Joe Louis vs Tyson Fury (Peak vs Peak)

[elmersalsa]

Fury would smash Louis. If anyone can't trust Fury's chin, they should not trust Louis' chin, either. Louis' chin was not up to par as his wallop punch. He got decked too many times by inferior, low level skilled and smaller opponents.

Can you imagine Two Ton Tony Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Tony Galento 5'7" 233lbs.
Tyson Fury 6'9" 277lbs or more.

Are we serious? These guys today are Giants!

Elmer. Fury just lost back to back fights against a guy who's an inch and a half taller than Joe Louis. Height means nothing elmer.

Was Joe Louis a great champion? Yes. I ranked him #2 at heavyweight all-time behind Muhammad Ali.

But, he fought in an era that guys were stiffs, especially the big guys. These guys, the majority of them, weren't even boxers. They were just guys trying to make a living. A lot of these guys that Louis fought didn't fight in that amateurs. And if they did, they didn't had a long amateur background.

Louis was too small for even in his era. At 6'1" and never over 200lbs most of the time won't cut it with these giants of today. I call it like I see it. My grandma would be pissed at my comments, she was around in Louis's heyday, but that's the truth.

Plus, the main reason I don't think that he would be great at heavyweight after the reign of Sonny Liston is because, first, he was too small. Second, his skills for those times were primitive. And third, I DON'T TRUST HIS CHIN. One shot by those guys of the 70s and is over.

[keithmoonhangover]

Louis was too small for even in his era.

elmer, I'm sure you're a lovely guy, but that is quite possibly the stoopidist thing I've ever read on BoxRec.

[goose 5]

I'll buy the argument that Louis was too small for later eras and his chin would be a liability but I disagree strongly that his skills would be primitive.

[elmersalsa]

Louis was too small for even in his era.

elmer, I'm sure you're a lovely guy, but that is quite possibly the stoopidist thing I've ever read on BoxRec.

Even for the 1930s and 40s standards, Joe Louis was too small. 6'1 and less than 200lbs? C'mon, bruh!

I know that he was the Heavyweight Champion of the World. We understand that. But, he wasn't that big.

[elmersalsa]

I'll buy the argument that Louis was too small for later eras and his chin would be a liability but I disagree strongly that his skills would be primitive.

Well, you could disagree that his skills were primitive or not. Joe Louis looked good fighting stiffs. But, for the modern era standards after 1960, they looked primitive to me.

Can he throw the left hook? Yes. Better than anybody.
Can he throw the uppercut? Yes.
Was he a combination puncher? Yes.

That arsenal looks good with guys that were stiffs. Just like Sugar Ray Robinson fighting stiffs in the 1940s.

[keithmoonhangover]

Louis was too small for even in his era.

elmer, I'm sure you're a lovely guy, but that is quite possibly the stoopidist thing I've ever read on BoxRec.

Even for the 1930s and 40s standards, Joe Louis was too small. 6'1 and less than 200lbs?

He dominated the boxing world, so he absolutely was not too small. In fact, he was taller than Marciano, Charles, Walcott and beat every boxer he ever fought who was taller than him.

[Ambling Alp II]

How do you figure over a 100 pound difference ?

He didn't answer that, did he?

I remember one time there was a discussion about ko percentages. elmer didn't know how to do the math. He would come up with incorrect numbers and somebody pointed it out. He said that he has his own "criteria". You can't make this up.

So I'm sure somehow, shoe way, in his mind it's a 100-pound difference.

[elmersalsa]

elmer, I'm sure you're a lovely guy, but that is quite possibly the stoopidist thing I've ever read on BoxRec.

Even for the 1930s and 40s standards, Joe Louis was too small. 6'1 and less than 200lbs?

He dominated the boxing world, so he absolutely was not too small. In fact, he was taller than Marciano, Charles, Walcott and beat every boxer he ever fought who was taller than him.

And Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano, and Jersey Joe Walcott, still were too small for heavyweight standards. The real heavyweights started from Sonny Liston on.

[keithmoonhangover]

Even for the 1930s and 40s standards, Joe Louis was too small. 6'1 and less than 200lbs?

He dominated the boxing world, so he absolutely was not too small. In fact, he was taller than Marciano, Charles, Walcott and beat every boxer he ever fought who was taller than him.

And Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano, and Jersey Joe Walcott, still were too small for heavyweight standards. The real heavyweights started from Sonny Liston on.

What happened to your 'Louis was too small for his own era', argument? Have you given up on that one, or are you holding firm?

[elmersalsa]

He dominated the boxing world, so he absolutely was not too small. In fact, he was taller than Marciano, Charles, Walcott and beat every boxer he ever fought who was taller than him.

And Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano, and Jersey Joe Walcott, still were too small for heavyweight standards. The real heavyweights started from Sonny Liston on.

What happened to your 'Louis was too small for his own era', argument? Have you given up on that one, or are you holding firm?

Q
He was still too small for his era. He didn't passed the 200lbs mark in his prime. And when he did, he still looked small. Just look at the videos.

A guy that got dropped by 5'7" and 233lbs by a stiff like Two Ton Tony Galento ain't beating a guy that weighed in 277lbs and more like Tyson Fury. Fury was 6'9" also. And very talented. He is not stiffs like Abe Simon nor Primo Carnera.


Can you imagine 5'7", 233lbs Two Ton Tony Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

[keithmoonhangover]

And Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano, and Jersey Joe Walcott, still were too small for heavyweight standards. The real heavyweights started from Sonny Liston on.

What happened to your 'Louis was too small for his own era', argument? Have you given up on that one, or are you holding firm?

Q
He was still too small for his era. He didn't passed the 200lbs mark in his prime. And when he did, he still looked small. Just look at the videos.

A guy that got dropped by 5'7" and 233lbs by a stiff like Two Ton Tony Galento ain't beating a guy that weighed in 277lbs and more like Tyson Fury. Fury was 6'9" also. And very talented. He is not stiffs like Abe Simon nor Primo Carnera.

Can you imagine 5'7", 233lbs Two Ton Tony Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Galento was a contender and a big puncher. Neven Pajkic was bigger than Tony, but he was a light puncher who never got any where near contender status. Can you imagine Neven Pajkic dropping Joe Louis?

[elmersalsa]

What happened to your 'Louis was too small for his own era', argument? Have you given up on that one, or are you holding firm?

Q
He was still too small for his era. He didn't passed the 200lbs mark in his prime. And when he did, he still looked small. Just look at the videos.

A guy that got dropped by 5'7" and 233lbs by a stiff like Two Ton Tony Galento ain't beating a guy that weighed in 277lbs and more like Tyson Fury. Fury was 6'9" also. And very talented. He is not stiffs like Abe Simon nor Primo Carnera.

Can you imagine 5'7", 233lbs Two Ton Tony Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Galento was a contender and a big puncher. Neven Pajkic was bigger than Tony, but he was a light puncher who never got any where near contender status. Can you imagine Neven Pajkic dropping Joe Louis?

Yes. Never Pakjic was a real heavyweight. Not Two Ton Tony Galento.

Louis was dropped by Jimmy Braddock.
Louis was knocked out by Max Schmeling.
Louis was dropped and thrown almost out of the ring by Buddy Baer.
Louis was dropped by 5'7", 233lbs Galento. Galento wasn't even a real boxer.
Louis was almost knocked out by 168lbs pound Billy Conn.
Louis was hurt by Tammie Mauriello.
Jersey Joe Walcott, who wasn't even 200lbs, dropped Louis 3 times! Twice in one fight!
Rocky Marciano, who never weighed in 200lbs, threw Joe Louis out of the ring.

The end of the story which is straight forward and very indicative, is that Louis' chin could not hold up and would not hold up with the heavyweights of the 1960s since Sonny Liston, let alone with the Giants of today's heavyweight boxing. He would have got crushed and beaten many times.

[Cojimar 1946]

It's hard to gauge how good Louis is given his competition. Id probably favor Roy Jones and James Toney over everybody Louis beat

[Ambling Alp II]

The two Walcott fights and the Marciano fight were when he Louis was well past. Guess what? He won the Walcott fights.
This thread is supposed to Peak vs Peak, so the Walcott and Marciano fights are supposed to count anyway.

We are down to four fights in his entire career he was knocked down anywhere near his peak.
Guess what? He won three of those fights. And all of the others.

One time in 59 fights over 12 years his supposed weak chin cost him a fight. One time. And in the rematch, he knocked the guy out in the first round.
Like just about everyone, some of his wins were over stiffs. He beat the previous 5 champions. Champions, not WBS title holders.
But somehow, he would be screwed against Fury because Fury is such a big puncher? After all, Fury stopped...... Well he stopped wilder once out three times. couldn't even stop an ancient glass jaw Klitschko.
Fury certainly has not shown he has a great chin either.

Fury would get hit more often than he ever did in his career. He would be fighting a guy who knew what to do when his opponent was hurt. Louis may have been the best finisher in history.

The sheer lack of knowledge about Joe Louis by some people is unbelievable. thankfully, some people know who great he truly was.

[elmersalsa]

The two Walcott fights and the Marciano fight were when he Louis was well past. Guess what? He won the Walcott fights.
This thread is supposed to Peak vs Peak, so the Walcott and Marciano fights are supposed to count anyway.

We are down to four fights in his entire career he was knocked down anywhere near his peak.
Guess what? He won three of those fights. And all of the others.

One time in 59 fights over 12 years his supposed weak chin cost him a fight. One time. And in the rematch, he knocked the guy out in the first round.
Like just about everyone, some of his wins were over stiffs. He beat the previous 5 champions. Champions, not WBS title holders.
But somehow, he would be screwed against Fury because Fury is such a big puncher? After all, Fury stopped...... Well he stopped wilder once out three times. couldn't even stop an ancient glass jaw Klitschko.
Fury certainly has not shown he has a great chin either.

Fury would get hit more often than he ever did in his career. He would be fighting a guy who knew what to do when his opponent was hurt. Louis may have been the best finisher in history.

The sheer lack of knowledge about Joe Louis by some people is unbelievable. thankfully, some people know who great he truly was.

I know that he would be a drubbing ball since 1960. Too small, too chinny and too primitive.

His chin would not hold on. I know that for a fact. These guys today are not Two Ton Tony Galento. They're bigger, faster, taller and hit much harder than Galento.

Can you imagine Galento dropping Tyson Fury or any great heavyweight after Sonny Liston?

[Ambling Alp II]

You don't know simple math for a fact. you certainly don't know that Louis would have lost to Fury.
Yes I can imagine Galento knocking them down. Can't imagine Galento actually winning, but that is a different story. And guess what? Louis knocked Galento out in the fourth round.

Galento hit harder than Sonny Banks, who knocked down Ali.
Galento hit harder than Marty Marshall who dropped Liston and actually beat him.
Galento hit harder than Mike Bruce, who decked Frazier.
Galento hit harder than Jimmy Young, who knocked down Foreman.
Galento hit harder than Steve Cunningham, who knocked down Fury.

[Cojimar 1946]

People keep bringing up the Ngannou and Usyk fights when Fury was past it as a criticism. If the Walcott and Charles fight are irrelevant due to Louis being past prime the same should be true of Furys post 2019 career

[Expug]

You don't know simple math for a fact. you certainly don't know that Louis would have lost to Fury.
Yes I can imagine Galento knocking them down. Can't imagine Galento actually winning, but that is a different story. And guess what? Louis knocked Galento out in the fourth round.

Galento hit harder than Sonny Banks, who knocked down Ali.
Galento hit harder than Marty Marshall who dropped Liston and actually beat him.
Galento hit harder than Mike Bruce, who decked Frazier.
Galento hit harder than Jimmy Young, who knocked down Foreman.
Galento hit harder than Steve Cunningham, who knocked down Fury.

Often times, unorthodox, wild swinging guys, can definitely throw you off your game. If they can bang, they can be very dangerous. Graziano was a helluva lot better than Galento , but he had sugar Ray on the deck with one of his haymaker right hands. Sometimes bombs come outta left field. Just putting it out there.

[elmersalsa]

You don't know simple math for a fact. you certainly don't know that Louis would have lost to Fury.
Yes I can imagine Galento knocking them down. Can't imagine Galento actually winning, but that is a different story. And guess what? Louis knocked Galento out in the fourth round.

Galento hit harder than Sonny Banks, who knocked down Ali.
Galento hit harder than Marty Marshall who dropped Liston and actually beat him.
Galento hit harder than Mike Bruce, who decked Frazier.
Galento hit harder than Jimmy Young, who knocked down Foreman.
Galento hit harder than Steve Cunningham, who knocked down Fury.

this post is laughable. It goes way beyond logic.

[elmersalsa]

People keep bringing up the Ngannou and Usyk fights when Fury was past it as a criticism. If the Walcott and Charles fight are irrelevant due to Louis being past prime the same should be true of Furys post 2019 career

Joe Louis beats Godzilla, too.

[Ambling Alp II]

You don't know simple math for a fact. you certainly don't know that Louis would have lost to Fury.
Yes I can imagine Galento knocking them down. Can't imagine Galento actually winning, but that is a different story. And guess what? Louis knocked Galento out in the fourth round.

Galento hit harder than Sonny Banks, who knocked down Ali.
Galento hit harder than Marty Marshall who dropped Liston and actually beat him.
Galento hit harder than Mike Bruce, who decked Frazier.
Galento hit harder than Jimmy Young, who knocked down Foreman.
Galento hit harder than Steve Cunningham, who knocked down Fury.

this post is laughable. It goes way beyond logic.

Logic really isn't your thing.
Please do tell. Which of these guys hit harder than Galento?

[elmersalsa]

You don't know simple math for a fact. you certainly don't know that Louis would have lost to Fury.
Yes I can imagine Galento knocking them down. Can't imagine Galento actually winning, but that is a different story. And guess what? Louis knocked Galento out in the fourth round.

Galento hit harder than Sonny Banks, who knocked down Ali.
Galento hit harder than Marty Marshall who dropped Liston and actually beat him.
Galento hit harder than Mike Bruce, who decked Frazier.
Galento hit harder than Jimmy Young, who knocked down Foreman.
Galento hit harder than Steve Cunningham, who knocked down Fury.

this post is laughable. It goes way beyond logic.

Logic really isn't your thing.
Please do tell. Which of these guys hit harder than Galento?

They weren't 5'7" boxers with 233lbs on barley and hops. I could tell you that.

[Expug]

Even for the 1930s and 40s standards, Joe Louis was too small. 6'1 and less than 200lbs?

He dominated the boxing world, so he absolutely was not too small. In fact, he was taller than Marciano, Charles, Walcott and beat every boxer he ever fought who was taller than him.

And Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano, and Jersey Joe Walcott, still were too small for heavyweight standards. The real heavyweights started from Sonny Liston on.

Liston was 213 when he won the title. Would he have been to small at that weight to beat todays heavyweights?

[keithmoonhangover]

this post is laughable. It goes way beyond logic.

Logic really isn't your thing.
Please do tell. Which of these guys hit harder than Galento?

They weren't 5'7" boxers with 233lbs on barley and hops. I could tell you that.

How about you answer Alp's question.

[Cojimar 1946]

You don't know simple math for a fact. you certainly don't know that Louis would have lost to Fury.
Yes I can imagine Galento knocking them down. Can't imagine Galento actually winning, but that is a different story. And guess what? Louis knocked Galento out in the fourth round.

Galento hit harder than Sonny Banks, who knocked down Ali.
Galento hit harder than Marty Marshall who dropped Liston and actually beat him.
Galento hit harder than Mike Bruce, who decked Frazier.
Galento hit harder than Jimmy Young, who knocked down Foreman.
Galento hit harder than Steve Cunningham, who knocked down Fury.

this post is laughable. It goes way beyond logic.

Logic really isn't your thing.
Please do tell. Which of these guys hit harder than Galento?

Galento was lacking in technique and unathletic with short arms. I wouldn't expect him to be able to land effectively against a mobile opponent with good defense in the first place.