Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023

[Ruthless-RKO]

[lazboy]

Well I doubt he’ll be ready for Usyk in December. That fight won’t happen, surely.

[Evander]

Pre fight show went on too long.
It was all a bit over the top which isn't bad, but I'd use those resources better.
I wasn't really scoring it, it was one of those fights.
The knock down would have made it close on the cards from what I saw, but not enough to convince me it did enough for Ngannou to win.

[Cent0089]

LOL that was unexcusable. Fury should rematch Ngannou in proper 12 rounds fight. If he cannot beat him decisively, retire.

[Evander]

I think it's onto Fury v Joshua.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Well I doubt he’ll be ready for Usyk in December. That fight won’t happen, surely.

Gonna be 2024

[Gran Hermano]

Confirmed that Fury is well and truly overrated. He will want no part of Usyk or Joshua even. Absolute shambles of a man

[apollo creed]

Congrats Francis for his performance! He humbled greedy fat belly.

Francis took this fight very seriously but greedy fat belly not. It must be very disheartening for Fury, for his team, for his fans and also for some boxing fans to see that an mma fighter with almost 2 years of lay-off beat the big, super slick, skilled, world lineal boxing champion in Tyson Fury ?!

Elite mma fighters with good striking skills and elite kickboxers can do very well in pro boxing.

[gilgamesh]

Congrats Francis for his performance! He humbled greedy fat belly.

Francis took this fight very seriously but greedy fat belly not. It must be very disheartening for Fury, for his team, for his fans and also for some boxing fans to see that an mma fighter with almost 2 years of lay-off beat the big, super slick, skilled, world lineal boxing champion in Tyson Fury ?!

Elite mma fighters with good striking skills and elite kickboxers can do very well in pro boxing.

I don't really see what would be disheartening for Boxing fans.

I think it did teach us all a valuable lesson though. With An Elite Boxer vs An Elite Striking MMA fighter, victory for the Boxer is not a given.

That being said, Tyson Fury did win this fight. Because Ngannou did better than everyone thought you got some people saying "Oh man, he was robbed!!!!"

Well, if you'd all just calm down, and score the rounds, you'd see that he did not.

Ngannou did better than anyone thought he could, he proved that he could be a real legitimate contender in Heavyweight Boxing, and will be if he decides to pursue that path.

That's the story of the fight.

The Internet being the internet. It will continue to be exaggerated as something more than it was for a long time to come.

[apollo creed]

Congrats Francis for his performance! He humbled greedy fat belly.

Francis took this fight very seriously but greedy fat belly not. It must be very disheartening for Fury, for his team, for his fans and also for some boxing fans to see that an mma fighter with almost 2 years of lay-off beat the big, super slick, skilled, world lineal boxing champion in Tyson Fury ?!

Elite mma fighters with good striking skills and elite kickboxers can do very well in pro boxing.

I don't really see what would be disheartening for Boxing fans.

I think it did teach us all a valuable lesson though. With An Elite Boxer vs An Elite Striking MMA fighter, victory for the Boxer is not a given.

That being said, Tyson Fury did win this fight. Because Ngannou did better than everyone thought you got some people saying "Oh man, he was robbed!!!!"

Well, if you'd all just calm down, and score the rounds, you'd see that he did not.

Ngannou did better than anyone thought he could, he proved that he could be a real legitimate contender in Heavyweight Boxing, and will be if he decides to pursue that path.

That's the story of the fight.

The Internet being the internet. It will continue to be exaggerated as something more than it was for a long time to come.

It proves how weak is this HW era atm. IMO Francis would beat AJ and Wilder too.

[zorndeslammes]

I don't really see what would be disheartening for Boxing fans.

I think it did teach us all a valuable lesson though. With An Elite Boxer vs An Elite Striking MMA fighter, victory for the Boxer is not a given.

This is copium: in what universe should an elite boxer be remotely competitive with a complete n00b?

If what you say is true, then boxing is absolutely, 100% second tier in all respects. There are more active competitors in MMA, MMA will probably be paying everyone as well or better than boxing in the near future (where is the revenue coming from to pay guys 7 figures?), and indeed, apparently they're just as good at boxing as the best boxers. That leaves the sport as merely being part of future cultural consolidation under TKO Inc.

The Internet being the internet. It will continue to be exaggerated as something more than it was for a long time to come.

I attended an unlimited hydroplane race several years ago, and as it turned out, unlimited hydroplane racing was barely clinging to life. It still technically exists now, but boat construction is nonexistent and events keep disappearing or being reduced in stature and value. None of this is well known because dying sports don't make a sound when they finally go under the waves. All you see instead is silence.

Look around at what people are saying after Fury/Ngannou and you find precisely that - not the excitement of "boxing has X, Y, and Z coming up!" Boxing has basically nothing set in the future beyond the absolutely doomed Fury/Usyk contest. There's nothing. Not a real peep. It's over. Boxing is just an artifact of the past.

[Lackeos]

This is copium: in what universe should an elite boxer be remotely competitive with a complete n00b?

Reminder that McGregor was pretty competitive with Mayweather. Kind of sounds like you forgot.

[zorndeslammes]

This is copium: in what universe should an elite boxer be remotely competitive with a complete n00b?

Reminder that McGregor was pretty competitive with Mayweather. Kind of sounds like you forgot.

Mayweather was literally laughing at him during the fight, which amusingly has been forgotten in time as McGregor's legend grew (in spite of him also decisively losing a bunch of fights).

This is Boxrec, right? Not the UG? People here are supposed to know what they're watching.

[Lackeos]

This is copium: in what universe should an elite boxer be remotely competitive with a complete n00b?

Reminder that McGregor was pretty competitive with Mayweather. Kind of sounds like you forgot.

Mayweather was literally laughing at him during the fight, which amusingly has been forgotten in time as McGregor's legend grew (in spite of him also decisively losing a bunch of fights).

There's no forgetting in time. It was competitive from the day it happened. You're the one rewriting history to cover-up your own ignorance. The boxrec fans scorecard has it 87-84, which is closer than most of Mayweather's fights against world class boxers.

[zorndeslammes]

There's no forgetting in time. It was competitive from the day it happened. You're the one rewriting history to cover-up your own ignorance. The boxrec fans scorecard has it 87-84, which is closer than most of Mayweather's fights against world class boxers.

This is hilarious - the guy who bet the over on himself and immediately terminated the fight was in real trouble!

:sigh: Well, I guess with boxing being in this state the people with common sense probably left awhile ago.

[Lackeos]

There's no forgetting in time. It was competitive from the day it happened. You're the one rewriting history to cover-up your own ignorance. The boxrec fans scorecard has it 87-84, which is closer than most of Mayweather's fights against world class boxers.

This is hilarious - the guy who bet the over on himself and immediately terminated the fight was in real trouble!

:sigh: Well, I guess with boxing being in this state the people with common sense probably left awhile ago.

You've got a pretty unhealthy combination of not knowing what you're talking about and overvaluing your own ignorant opinion.

Btw, pretty crazy to act like a know-it-all when this is literally the first time you've posted about boxing in over 5 years.

[The Asleep Lamps]

Conor got stopped by Mayweather.
It was somewhat humbling for boxing but there are, as always multiple factors that went into why Fury had a bad night. I think it was risky for Fury to take the fight under these circumstances where there existed no film of the man boxing. And frankly many boxing fans didn't know Ngannou, hadn't followed his career.
Mike Tyson said Ngannou broke someone's leg in sparring by hitting him. Which was somewhat reminiscent of his broken back quote, but we had seen that before when he cracked Cain Velasquez! It was actually that his lights went out first, a standing knockout, and then he hurt his knee when he fell.

[zorndeslammes]

Btw, pretty crazy to act like a know-it-all when this is literally the first time you've posted about boxing in over 5 years.

Amused that you looked me up and couldn't read dates on my posts! Sorry, I haven't been as active on Boxrec (which apparently is the entire internet now) given that the sport it's built around has been locked in a death spiral for years and following it seems totally pointless now. I went to the IBHOF inductions in 2022 and came home feeling like I had capped off my interest in it and could move on.

[KiwiRider]

Reminder that McGregor was pretty competitive with Mayweather. Kind of sounds like you forgot.

Mayweather was literally laughing at him during the fight, which amusingly has been forgotten in time as McGregor's legend grew (in spite of him also decisively losing a bunch of fights).

There's no forgetting in time. It was competitive from the day it happened. You're the one rewriting history to cover-up your own ignorance. The boxrec fans scorecard has it 87-84, which is closer than most of Mayweather's fights against world class boxers.

Mayweather admitted to carrying Connor about 18 months after the fight and several times since.

[The Asleep Lamps]

In hindsight we can surmise that if they both fought 100 times, Ngannou would win more times over Fury than Conor would over Floyd although Conor also did better than many expected. 'Money' really was the right person to be tasked with this because he is reliable. With Floyd and Conor the experience gap really was too big to overcome.
The boxing ring is a better suited for these crossover bouts than the octagon imo just like many retired MMA fighters are turning to celebrity boxing. (I guess Shannon Briggs is finally going to fight Rampage Jackson). I mean who wants to see Wilder in an octagon, attempting to avoid a takedown? That would just be silly.

[gilgamesh]

Reminder that McGregor was pretty competitive with Mayweather. Kind of sounds like you forgot.

Mayweather was literally laughing at him during the fight, which amusingly has been forgotten in time as McGregor's legend grew (in spite of him also decisively losing a bunch of fights).

There's no forgetting in time. It was competitive from the day it happened. You're the one rewriting history to cover-up your own ignorance. The boxrec fans scorecard has it 87-84, which is closer than most of Mayweather's fights against world class boxers.

For the record, even though I also had McGregor winning the first 3 rounds against Mayweather, it was obvious to me that Mayweather hadn't even started fighting yet.

He was letting McGregor burn through some of that nervous energy, and putting money in the bank with body shots.

I think he was also hoping it would be competitive enough in the eyes of the public that maybe he could get a big money rematch out of it.

So even though McGregor won the first 3 rounds against Mayweather, that was a bit of smoke and mirrors from Floyd.

[gilgamesh]

I don't really see what would be disheartening for Boxing fans.

I think it did teach us all a valuable lesson though. With An Elite Boxer vs An Elite Striking MMA fighter, victory for the Boxer is not a given.

This is copium: in what universe should an elite boxer be remotely competitive with a complete n00b?

All fights are not created equal. All fighters aren't either.

Francis Ngannou doing well against Tyson Fury is the exception I'd say, not the rule.

Most MMA guys coming to Boxing can't defeat Jake Paul or even give him a particularly competitive bout.

If you do crossover bouts enough times. Eventually the guy from the other sport is bound to win.

[Lackeos]

Mayweather admitted to carrying Connor about 18 months after the fight and several times since.

There's no such thing as credibly admitting to carrying an opponent. Claiming that you carried an opponent is self-serving. It's a statement that alleges that you actually would've won even more rounds if you weren't intentionally losing rounds, and (if the listener is gullible enough to believe it) it makes you sound even better than you are. If an NBA team won the finals in 7 games and then they said they would've won it in 4, because they're sooo much better than their opponent, but they intentionally lost a few games to make it interesting, would you be gullible enough to believe them? If someone said their dick is actually a few inches bigger than it looks, but they're intentionally not getting all the way erect because they don't want to embarrass you, would you believe that? Like, do you understand that there are people out there who lie and say that they're better than they are (self-serving lies) in order to sound better and more important? And you're supposed to not simply believe them. You can't "admit" to a claim that makes you sound BETTER. All right, I admit it, I'm actually the smartest person in the world.

[zorndeslammes]

There's no such thing as credibly admitting to carrying an opponent. Claiming that you carried an opponent is self-serving.

Floyd literally called the event a "robbery" and went to the ring wearing a mask because he was stealing money. The fight is easy to find and watch and there's even posts like this on Quora: https://www.quora.com/Floyd-Mayweather- ... -confident

.....because it is incredibly obvious when you watch the fight and aren't an McGregor stan as to what is happening. I can't believe we are relitigating this years later as though it is in any way comparable to Fury managing a split decision and getting dropped by a 0-0 fighter with zero amateur boxing experience. But I guess for those who think everything is hunky dory, these are the lies you have to tell yourself.

[zorndeslammes]

All fights are not created equal. All fighters aren't either.

Francis Ngannou doing well against Tyson Fury is the exception I'd say, not the rule.

Most MMA guys coming to Boxing can't defeat Jake Paul or even give him a particularly competitive bout.

If you do crossover bouts enough times. Eventually the guy from the other sport is bound to win.

You could do high school basketball team vs. NBA title contender pretty much infinite times and get the same exact outcome. There is no excuse for it.