Ben Davison - Should AJ keep him in the corner?

[damage]

If he's that good why have all the fighters he's trained let him go, surely they'd want to keep him if he brought success.

[coneye]

If he's that good why have all the fighters he's trained let him go, surely they'd want to keep him if he brought success.

Because after a while they relize he's not teaching them he just talks a good game and like i said Bullshit baffle brains

[Cask]

Flashy, vain, smug, and who's that other twat??? Frank Smith?? And you thought Warren looked like a slimeball Jesus the vanity

[coneye]

I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.

I agree with you , personal trainers is what they are especielly Davidson , OK Ok he's trained Fury , BJS , Taylor , now AJ and thats great on his resume , BUT whats he taught any of them , whats he changed in any of them for the better , Fury well he could'nt get it right against the ltd Wilder , , and would'nt listen to experienced trainers like Roach on how to aproach it , guys a personality like you say a personal trainer , my father in law would of described him well , he would off just said Bullshit baffles Brains ,, And i think importantly , who stayed with him

What did Angelo Dundee teach Ali?

Well one thing he did'nt teach, was something new everyday in the gym , NO ONE knows that much , but what he did do was keep Ali focused , picked up straight away when Ali was doing something wrong , and help perfect what he done correct , hence why the greatest and above all work out and plan the CORRECT stratergies to beat opponents , plus they had that trainer / boxer relationship that you get ,

Seen a million times , even watching it play out at the moment with some local ameteurs , trainer / boxer doing well along comes the smooth talker , and off goes the boxer ,, they have a couple of wins , and presto smooyh talker has more to add to his resume which was already built on the work of others , , but then boxer leaves when he relizes he's not been taught anything , he was still doing well on his previous coaches teachings , when implementing his new coaches stuff in the gym it does'nt work ,, Who has Ben Davidson taught from scratch , , what already established world champ has been to him learnt from him and stayed with him , .

Got no doubt he talks a good game , but some people along the lines of Teddy Atlas , can make counting 1,2,3, sound super intelligent ,

[1328613]

You’d think by this poll that Ben won the fight for AJ. It was Otter fornicating Wallin he was fighting.

[coneye]

You’d think by this poll that Ben won the fight for AJ. It was Otter fornicating Wallin he was fighting.

Correct , who i add may well be a good comeback KO for Wilder

[Bercli]

Definitely.

I'm glad to see those idiot posters who called him Boxersize Ben have changed their tune.

I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.

I agree with you , personal trainers is what they are especielly Davidson , OK Ok he's trained Fury , BJS , Taylor , now AJ and thats great on his resume , BUT whats he taught any of them , whats he changed in any of them for the better , Fury well he could'nt get it right against the ltd Wilder , , and would'nt listen to experienced trainers like Roach on how to aproach it , guys a personality like you say a personal trainer , my father in law would of described him well , he would off just said Bullshit baffles Brains ,, And i think importantly , who stayed with him

Exactly my point. I honestly have nothing against the young trainers I mentioned I really don't,but who have they trained from day one? Every single one of the high profile boxers trained by Shane and Ben were already established and knew their way around a ring. My argument is when you talk about real quality trainers, I'm thinking about all these unsung old school amateur trainers from every corner of the UK that coached the likes of Fury,Joshua,Froch,Groves,Haye,etc . They teach the fundamentals,the basics,they recognise talent, understand how to tweak that talent. These are teachers,unpaid social workers, disciplinarians. And you know what? These incredible Human beings are not even getting paid most of the time. Ben's a great talker but the old school trainers are the masters imo

[Bercli]

I agree with you , personal trainers is what they are especielly Davidson , OK Ok he's trained Fury , BJS , Taylor , now AJ and thats great on his resume , BUT whats he taught any of them , whats he changed in any of them for the better , Fury well he could'nt get it right against the ltd Wilder , , and would'nt listen to experienced trainers like Roach on how to aproach it , guys a personality like you say a personal trainer , my father in law would of described him well , he would off just said Bullshit baffles Brains ,, And i think importantly , who stayed with him

What did Angelo Dundee teach Ali?

Well one thing he did'nt teach, was something new everyday in the gym , NO ONE knows that much , but what he did do was keep Ali focused , picked up straight away when Ali was doing something wrong , and help perfect what he done correct , hence why the greatest and above all work out and plan the CORRECT stratergies to beat opponents , plus they had that trainer / boxer relationship that you get ,

Seen a million times , even watching it play out at the moment with some local ameteurs , trainer / boxer doing well along comes the smooth talker , and off goes the boxer ,, they have a couple of wins , and presto smooyh talker has more to add to his resume which was already built on the work of others , , but then boxer leaves when he relizes he's not been taught anything , he was still doing well on his previous coaches teachings , when implementing his new coaches stuff in the gym it does'nt work ,, Who has Ben Davidson taught from scratch , , what already established world champ has been to him learnt from him and stayed with him , .

Got no doubt he talks a good game , but some people along the lines of Teddy Atlas , can make counting 1,2,3, sound super intelligent ,

I agree with everything you say. Also,Dundee trained Ali pretty much from the start of his pro career in 1960

[cormack]

well given the complete radio silence from Derrick James in the run up and post fight it seems inevitable .
Otto was pants but so was Helenius but AJ was so much better this time out .

[a force]

Why would he bitter about Fury, Saunders & Taylor leaving him? He’s not brought them through. He probably couldn’t believe his luck that he’s got huge pay days off doing very little.

If McCormack & anyone else he brings through leave him before their big fights we’ll see if he’s bitter.

[SeanBrennan]

Why would he bitter about Fury, Saunders & Taylor leaving him? He’s not brought them through. He probably couldn’t believe his luck that he’s got huge pay days off doing very little.

If McCormack & anyone else he brings through leave him before their big fights we’ll see if he’s bitter.

Aye, one thing he's never seemed is bitter.

[Coco]

Why would he bitter about Fury, Saunders & Taylor leaving him? He’s not brought them through. He probably couldn’t believe his luck that he’s got huge pay days off doing very little.

If McCormack & anyone else he brings through leave him before their big fights we’ll see if he’s bitter.

I doubt he has a huge payday, nowhere near 10%, he would have got a set fee, prob one of the reasons he got the work was because he was cheap, in that he would have been trying to get a name for himself so he could charge more down the line.

[Bercli]

Why would he bitter about Fury, Saunders & Taylor leaving him? He’s not brought them through. He probably couldn’t believe his luck that he’s got huge pay days off doing very little.

If McCormack & anyone else he brings through leave him before their big fights we’ll see if he’s bitter.

I doubt he has a huge payday, nowhere near 10%, he would have got a set fee, prob one of the reasons he got the work was because he was cheap, in that he would have been trying to get a name for himself so he could charge more down the line.

I agree. I'd be shocked if he was the main trainer for Joshua's vacant world title fight

[SeanBrennan]

Why would he bitter about Fury, Saunders & Taylor leaving him? He’s not brought them through. He probably couldn’t believe his luck that he’s got huge pay days off doing very little.

If McCormack & anyone else he brings through leave him before their big fights we’ll see if he’s bitter.

I doubt he has a huge payday, nowhere near 10%, he would have got a set fee, prob one of the reasons he got the work was because he was cheap, in that he would have been trying to get a name for himself so he could charge more down the line.

I agree. I'd be shocked if he was the main trainer for Joshua's vacant world title fight

no idea re fee but I think he'll be AJ main trainer now, he has a good resume and clearly did well there in recent fight.

[Bigdogsnose]

Regardless what you think of Ben Davison (not a huge fan myself), its a no brainer to keep him.

AJ aint gonna be learning fcuk all new now.

Keep it simple, he'll have confidence, doesnt need to fcuk about. Trust himself again.

[SeanBrennan]

Regardless what you think of Ben Davison (not a huge fan myself), its a no brainer to keep him.

AJ aint gonna be learning fcuk all new now.

Keep it simple, he'll have confidence, doesnt need to fcuk about. Trust himself again.

agreed, and big fan of Ben myself. Works harder than all the other trainers who seem to focus on petty snides about him.

[high tower 1]

Yes. Don’t like Ben but on this occasion his positive motivation chat working out.

[coneye]

Yes. Don’t like Ben but on this occasion his positive motivation chat working out.

Why because AJ beat a guy he could of , would off beat when he come straight out of the ameteurs . Aj would off pit him to sleep for a week , 6-7 years ago

[bogan whisperer]

Joshua needs to feel special and be kept happy and Davison is very good at that. Plus, if he bothers to listen, Joshua may actually learn something from him as well.

[The Gratest]

I wonder what Redback Rastaman would've made of this trainer change/addition?

[Steveh583]

Yes. Don’t like Ben but on this occasion his positive motivation chat working out.

Why because AJ beat a guy he could of , would off beat when he come straight out of the ameteurs . Aj would off pit him to sleep for a week , 6-7 years ago

its not just AJ hes motivated tho. Done great with Leigh Wood, was pivotal in bringing fury back from the brink. He can clearly get 'em enthused.

[Bercli]

Joshua needs to feel special and be kept happy and Davison is very good at that. Plus, if he bothers to listen, Joshua may actually learn something from him as well.

If that's the case,employ him as a cheerleader

[SeanBrennan]

Joshua needs to feel special and be kept happy and Davison is very good at that. Plus, if he bothers to listen, Joshua may actually learn something from him as well.

If that's the case,employ him as a cheerleader

surely you see the benefit Ben has? He has a fantastic track record.

[bogan whisperer]

Joshua needs to feel special and be kept happy and Davison is very good at that. Plus, if he bothers to listen, Joshua may actually learn something from him as well.

If that's the case,employ him as a cheerleader

He has enough of those already.

[The Gratest]