Big Differences In Judges Scorecards For The Same Fight

[keithmoonhangover]

At the time, I thought the first Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez fight had wide scores with one judge scoring 118-113 Ramirez and another scoring 117-113 Whitaker.

Are there any other good examples? And I wonder if there's ever been a fight with one judge scoring all the rounds for Fighter A and another giving every round to Fighter B,

[Ambling Alp II]

Don't know of any fights where one judge gave every round to one fighter and another judge gave all of them to the other fight. I guess it must have happened in four round fights where the rounds are all close.

One notable fight where the judges were far apart was the 2nd Emile Griffith Joe DeNucci fight in 1972. It was a 12 -round fight. The referee and one judge gave it to Griffith by the score of 120-108. Probably a shutout.

However, the other judge had it 118-117 for DeNucci! There are multiple ways to come to that score, but the most likely one is that he gave DeNucci 3 rounds, Griffith only 2, and had 7 even. This scoring looks very suspect.

[Perseus]

So if the fighters spend a lot of time during a given round on the ropes and a lot of the total rounds are that way it means AT LEAST one judge can only see one fighter.
This leads to individual scorecards being very different.
They are watching the same fight but they cannot see the same things.

Having said that I don't think it applies to Whitaker/Ramirez. Haven't watched that one in probably 20 years and it's not in my collection.
Can't remember a Whitaker fight that was on the ropes most of the night.

[bennie]

There was controversy when our own Alan Rudkin challenged Lionel Rose for the world bantamweight title in Melbourne in 1969. Rose came through on a split decision at the end of a hard, competitive fight but one judge, Ray Mitchell of Australia, scored all 15 rounds for Rose.

[Woller]

No he did not. He had one of the rounds 5-3 for Rose and one even.

[margaret thatcher]

christain mijares-jose navarro, split win for mijares, with the card against him being a 12-0

Adalaide Byrd 117-111 Doug Tucker 108-120 Chris Wilson 115-113


recently there was also a womens fight where one judge had the winner up 100-90, while another had 97-93 for the loser. other judge had it 97-93 for the first boxer


i have defo seen at least a handful of scores like 98-92, 99-91, 92-98, though will search up later. sometimes you can understand how scores would diverge, especially when you get contrasting styles. there are some fights with a lot of swing rounds, and if you prefer a certain style, aggression over counterpunching, etc you might keep edging them the opposite way a judge with more of a liking for a defensive boxer would for example. two judges could have a shutout in opposite directions and still agree that rounds were close.

although to be honest though, most the time though its a head scratcher regardless.

[margaret thatcher]

ya 40-36/36-40 has happened in 4 rounders, off the top of my head i also remember two judges went in opposite directions with shutouts in paul williams-kermit cintron. that was actually a 12 round fight but went to the cards early

[bennie]

No he did not. He had one of the rounds 5-3 for Rose and one even.

Eh? Mitchell gave his compatriot every round and was roundly condemned by the British press.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Ray_Mitchell

[Woller]

Back home, I have an old Boxing News where Michell has a large article describing his scorecard. He did not score the fight 15-0. Boxrec is mistaken. i will find the B.N. When I get home Friday.

I watched the fight a few weeks ago, and had Rose winning by four rounds, but that is another story.

[bennie]

Back home, I have an old Boxing News where Michell has a large article describing his scorecard. He did not score the fight 15-0. Boxrec is mistaken. i will find the B.N. When I get home Friday.

I watched the fight a few weeks ago, and had Rose wikking by four rounds, but that is another story.

Mitchell was bent. He ran Fighter magazine and his scorecard made good copy.

[giacomino]

Few worse scorecards than Roland Dakin’s score in the Vito Antuofermo v Minter fight. I had Vito, the champion, edging it, two judges split with very close scores, Dakin scored it 149-137 for his fellow countryman Minter. I am not sure he even docked Minter a point for the late knockdown. A scandal that they let Dakin continue to judge title fights for another eight years

[margaret thatcher]

the card for rudkin looks the one out of line with the others

[bennie]

Duke McKenzie made a successful defence of his European flyweight title in Italy against Giampiero Pinna. Two of the judges scored 117-115 and 118-115 for McKenzie. The third judge scored 120-120. He scored all 12 rounds even.

[wouter]

In 1995 Bobby Crabtree won a split decision over Kenny Keene, the scores were 116-115, 120-108 and 111-119.

[Seamus]

Both Paul Pender v Sugar Ray Robinson bouts.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Ryan Burnett vs Lee Haskins

Jerry Jakubco 119-107 Dave Parris 119-107 Clark Sammartino 108-118

Turns out Sammartino didn't know which fighter was which.

Doesn't really count for this thread cus technically he had Burnett winning.

He judged two fights on that card and hasn't judged since.

[giacomino]

Ryan Burnett vs Lee Haskins

Jerry Jakubco 119-107 Dave Parris 119-107 Clark Sammartino 108-118

Turns out Sammartino didn't know which fighter was which.

Doesn't really count for this thread cus technically he had Burnett winning.

He judged two fights on that card and hasn't judged since.

I forgot about that one. One the great judges of all time

[bwu]

Pintor-Zarate in '79. Two judges gave it to Pintor 143-142. The other judge gave it to Zarate 145-133.

[bennie]

Pintor-Zarate in '79. Two judges gave it to Pintor 143-142. The other judge gave it to Zarate 145-133.

Carlos had the longest sulk in boxing history.

[Woller]

I have just found Ray Mitchells scorecard from the Lionel Rose - Alan Rudkin fight.
He gives round 11 to Rose by 5-3, and has round 13 even 5-5. The rest of the rounds are 5-4 Rose.

He has a full page defending his scorecard in Boxing News April 4th 1969.

He certainly has a high meaning of himself, when you read the story.

[bennie]

I have just found Ray Mitchells scorecard from the Lionel Rose - Alan Rudkin fight.
He gives round 11 to Rose by 5-3, and has round 13 even 5-5. The rest of the rounds are 5-4 Rose.

He has a full page defending his scorecard in Boxing News April 4th 1969.

He certainly has a high meaning of himself, when you read the story.

Fair enough, Woller.