarov 116-110

A one of the worst examples of the hometown judging and refering. Nazarov was effectively coming forward for all the fight. A lot of head clashes occured when Mendy was trying to save himself in clinches. It's interesting, that a one of the judges was Alexis Arguello, with a terrible 118-112 score for Mendy.

Orzubek Nazarov v Jean Baptiste Mendy (lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Mendy
Round 4: 10-9 Mendy
Round 5: 10-9 Nazarov
Round 6: 10-9 Nazarov
Round 7: 10-9 Mendy (scored it Even, but point deduction on Nazarov for headbutt)
Round 8: 10-9 Mendy
Round 9: 10-9 Nazarov
Round 10: 10-9 Mendy
Round 11: 10-9 Mendy
Round 12: 9-9 Even (scored for Nazarov but another point deduction for head use)

Total: 116-113 Mendy

(actual scores: 116-112, 118-112 and 116-111 all for Mendy)

[dmckenzie]

Deary me lads, you've let this thread fall into disrepair

Mando Ramos vs Sugar Ramos

Mando
Mando
Mando
Mando
Mando
Mando
Sugar
Sugar
Mando
Mando

98-92 Mando Ramos

[dmckenzie]

Buchanan
Laguna
Laguna
Laguna
Buchanan
Laguna
Laguna
Buchanan
Buchanan
Buchanan
Laguna
Buchanan
Buchanan
Buchanan
Buchanan

144-141 Ken Buchanan

[scartissue]

Deary me lads, you've let this thread fall into disrepair

Mando Ramos vs Sugar Ramos

Mando
Mando
Mando
Mando
Mando
Mando
Sugar
Sugar
Mando
Mando

98-92 Mando Ramos

dmckenzie, totally love this fight. A real go-to when you want to see a war. I had it a bit closer than you, but here we go. California scoring in effect. 1 point for a winner of the round, an additional point if a knockdown is scored and no points for an even round.

Round 1: Mando
Round 2: Mando
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Sugar
Round 5: Mando
Round 6: Mando
Round 7: Sugar
Round 8: Sugar
Round 9: Sugar
Round 10: Mando

Total: 5-4 Mando Ramos (actual scores: 7-6 Mando, 5-4 Mando and 5-4 Sugar for a split win for Mando)

From rounds 3 to the end there is only minimal commentary due to the west coast TV station having to switch to the news and they would comment only sporadically. Again, what a war!

[davie]

Arguello vs Hernandez

1. Arguello
2. Hernandez
3. Hernandez
4. Arguello
5. Arguello
6. Arguello
7. Arguello
8. TKO Alexis Arguello

[scartissue]

Arguello vs Hernandez

1. Arguello
2. Hernandez
3. Hernandez
4. Arguello
5. Arguello
6. Arguello
7. Arguello
8. TKO Alexis Arguello

Davie, Arguello is without a doubt one of the most patient fighters I've ever seen.

Alexis Arguello v Lionel Hernandez (featherweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
Round 3: 10-9 Hernandez
Round 4: 10-9 Arguello
Round 5: 10-9 Arguello
Round 6: 10-9 Arguello
Round 7: 10-9 Arguello
Round 8: Arguello drops Hernandez and the referee intervenes on Arguello's followup

Total through 7 completed rounds: 69-65 Arguello

Arguello is as methodical as ever. His jab is popping all night and by the 8th Hernandez is cut on the right eye and badly swollen on the left, before Arguello shifts to the next gear. Always a joy to watch.

[davie]

Arguello vs Hernandez

1. Arguello
2. Hernandez
3. Hernandez
4. Arguello
5. Arguello
6. Arguello
7. Arguello
8. TKO Alexis Arguello

Davie, Arguello is without a doubt one of the most patient fighters I've ever seen.

Alexis Arguello v Lionel Hernandez (featherweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
Round 3: 10-9 Hernandez
Round 4: 10-9 Arguello
Round 5: 10-9 Arguello
Round 6: 10-9 Arguello
Round 7: 10-9 Arguello
Round 8: Arguello drops Hernandez and the referee intervenes on Arguello's followup

Total through 7 completed rounds: 69-65 Arguello

Arguello is as methodical as ever. His jab is popping all night and by the 8th Hernandez is cut on the right eye and badly swollen on the left, before Arguello shifts to the next gear. Always a joy to watch.

There's something that always amazes me watching him, he's really quite a slow puncher but still manages to be very accurate. Of course he has that reach over most fighter and his judgement of where the target is going to be must be fantastic. He's got one of those style where I just can't think of anyone who looked like that, or certainly not at the very elite level.

And as you say, very patient. Hernandez had some attributes that gave him something to think about but he just stuck to the task and you know that 99 times out of a hundred those long jabs or reaching left hooks to the body will start to break down his opponent.

[gilgamesh]

George Foreman vs Axel Schulz

Round 1: Foreman
Round 2: Foreman
Round 3: Schulz
Round 4: Schulz
Round 5: Schulz
Round 6: Foreman
Round 7: Schulz
Round 8: Schulz
Round 9: Foreman
Round 10: Schulz
Round 11: Foreman
Round 12: Schulz

115-113 Schulz

Not a robbery necessarily as Foreman definitely landed the heavier punches throughout the bout, but Schulz just worked harder, and in my opinion deserved the fight.