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big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 03:45
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 03:41
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 17:09

If its such a disgrace why I's his son fighting him


What a joke.
He did offer the fight for the WBC title to Joshua who wasn’t interested. You falsely claimed that Joshua had another fight signed.
Worth remembering that Joshua did agree to face Fury previously. Fury agreed to face Joshua too, only to pull out and box Wilder for a third time.
He was ordered to by a Court as you well know.
Joshua has turned down 2 WBC title fights in 9 months against Fury. Instead of ignoring this again can you at least admit that you are disappointed in him?
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MasterG wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:04 At what point according to rules of WBC Fury has to make a defence? Without looking at his record not sure when he made his last defence but surely he has to defend it at some point. What is the ruling on title defence, has Fury obliged that rule?
His last mandatory was April 2022 against Whyte,.

WBC are not known to order mandatories though.

They let boxers piss on them.
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BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:13
big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 03:45
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 03:41

He did offer the fight for the WBC title to Joshua who wasn’t interested. You falsely claimed that Joshua had another fight signed.
Worth remembering that Joshua did agree to face Fury previously. Fury agreed to face Joshua too, only to pull out and box Wilder for a third time.
He was ordered to by a Court as you well know.
Joshua has turned down 2 WBC title fights in 9 months against Fury. Instead of ignoring this again can you at least admit that you are disappointed in him?
They just didn't agree terms, like when Fury turned down Joshua previous to that. Are you related to Fury or something?
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Frostieballs wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 18:09
SeanBrennan wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 16:46 so is this not a proper sanctioned fight on any sanctioning body?
No Sean. It isn’t.

It isn’t any kind of fight. It’s an exhibition.
It’s funny all over the Facebook on the Micky Mouse boxing pages, which seem rammed with noobs and stooges, they are shouting that it definitely is a sanctioned bout and Usyk is next! It’s seems to basically be an endless cycle of nonsense PR to get idiots to buy into all this.
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MasterG wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:04 At what point according to rules of WBC Fury has to make a defence? Without looking at his record not sure when he made his last defence but surely he has to defend it at some point. What is the ruling on title defence, has Fury obliged that rule?
At the point at which they realise they aren't making enough sanctioning fees, they will strip him. That time must be coming soon, if he doesn't start defending his titles, preferably against big names that generate a lot of revenue.,
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:49
MasterG wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:04 At what point according to rules of WBC Fury has to make a defence? Without looking at his record not sure when he made his last defence but surely he has to defend it at some point. What is the ruling on title defence, has Fury obliged that rule?
At the point at which they realise they aren't making enough sanctioning fees, they will strip him. That time must be coming soon, if he doesn't start defending his titles, preferably against big names that generate a lot of revenue.,
If their face fits, the WBC backs it's champions. Look at the farce around Whyte's mandatory.
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WBC rules (see below), say champions must defend the title if they fight in their own weight class. That's why JC Chavez has so many non-title fights just above his weight division. Because Fury's a heavyweight, he can't do that, so that's why this isn't sanctioned.

i. A WBC champion must always defend his WBC title if he fights in the same weight class
division. Otherwise, the Champion agrees to relinquish his title;

ii. The WBC Board of Governors, with a majority voting, may grant special authorization to
allow a WBC champion to engage in a non title 10 or 12 round bout. Sanction fees are
applicable, pursuant to Rule 7;
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jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 05:13 WBC rules (see below), say champions must defend the title if they fight in their own weight class. That's why JC Chavez has so many non-title fights just above his weight division. Because Fury's a heavyweight, he can't do that, so that's why this isn't sanctioned.

i. A WBC champion must always defend his WBC title if he fights in the same weight class
division. Otherwise, the Champion agrees to relinquish his title;

ii. The WBC Board of Governors, with a majority voting, may grant special authorization to
allow a WBC champion to engage in a non title 10 or 12 round bout. Sanction fees are
applicable, pursuant to Rule 7;
It’s not sanctioned because no governing body in their right mind would allow a debutante to fight a world champion!
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Frostieballs wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 06:00
jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 05:13 WBC rules (see below), say champions must defend the title if they fight in their own weight class. That's why JC Chavez has so many non-title fights just above his weight division. Because Fury's a heavyweight, he can't do that, so that's why this isn't sanctioned.

i. A WBC champion must always defend his WBC title if he fights in the same weight class
division. Otherwise, the Champion agrees to relinquish his title;

ii. The WBC Board of Governors, with a majority voting, may grant special authorization to
allow a WBC champion to engage in a non title 10 or 12 round bout. Sanction fees are
applicable, pursuant to Rule 7;
It’s not sanctioned because no governing body in their right mind would allow a debutante to fight a world champion!
You'd think that, but Mayweather-McGregor was sanctioned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission and appears on both their records.
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jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 06:06
Frostieballs wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 06:00
jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 05:13 WBC rules (see below), say champions must defend the title if they fight in their own weight class. That's why JC Chavez has so many non-title fights just above his weight division. Because Fury's a heavyweight, he can't do that, so that's why this isn't sanctioned.

i. A WBC champion must always defend his WBC title if he fights in the same weight class
division. Otherwise, the Champion agrees to relinquish his title;

ii. The WBC Board of Governors, with a majority voting, may grant special authorization to
allow a WBC champion to engage in a non title 10 or 12 round bout. Sanction fees are
applicable, pursuant to Rule 7;
It’s not sanctioned because no governing body in their right mind would allow a debutante to fight a world champion!
You'd think that, but Mayweather-McGregor was sanctioned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission and appears on both their records.
True that. At least McGregor could hold his hands up.

McGregor also didn’t have to worry about upsetting his home governing body. I should imagine if Fury fought in a ‘boxing’ contest against an unsuitable opponent the Board would have something to say. Team Fury might want to fight at home again one day.

I actually think the WBC would at least come up with a belt to put to this if it was a boxing contest. They might well do anyway - some kind of multi discipline belt - even though it’s an exhibition.

They have already made a statement saying they won’t strip him because he tried to make fights (including against Ruiz?) but the opponents turned him down.
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jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:19
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:13
big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 03:45

Worth remembering that Joshua did agree to face Fury previously. Fury agreed to face Joshua too, only to pull out and box Wilder for a third time.
He was ordered to by a Court as you well know.
Joshua has turned down 2 WBC title fights in 9 months against Fury. Instead of ignoring this again can you at least admit that you are disappointed in him?
They just didn't agree terms, like when Fury turned down Joshua previous to that. Are you related to Fury or something?
Joshua has no excuse for not fighting Fury for the WBC title last month. Big Lennox and the Knitting Circle are in denial.
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jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 06:06
Frostieballs wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 06:00
jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 05:13 WBC rules (see below), say champions must defend the title if they fight in their own weight class. That's why JC Chavez has so many non-title fights just above his weight division. Because Fury's a heavyweight, he can't do that, so that's why this isn't sanctioned.

i. A WBC champion must always defend his WBC title if he fights in the same weight class
division. Otherwise, the Champion agrees to relinquish his title;

ii. The WBC Board of Governors, with a majority voting, may grant special authorization to
allow a WBC champion to engage in a non title 10 or 12 round bout. Sanction fees are
applicable, pursuant to Rule 7;
It’s not sanctioned because no governing body in their right mind would allow a debutante to fight a world champion!
You'd think that, but Mayweather-McGregor was sanctioned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission and appears on both their records.
That's a good point.

No way it should have been though.
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BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:14
jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:19
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:13

He was ordered to by a Court as you well know.
Joshua has turned down 2 WBC title fights in 9 months against Fury. Instead of ignoring this again can you at least admit that you are disappointed in him?
They just didn't agree terms, like when Fury turned down Joshua previous to that. Are you related to Fury or something?
Joshua has no excuse for not fighting Fury for the WBC title last month. Big Lennox and the Knitting Circle are in denial.
Fury wasn't able to fight in April.
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BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:14
jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:19
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:13

He was ordered to by a Court as you well know.
Joshua has turned down 2 WBC title fights in 9 months against Fury. Instead of ignoring this again can you at least admit that you are disappointed in him?
They just didn't agree terms, like when Fury turned down Joshua previous to that. Are you related to Fury or something?
Joshua has no excuse for not fighting Fury for the WBC title last month. Big Lennox and the Knitting Circle are in denial.

Joshua probably couldn't be bothered to have his time wasted again, having set up a fight with Fury before, only for Fury to pull out at the 11th hour and fight Wilder again. Can't blame Joshua.
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BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:13
big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 03:45
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 03:41

He did offer the fight for the WBC title to Joshua who wasn’t interested. You falsely claimed that Joshua had another fight signed.
Worth remembering that Joshua did agree to face Fury previously. Fury agreed to face Joshua too, only to pull out and box Wilder for a third time.
He was ordered to by a Court as you well know.
Joshua has turned down 2 WBC title fights in 9 months against Fury. Instead of ignoring this again can you at least admit that you are disappointed in him?
Is Doofy a bot or a moron?

it/he/she just consistently repeats the same nonsense that's been debunked each and every time without seemingly to acknowledge it's pure Fury BS🤣
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big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:42
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:14
jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:19

They just didn't agree terms, like when Fury turned down Joshua previous to that. Are you related to Fury or something?
Joshua has no excuse for not fighting Fury for the WBC title last month. Big Lennox and the Knitting Circle are in denial.

Joshua probably couldn't be bothered to have his time wasted again, having set up a fight with Fury before, only for Fury to pull out at the 11th hour and fight Wilder again. Can't blame Joshua.
Normal boxing fans do blame Joshua. The Knitting Circle were happy that he boxed Helenius instead of losing for the 4th time.
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tonyevs wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:47
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:13
big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 03:45

Worth remembering that Joshua did agree to face Fury previously. Fury agreed to face Joshua too, only to pull out and box Wilder for a third time.
He was ordered to by a Court as you well know.
Joshua has turned down 2 WBC title fights in 9 months against Fury. Instead of ignoring this again can you at least admit that you are disappointed in him?
Is Doofy a bot or a moron?

it/he/she just consistently repeats the same nonsense that's been debunked each and every time without seemingly to acknowledge it's pure Fury BS🤣
What excuse has Joshua got for not fighting for the WBC title last month?
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jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:40
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:14
jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 04:19

They just didn't agree terms, like when Fury turned down Joshua previous to that. Are you related to Fury or something?
Joshua has no excuse for not fighting Fury for the WBC title last month. Big Lennox and the Knitting Circle are in denial.
Fury wasn't able to fight in April.
That’s your opinion along with Fury won’t sign for Usyk.
What is Joshua’s excuse for not fighting for the WBC title last month?
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BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 08:57
jwfg wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:40
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:14

Joshua has no excuse for not fighting Fury for the WBC title last month. Big Lennox and the Knitting Circle are in denial.
Fury wasn't able to fight in April.
That’s your opinion along with Fury won’t sign for Usyk.
What is Joshua’s excuse for not fighting for the WBC title last month?
The two sides couldn't agree terms. That's how fights get made, if you didn't know. Joshua is planning his own career and has fought twice this year.

Here are questions, which I know you won't answer.

Why doesn't Fury have a BBBofC licence?
Why did Fury never attend a hearing when he was banned?
What kind of testing does Fury have for the Ngannou fight?
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BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 08:54
big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:42
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:14

Joshua has no excuse for not fighting Fury for the WBC title last month. Big Lennox and the Knitting Circle are in denial.

Joshua probably couldn't be bothered to have his time wasted again, having set up a fight with Fury before, only for Fury to pull out at the 11th hour and fight Wilder again. Can't blame Joshua.
Normal boxing fans do blame Joshua. The Knitting Circle were happy that he boxed Helenius instead of losing for the 4th time.
I'm not sure that's the case. Listening to fans talk about Fury vs Uysk, they all seem to be saying the same thing: " I will believe it when they are in the ring together".

People have begun to lose faith in his willingness to face the best. Even Rio Ferdinand was quizzing him about it.

Still, hopefully the fight is on and people can forget about Fury bailing on Joshua in favour of Wilder.
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big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 09:14
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 08:54
big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 07:42

Joshua probably couldn't be bothered to have his time wasted again, having set up a fight with Fury before, only for Fury to pull out at the 11th hour and fight Wilder again. Can't blame Joshua.
Normal boxing fans do blame Joshua. The Knitting Circle were happy that he boxed Helenius instead of losing for the 4th time.
I'm not sure that's the case. Listening to fans talk about Fury vs Uysk, they all seem to be saying the same thing: " I will believe it when they are in the ring together".

People have begun to lose faith in his willingness to face the best. Even Rio Ferdinand was quizzing him about it.

Still, hopefully the fight is on and people can forget about Fury bailing on Joshua in favour of Wilder.
You’re waffling on about Fury yet again.
Why did Joshua duck the WBC title last month?
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BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 10:09
big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 09:14
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 08:54
Normal boxing fans do blame Joshua. The Knitting Circle were happy that he boxed Helenius instead of losing for the 4th time.
I'm not sure that's the case. Listening to fans talk about Fury vs Uysk, they all seem to be saying the same thing: " I will believe it when they are in the ring together".

People have begun to lose faith in his willingness to face the best. Even Rio Ferdinand was quizzing him about it.

Still, hopefully the fight is on and people can forget about Fury bailing on Joshua in favour of Wilder.
You’re waffling on about Fury yet again.
Why did Joshua duck the WBC title last month?
Maybe he didn't want to fight a proven drug cheat. Ever thought about that? Two failed tests and counting for your idol. :twisted:
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April 2022. Fury and Ngannou confirm they are fighting each other.
Similar to when Fury confirmed in August 2022 that he was coming out of retirement to fight Dereck Chisora.
All other challenges Fury has thrown out are his usual fake bluster. He already had these fights lined up and gaslit the gullible.

https://x.com/MMAHistoryToday/status/15 ... 72352?s=20
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BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 10:09
big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 09:14
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 08:54
Normal boxing fans do blame Joshua. The Knitting Circle were happy that he boxed Helenius instead of losing for the 4th time.
I'm not sure that's the case. Listening to fans talk about Fury vs Uysk, they all seem to be saying the same thing: " I will believe it when they are in the ring together".

People have begun to lose faith in his willingness to face the best. Even Rio Ferdinand was quizzing him about it.

Still, hopefully the fight is on and people can forget about Fury bailing on Joshua in favour of Wilder.
You’re waffling on about Fury yet again.
Why did Joshua duck the WBC title last month?
Maybe he didn't trust it wouldn't happen even if he agreed. Fury bolted from the agreed fight previously.
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big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 10:49
BigDoofus wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 10:09
big lennox wrote: 02 Oct 2023, 09:14

I'm not sure that's the case. Listening to fans talk about Fury vs Uysk, they all seem to be saying the same thing: " I will believe it when they are in the ring together".

People have begun to lose faith in his willingness to face the best. Even Rio Ferdinand was quizzing him about it.

Still, hopefully the fight is on and people can forget about Fury bailing on Joshua in favour of Wilder.
You’re waffling on about Fury yet again.
Why did Joshua duck the WBC title last month?
Maybe he didn't trust it wouldn't happen even if he agreed. Fury bolted from the agreed fight previously.
He’s on his 8th year of not fighting Wilder and he’s turned down 2 World title fights in 9 months.
How many more years are you going to carry on ignoring it?
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