Joe Joyce: What’s next?

[jamesmcdonnell]

The problem for Joyce is that his aura of invincibilty is gone, and nobody seems more aware of that than Joyce himself.

He threw almost nothing against Zhang, he looked gunshy and ineffective - when you're chin's been cracked, and you no longer have confidence in it, and you have no head movement, and a porous defence, all I see in his future is some pretty bad beatings.

Of course there are guys he can still beat, but he's never going to be the same fighter after those two back to back losses, he could write off the 1st as bad luck because of the swelling, but that second one, he was outclassed and battered senseless.

I hope he's made enough money to quit, because he's a likable guy, and it would be sad to see his career end with several bad losses, and the potential damage to his health.

[stevec@france]

the problem is JJ thinks he can get a title shot ....

Not unreasonable to think he can get a mandatory shot at whoever is champ.

I wud be amazed if he gets it after two awful goes vs zhang .

Not seeing where the interest is for any of the elite who are chasing other prizes .

[tonyevs]

If Joyce can reinvent himself away from relying on the silly belief he can take any punch and just wear people down then there is still hope fot him.

In the second Zhang fight Joyce just stuck to a game plan of right glove up around his face to protect the eye against Zhang's straight left and move to his left. ... but in the 2nd round Zhang just stepped on Joyce's lead foot to stop him, and easily out manoeuvred Joyce ... he came out for the 3rd knowing he was fkd.

[goose 5]

I can't see Joyce having any impact in the future-he should retire is my frank opinion. However, I suspect he'll fight again; a couple of easy wins and then he gets fed to someone who beats him.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Is he still under contract with Frank?

[rhino222]

I feel that Joyce should forget about ever winning a world title, its simply not going to happen.

If i were him i would push for a British title fight and try and win the belt outright. He will have a nice trinket to show for his efforts because now it looks like the british or european titles are his everest.

but thats ok, no shame in that.

[JamesPhilips]

Personally I’d like to see a trilogy with Zhang…… and then a fourth fight so they can beat Tyson’s Chisora trilogy…..this time all fights would be for the title…..

[bripez]

Is he still under contract with Frank?

I qas going to ask thst - Frank used to have a clause in the contract that 2 consecutive losses would end the contract.

Either way, it sounds as though Frank has no intention of investing any time, effort or money into Joyce so he may as well become a free agent and have a couple of fights with contenders for the most money, without the need for his own promoter as nobody will take him on as a project at his age.

[Joson]

The problem isn't so much that he lost the rematch. It's more about the way he lost.

When Zhang turned up the heat in round two, Joyce was rocked and battered, and didn't have a viable "plan B." And then the brutal, one punch KO ending. That awful moment may define Joyce's entire career, at least as far as the public is concerned.

IMO, the only way Joyce regains good graces with his promoter and the TV honchos is if he can somehow rebuild his popularity with the public. Maybe he could accomplish that in the UK market if he impressively wins the European, British, and UK trinkets.

If UK fans are wildly enthusiastic about Joyce in the future, and he's on a decent winning streak, then a world champion or top contender could be enticed to come to London for a big money fight. That means he'd have regained the position he had before meeting Zhang.

I remember reading about Henry Cooper's career, including his back-to-back losses and brutal KO defeats to higher ranked boxers. But in spite of this, Cooper's popularity with the British fans was unlimited. Maybe Joyce can still achieve something like that.

[gregregegg]

Retire or try fight orthodox opponents only. And probably avoid real bangers.

[funso banjo baby]

Joyce`s record was superb but I'm glad he's finished....his style was so ridiculous. I've never seen punching so slow. I'm staggered at some of his wins.

[dookus]

Retire for his own good

[Finkel]

The problem isn't so much that he lost the rematch. It's more about the way he lost.

When Zhang turned up the heat in round two, Joyce was rocked and battered, and didn't have a viable "plan B." And then the brutal, one punch KO ending. That awful moment may define Joyce's entire career, at least as far as the public is concerned.

IMO, the only way Joyce regains good graces with his promoter and the TV honchos is if he can somehow rebuild his popularity with the public. Maybe he could accomplish that in the UK market if he impressively wins the European, British, and UK trinkets.

If UK fans are wildly enthusiastic about Joyce in the future, and he's on a decent winning streak, then a world champion or top contender could be enticed to come to London for a big money fight. That means he'd have regained the position he had before meeting Zhang.

I remember reading about Henry Cooper's career, including his back-to-back losses and brutal KO defeats to higher ranked boxers. But in spite of this, Cooper's popularity with the British fans was unlimited. Maybe Joyce can still achieve something like that.

I'd like to see it, but he might have burnt some bridges along the way. He held the British title for 2 years and didn't defend it. He got stripped by the EBU as well.

I hope he can come again. The problem is if his own promoter is unlikely to invest in him now, where does he go from here.

[Giancarlo]

Joe Joyce: “I Can Rebuild and Come Back, It Wasn’t a Grueling Fight”

"I'm going to [take] a bit of time and go on holiday before I reflect and review where I went wrong," ‘The Juggernaut’ said in an interview with iFL TV immediately after slipping to 15-2 with 14 quick finishes on Saturday night.

"I'm feeling good, I'm feeling okay and it's not the end of the world.

“I can rebuild and come back. After all, I’ve had harder, more challenging spars, it wasn’t a grueling fight.”

"I still feel fresh,” he continued, “and that I can do some more sparring and rounds.

“I’m feeling okay. I'll just have to lick my wounds and come back stronger, but I’ll probably have to go another route now.”

Joe gets knocked senseless in sparring sessions?

I guess that's possible given he uses his face to block a much high percentage of shots than most fighters with a winning record.

I like Joe as a person. I'd like to see him retire. Sure, they can find some lads he can beat. So what? Even in winning against average fellows he usually takes too many flush shots for my liking.

[SeanBrennan]

Shane Mcguigan one of the few sources of sense on this issue.

Joe lost to one person. Albeit twice. He got up but wasn't in a state to continue.

He can carry on and will do. The likes of Bellew saying he won't beat Wardley are nonsensical.

[Coco]

Shane Mcguigan one of the few sources of sense on this issue.

Joe lost to one person. Albeit twice. He got up but wasn't in a state to continue.

He can carry on and will do. The likes of Bellew saying he won't beat Wardley are nonsensical.

McGuigan is touting for work

[SeanBrennan]

Shane Mcguigan one of the few sources of sense on this issue.

Joe lost to one person. Albeit twice. He got up but wasn't in a state to continue.

He can carry on and will do. The likes of Bellew saying he won't beat Wardley are nonsensical.

McGuigan is touting for work

good approach from a trainer

[Redback Rasta]

Joyce really needs a knock-over next up and then revaluate.

[JamesPhilips]

Joyce really needs a knock-over next up and then revaluate.

In heavyweight boxing you’re only one win away from a big fight. Look at Jesse Ferguson. In fact you don’t even need a win sometimes, Andrew Golota had lost his last 2 before he got a shot against Lewis.

Chisora had one undeserved split decision win out of his last 4 with 3 losses and still fought Tyson Fury for the title.

Joe could easily get a big fight without a tune up, at his age he hasn’t time on his side. He certainly could get a big British fight against an up and comer or some lame fight against Chisora or Whyte (in Saudi lol)

Joe vs Dubois would be easily sellable despite, or possibly because of, both coming off losses…..losses to top world class fighters

[Frostieballs]

Joyce really needs a knock-over next up and then revaluate.

In heavyweight boxing you’re only one win away from a big fight. Look at Jesse Ferguson. In fact you don’t even need a win sometimes, Andrew Golota had lost his last 2 before he got a shot against Lewis.

Chisora had one undeserved split decision win out of his last 4 with 3 losses and still fought Tyson Fury for the title.

Joe could easily get a big fight without a tune up, at his age he hasn’t time on his side. He certainly could get a big British fight against an up and comer or some lame fight against Chisora or Whyte (in Saudi lol)

Joe vs Dubois would be easily sellable despite, or possibly because of, both coming off losses…..losses to top world class fighters

I think it will be Chisora next as a ‘rebuild’.

Then Parker and Dubois rematches.

[TheLeprechaun]

Shane Mcguigan one of the few sources of sense on this issue.

Joe lost to one person. Albeit twice. He got up but wasn't in a state to continue.

He can carry on and will do. The likes of Bellew saying he won't beat Wardley are nonsensical.

McGuigan is touting for work

Exactly, literally all of these boxing interviews are an exercise in self-aggrandisement, touting and narcissism.

[JamesPhilips]

Joyce really needs a knock-over next up and then revaluate.

In heavyweight boxing you’re only one win away from a big fight. Look at Jesse Ferguson. In fact you don’t even need a win sometimes, Andrew Golota had lost his last 2 before he got a shot against Lewis.

Chisora had one undeserved split decision win out of his last 4 with 3 losses and still fought Tyson Fury for the title.

Joe could easily get a big fight without a tune up, at his age he hasn’t time on his side. He certainly could get a big British fight against an up and comer or some lame fight against Chisora or Whyte (in Saudi lol)

Joe vs Dubois would be easily sellable despite, or possibly because of, both coming off losses…..losses to top world class fighters

I think it will be Chisora next as a ‘rebuild’.

Then Parker and Dubois rematches.

That’s acceptable I guess. Not interested in the Parker rematch though

[margaret thatcher]

chisora vs joyce would be a slobberknocker, let's see it. dont need world elites for a good fight

[gilgamesh]

chisora vs joyce would be a slobberknocker, let's see it. dont need world elites for a good fight

Especially when the guy at the very top would rather talk about what he's gonna do than do it.

[Muttley]

The problem for Joyce is that his aura of invincibilty is gone, and nobody seems more aware of that than Joyce himself.

He threw almost nothing against Zhang, he looked gunshy and ineffective - when you're chin's been cracked, and you no longer have confidence in it, and you have no head movement, and a porous defence, all I see in his future is some pretty bad beatings.

Of course there are guys he can still beat, but he's never going to be the same fighter after those two back to back losses, he could write off the 1st as bad luck because of the swelling, but that second one, he was outclassed and battered senseless.

I hope he's made enough money to quit, because he's a likable guy, and it would be sad to see his career end with several bad losses, and the potential damage to his health.

I agree. I'd like to see Joe retire now healthy,happy and wealthy. As you said,Joe trades on toughness and durability. Sadly,that trait has now disappeared.