How would Calzaghe fare against Canelo ?

[JamesPhilips]

Close fight I'd say. I'd favour joe, he's a natural at the weight, but no cakewalk.

Very close fight

Now THAT’S the most sensible post yet

[lookingaround87]

Calzaghe by late stoppage. The speed would be too much. And contrary to what people always believed about JC, he did have power.

Lol don’t be ridiculous Glass Hands Joe Calslappy stopping Canelo who’s never been hurt……

Posters seem to be seriously overrating Joe who was very good but trying to suggest Canelo would be a cake walk is ridiculous. Calzaghe barely beat an ancient Hopkins who put him on the floor plus was beaten by Robin Reid for crushing out Lou’s.

Through activity and speed, yes. Canelo has stamina issues and Calzaghe was at his strongest in the later rounds. He'd overwhelm Canelo and completely dominate him. Who said anything about Canelo getting hurt? I never said he'd KO Canelo (he wouldn't). He'd simply unload on him late after completely dominating him and get a stoppage, or it could possibly get stopped on cuts. You're obviously a casual who doesn't understand the basics of boxing. Begone, child!

Hopkins was old at the time but still had A LOT left. Look what he went on to do after that loss (dominate Pavlik in his comeback which was arguably his greatest win, beat Pascal, Cloud, Murad & Shumenov). Very impressive, for an old man.

[tigermoth87]

Easy fight for Calzaghe, but, even in Cardiff---he's still have to also compete against corrupt judges. Canelo always starts with a 4 round advantage on the cards, and the corruption would still give him a couple of rounds even in Cardiff.

[JamesPhilips]

Calzaghe by late stoppage. The speed would be too much. And contrary to what people always believed about JC, he did have power.

Lol don’t be ridiculous Glass Hands Joe Calslappy stopping Canelo who’s never been hurt……

Posters seem to be seriously overrating Joe who was very good but trying to suggest Canelo would be a cake walk is ridiculous. Calzaghe barely beat an ancient Hopkins who put him on the floor plus was beaten by Robin Reid for crushing out Lou’s.

Through activity and speed, yes. Canelo has stamina issues and Calzaghe was at his strongest in the later rounds. He'd overwhelm Canelo and completely dominate him. Who said anything about Canelo getting hurt? I never said he'd KO Canelo (he wouldn't). He'd simply unload on him late after completely dominating him and get a stoppage, or it could possibly get stopped on cuts. You're obviously a casual who doesn't understand the basics of boxing. Begone, child!

Hopkins was old at the time but still had A LOT left. Look what he went on to do after that loss (dominate Pavlik in his comeback which was arguably his greatest win, beat Pascal, Cloud, Murad & Shumenov). Very impressive, for an old man.

I’m sorry you’ve got some rose tinted spectacles. I’m a BIG Calzaghe fan and seen him fight live. But I’m a realistic one, Joe went the distance with some bums and had bad hands and elbows. He was also dropped by Byron Mitchell, an the ancient Jones and Hopkins. And was likely beaten by the ordinary (in world class) Robin Reid. No way is Canelo a walkover that ends in stoppage. Canelo has never come NEAR to being stopped, not been dropped, and only been hurt as a total youngster against Jose cotto.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Lol don’t be ridiculous Glass Hands Joe Calslappy stopping Canelo who’s never been hurt……

Posters seem to be seriously overrating Joe who was very good but trying to suggest Canelo would be a cake walk is ridiculous. Calzaghe barely beat an ancient Hopkins who put him on the floor plus was beaten by Robin Reid for crushing out Lou’s.

Through activity and speed, yes. Canelo has stamina issues and Calzaghe was at his strongest in the later rounds. He'd overwhelm Canelo and completely dominate him. Who said anything about Canelo getting hurt? I never said he'd KO Canelo (he wouldn't). He'd simply unload on him late after completely dominating him and get a stoppage, or it could possibly get stopped on cuts. You're obviously a casual who doesn't understand the basics of boxing. Begone, child!

Hopkins was old at the time but still had A LOT left. Look what he went on to do after that loss (dominate Pavlik in his comeback which was arguably his greatest win, beat Pascal, Cloud, Murad & Shumenov). Very impressive, for an old man.

I’m sorry you’ve got some rose tinted spectacles. I’m a BIG Calzaghe fan and seen him fight live. But I’m a realistic one, Joe went the distance with some bums and had bad hands and elbows. He was also dropped by Byron Mitchell, an the ancient Jones and Hopkins. And was likely beaten by the ordinary (in world class) Robin Reid. No way is Canelo a walkover that ends in stoppage. Canelo has never come NEAR to being stopped, not been dropped, and only been hurt as a total youngster against Jose cotto.

Yes, talk of Joe destroying Canelo are really quite daft.

Canelo absorbed some big shots from Kovalev, who was an imposing 175 lb fighter, who could still punch even if he was prematurely shot due to his lifestyle.

No chance Calzaghe would be able to do a Lacy on Canelo, Canelo is several levels above lacy - and I don't recally seeing Canelo anywhere near badly hurt, even when taking full blooded shots off GGG.

[tonyevs]

It was an interesting point raised earlier regarding when was Calzaghes peak.

That's a difficult question to answer. It could very well have been those latter years when his hands/elbow were making him fight differently.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Calzaghe by late stoppage. The speed would be too much. And contrary to what people always believed about JC, he did have power.

Lol don’t be ridiculous Glass Hands Joe Calslappy stopping Canelo who’s never been hurt……

Posters seem to be seriously overrating Joe who was very good but trying to suggest Canelo would be a cake walk is ridiculous. Calzaghe barely beat an ancient Hopkins who put him on the floor plus was beaten by Robin Reid for crushing out Lou’s.

Through activity and speed, yes. Canelo has stamina issues and Calzaghe was at his strongest in the later rounds. He'd overwhelm Canelo and completely dominate him. Who said anything about Canelo getting hurt? I never said he'd KO Canelo (he wouldn't). He'd simply unload on him late after completely dominating him and get a stoppage, or it could possibly get stopped on cuts. You're obviously a casual who doesn't understand the basics of boxing. Begone, child!

Hopkins was old at the time but still had A LOT left. Look what he went on to do after that loss (dominate Pavlik in his comeback which was arguably his greatest win, beat Pascal, Cloud, Murad & Shumenov). Very impressive, for an old man.

You're the one sounding like a casual - talking about Canelo getting destroyed - his only losses and contentious fights, were against top draw technical boxers, one of those arguably the greatest pure boxer of all time in Mayweather.

[Boxerbeetle]

Yeah no way does Calzaghe stop Canelo. But I could well see him dominating virtually every round on pure workrate and in/out combinations, exactly how Bivol did it. Honestly just believe Calzaghe’s style would be a total nightmare for Canelo.

[The Docker]

No version of Joe would stop Canelo.

If we assume the judging would take place without unbridled partiality, could easily see Joe taking a decision through workrate via volume of punches.

Canelo could probably then undertake a street fight, as imagine other than some fatigue, he would be nowhere near battle weary from punch absorbance.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yeah no way does Calzaghe stop Canelo. But I could well see him dominating virtually every round on pure workrate and in/out combinations, exactly how Bivol did it. Honestly just believe Calzaghe’s style would be a total nightmare for Canelo.

The thing is though, Calzaghe got hit more than Bivol did, he was always fairly open, it's just that he had such a high workrate that he was able to land way more than he took, and was quick enough to get in and out of range a lot, but he could, and did get hit, and hurt on occasion. He had great powers of recovery, probably as much to do with his incredible engine as anything, I never saw him hurt and not get up and straight back into the fight.,

I am not sure Canelo is a monster puncher enough at 168 to hurt Calzaghe like that, but i think he would have kept him honest.

I'd say Joe sneaks a relatively close win.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Lol don’t be ridiculous Glass Hands Joe Calslappy stopping Canelo who’s never been hurt……

Posters seem to be seriously overrating Joe who was very good but trying to suggest Canelo would be a cake walk is ridiculous. Calzaghe barely beat an ancient Hopkins who put him on the floor plus was beaten by Robin Reid for crushing out Lou’s.

Through activity and speed, yes. Canelo has stamina issues and Calzaghe was at his strongest in the later rounds. He'd overwhelm Canelo and completely dominate him. Who said anything about Canelo getting hurt? I never said he'd KO Canelo (he wouldn't). He'd simply unload on him late after completely dominating him and get a stoppage, or it could possibly get stopped on cuts. You're obviously a casual who doesn't understand the basics of boxing. Begone, child!

Hopkins was old at the time but still had A LOT left. Look what he went on to do after that loss (dominate Pavlik in his comeback which was arguably his greatest win, beat Pascal, Cloud, Murad & Shumenov). Very impressive, for an old man.

You're the one sounding like a casual - talking about Canelo getting destroyed - his only losses and contentious fights, were against top draw technical boxers, one of those arguably the greatest pure boxer of all time in Mayweather.

This poster called me a "moron who knows shit about boxing" in the Zhang v Joyce rematch thread because I made a few posts saying Joe wouldnt be able to make the changes needed for him to win. Needless to say who the real "moron who knows shit about boxing" is now.

[margaret thatcher]

of course canelo wouldnt be stopped

[jamesmcdonnell]

Through activity and speed, yes. Canelo has stamina issues and Calzaghe was at his strongest in the later rounds. He'd overwhelm Canelo and completely dominate him. Who said anything about Canelo getting hurt? I never said he'd KO Canelo (he wouldn't). He'd simply unload on him late after completely dominating him and get a stoppage, or it could possibly get stopped on cuts. You're obviously a casual who doesn't understand the basics of boxing. Begone, child!

Hopkins was old at the time but still had A LOT left. Look what he went on to do after that loss (dominate Pavlik in his comeback which was arguably his greatest win, beat Pascal, Cloud, Murad & Shumenov). Very impressive, for an old man.

You're the one sounding like a casual - talking about Canelo getting destroyed - his only losses and contentious fights, were against top draw technical boxers, one of those arguably the greatest pure boxer of all time in Mayweather.

This poster called me a "moron who knows shit about boxing" in the Zhang v Joyce rematch thread because I made a few posts saying Joe wouldnt be able to make the changes needed for him to win. Needless to say who the real "moron who knows shit about boxing" is now.

Funnily enough, that's exactly what I I said in the thread too, just couldn't see Joyce being able to adapt enough, once Zhang figured out his tactics in the rematch.

Guess I'm one of those casuals too.

[Cask]

Big super middleweight non-stop activity, brilliant feints, can adapt from power punches to point scores, great chin, world class stamina world class workdays and combinations, nightmare style


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93vGUvhY ... 2FsemFnaGU

[NazNaci1]

The thing is though, Calzaghe got hit more than Bivol did, he was always fairly open, it's just that he had such a high workrate that he was able to land way more than he took, and was quick enough to get in and out of range a lot, but he could, and did get hit, and hurt on occasion. He had great powers of recovery, probably as much to do with his incredible engine as anything, I never saw him hurt and not get up and straight back into the fight.,

I am not sure Canelo is a monster puncher enough at 168 to hurt Calzaghe like that, but i think he would have kept him honest.

I'd say Joe sneaks a relatively close win.

Eubank(s) rocked him badly, in the last 15 seconds, to which Joe even admitted, he was seeing stars,....but granted, Canelo's one or two punch combo's would be evaded, in the main and even if they landed, would not have a dramatic effect.

Joe would outwork him in a fairly close UD, I believe.

[SeanBrennan]

Close fight I'd say. I'd favour joe, he's a natural at the weight, but no cakewalk.

Very close fight

I agree with this.

[coneye]

Canelo's raw power would overwhelm Joe , slapsy had speed and skills , capable of beating Canel , but Canelo's raw power , strenght and good timing would wear Joe out , Canelo whilst not being a devastating one punch ko artist , must hit hard with everything he throws ,you would have to say this , simply because everyone he fights he worries ,

For me a better fight harder to call would be Joe and Billy Joe Saunders ,, Calazgie winning though

[Frostieballs]

Canelo's raw power would overwhelm Joe , slapsy had speed and skills , capable of beating Canel , but Canelo's raw power , strenght and good timing would wear Joe out , Canelo whilst not being a devastating one punch ko artist , must hit hard with everything he throws ,you would have to say this , simply because everyone he fights he worries ,

For me a better fight harder to call would be Joe and Billy Joe Saunders ,, Calazgie winning though

I’m not sure Calzaghe and Billy Joe should even occupy the same sentence.

[JamesPhilips]

Yeah no way does Calzaghe stop Canelo. But I could well see him dominating virtually every round on pure workrate and in/out combinations, exactly how Bivol did it. Honestly just believe Calzaghe’s style would be a total nightmare for Canelo.

The thing is though, Calzaghe got hit more than Bivol did, he was always fairly open, it's just that he had such a high workrate that he was able to land way more than he took, and was quick enough to get in and out of range a lot, but he could, and did get hit, and hurt on occasion. He had great powers of recovery, probably as much to do with his incredible engine as anything, I never saw him hurt and not get up and straight back into the fight.,

I am not sure Canelo is a monster puncher enough at 168 to hurt Calzaghe like that, but i think he would have kept him honest.

I'd say Joe sneaks a relatively close win.

And that’s a realistic proposition. And I roll wit it too. All this Calzaghe would outclass, or stop Canelo are just ludicrous. Canelo is hardly a bum…

[Boxerbeetle]

Yeah no way does Calzaghe stop Canelo. But I could well see him dominating virtually every round on pure workrate and in/out combinations, exactly how Bivol did it. Honestly just believe Calzaghe’s style would be a total nightmare for Canelo.

The thing is though, Calzaghe got hit more than Bivol did, he was always fairly open, it's just that he had such a high workrate that he was able to land way more than he took, and was quick enough to get in and out of range a lot, but he could, and did get hit, and hurt on occasion. He had great powers of recovery, probably as much to do with his incredible engine as anything, I never saw him hurt and not get up and straight back into the fight.,

I am not sure Canelo is a monster puncher enough at 168 to hurt Calzaghe like that, but i think he would have kept him honest.

I'd say Joe sneaks a relatively close win.

And that’s a realistic proposition. And I roll wit it too. All this Calzaghe would outclass, or stop Canelo are just ludicrous. Canelo is hardly a bum…

Not a bum, but Floyd and Bivol both made him look pretty silly tbh without any issues whatsoever, Golovkin definitely beat him in the first fight, and there’s a decent argument Lara deserved the decision too. Canelo isn’t the monster he gets made out to be, imo. He’s great at what he does, but has clearly shown that he can be outboxed.

[CaptainSpacerod]

What was Joe’s best win ? Kessler

Styles make fights but levels are important too

[coneye]

What was Joe’s best win ? Kessler

Styles make fights but levels are important too

[Frostieballs]

What was Joe’s best win ? Kessler

Styles make fights but levels are important too

Maybe - but Kessler was a very good fighter.

Beat Froch.

What is Canelo’s best?

[Redback Rasta]

Intriguing battle of styles. Chalk and cheese. Calzaghe would obviously outwork Canelo and bank rounds but could he avoid getting tagged and then stopped?

[The Gratest]

These were/are both fighters who can adapt mid-fight and adjust to figure out opponents. Something that separates the top level fighters from the next level down.
I'd be inclined to favour Calzaghe due to his natural size, but one of his hardest fights was against Reid who has a very similar stature to Canelo. Reid was bouncing right hands off Calzaghe's head in what proved to be a much harder fight than expected. Reid was rough and ready in that fight though, and that approach might work better against Calzaghe than the more measured approach that Canelo would probably bring. His win over Lacy was brilliant, but also appeared to expose Lacy as being a bit of a one dimensional banger. He's not comparable to Canelo.

I don't see a stoppage in this one due to Canelo's tight defensive skills (he does have great movement to slip punches) and Calzaghe's chin. I rewatched his win over Byron Mitchell the other night and that punch he took would've left most unable to continue. Instead, he got back up, fought fire with fire, and took Mitchell out. He was a dangerous fighter when tagged and I could see one (or a few) of Canelo's overhand rights landing, possibly a flash knockdown.

I don't really see any weaknesses exposed in Canelo with the Mayweather and Bivol defeats. The first was against an ATG with sublime skills. The latter against a bigger technician with very good fundamentals that knew what he had to do to beat Canelo, stylistically wrong.

I think it would be similar to Canelo's fights against GGG. Very close rounds, unable to separate two top level fighters and either a majority decision one way (possibly Calzaghe on workrate) or, if in Vegas, 119-111 UD Canelo.