Over Inflated Win/loss records

[Sweet Dick Willie]

Lomachenko. 18-3 but still the greatest boxer of the generation. And two of his losses were robberies.

No. Haney was the only terrible decision. Robbery is the most overused word in boxing among fans. Robbery is Whitaker vs Ramirez I, Campillo vs Shumenov II, Whitaker vs Chavez, Canelo vs GGG I, where somebody who clearly won didn't get the decision. Loma was his own worst enemy in the fights he lost.

So you actually think Salido was the better man that night?

[giacomino]

Only casuals think every close fight is a robbery when it goes against them. It was a fight that could have gone either way. Not remotely a robbery

[Expug]

For once I am going to agree with elmer. LaRocca had this great record going into the Curry fight which was on national TV. He was no match for Curry. Looking at his record, can't find anyone that he beat that I had heard of.

Ya, agree. I remember watching that Curry fight.
Beforehand there was big hype on this Larocca fella. Undefeated , blah ,blah. I thought “ man I gotta check this guy out. He got thrashed. Barely heard about him again.

I disagree. Larocca could box, and he had beaten the typical mix of veterans on the way up, but he didn't have a big punch to keep the elite off him. I saw several of his fights before the Curry fight. Curry was at his prime when they fought. Curry Ko'd Colin Jones in fewer rounds in his next fight and McCroy less than a year later in 2. Larocca wasn't a superstar but he was a decent fighter and there were dozens of fighters less qualified for a title shot. Hell, there are more inflated fighters these days that have paper title belts

He definitely could box.
I looked up his record and he’s a guy that for sure had to take the title shot he was offered. Any fighter has to do that.
It would’ve been good if he fought a step up in competition a couple times before going in against Curry. That can be said about countless fighters though I guess.

[gilgamesh]

Lomachenko. 18-3 but still the greatest boxer of the generation. And two of his losses were robberies.

No. Haney was the only terrible decision. Robbery is the most overused word in boxing among fans. Robbery is Whitaker vs Ramirez I, Campillo vs Shumenov II, Whitaker vs Chavez, Canelo vs GGG I, where somebody who clearly won didn't get the decision. Loma was his own worst enemy in the fights he lost.

So you actually think Salido was the better man that night?

Yeah Salido beat him. Primarily due to just being more aggressive. Loma did start to figure him out toward the end of the bout, but never quite caught up.

I've never watched the Loma vs Haney fight, but I always thought that was close.

Loma started too late against Teofimo. He didn't start winning rounds until he was already down so far that he couldn't win the fight.

[gilgamesh]

Only casuals think every close fight is a robbery when it goes against them. It was a fight that could have gone either way. Not remotely a robbery

Yeah in order for me to deem a decision a robbery. It should've been at least 8 CLEAR rounds to 4. If I had it 7 rounds to 5 or there were a lot of close rounds that could've went either way in there, I'm not gonna get too worked up about a decision that I disagree with.

Like they say. That's why you don't leave it the hands of the judges.

[londonwar]

the last big records at heavyweight were guys like David 'el nino' Rodriguez and Faruk Saleem.

its rare as hens teeth to see an inflated or padded record reaching into even the 20's these days.

[JC]

the last big records at heavyweight were guys like David 'el nino' Rodriguez and Faruk Saleem.

its rare as hens teeth to see an inflated or padded record reaching into even the 20's these days.

J D Chapman was another.

Nelson Hysa is an active one.

[p4p1]

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/237842

This guy. On paper it looks like he would be solid.
Demolished by Haye and Hrgovic in less than a round when he stepped up.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

No. Haney was the only terrible decision. Robbery is the most overused word in boxing among fans. Robbery is Whitaker vs Ramirez I, Campillo vs Shumenov II, Whitaker vs Chavez, Canelo vs GGG I, where somebody who clearly won didn't get the decision. Loma was his own worst enemy in the fights he lost.

So you actually think Salido was the better man that night?

Yeah Salido beat him. Primarily due to just being more aggressive. Loma did start to figure him out toward the end of the bout, but never quite caught up.

I've never watched the Loma vs Haney fight, but I always thought that was close.

Loma started too late against Teofimo. He didn't start winning rounds until he was already down so far that he couldn't win the fight.

- Loma wanted his first fight to be for a title, but Arum and Boxing orgs didn't want to be embarrassed, so they arranged Jose Luis Ramirez, 25-3 who had never been KOed to fight for WBO Feather title which Loma won by 4th rd KO.

Salido was a dirty fighter who didn't make weight,. weighing over 128 lb who stepped into the ring near the welter limit. He was he was graciously helped by the stupidest and most crooked ref of his generation, Laurence Cole. The WBO feather title was a vacant title fight. Salido hit on the break, low blowed, Rabbit punched, and clinched all night. Any time Loma got on top, he broke up the action which most especially happened in the last round when Loma got on top ready for the KO.

Nyet...Cole had his marching orders as did the judges. Highly controversial Split Decision, but Boxing's miserable reputation, then, now, and always in the future forevermore was upheld.

Would be embarrassing. Loma's biggest problem was boxing too long in the Amas, 396-1 with 2 Olympic Gold 1200 or more. . As a pro, he became injury prone, primarily with a shoulder that needed repeated surgeries His record as a pro is 24-3 with a Ring Mag Fighter of the year in 2017 in spite of a just a 9-1 record.

He wowed fans like no other and is now has an inactive rating after KOing undefeated Kambosos last year...

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[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

So you actually think Salido was the better man that night?

Yeah Salido beat him. Primarily due to just being more aggressive. Loma did start to figure him out toward the end of the bout, but never quite caught up.

I've never watched the Loma vs Haney fight, but I always thought that was close.

Loma started too late against Teofimo. He didn't start winning rounds until he was already down so far that he couldn't win the fight.

- Loma wanted his first fight to be for a title, but Arum and Boxing orgs didn't want to be embarrassed, so they arranged Jose Luis Ramirez, 25-3 who had never been KOed to fight for WBO Feather title which Loma won by 4th rd KO.

Salido was a dirty fighter who didn't make weight,. weighing over 128 lb who stepped into the ring near the welter limit. He was he was graciously helped by the stupidest and most crooked ref of his generation, Laurence Cole. The WBO feather title was a vacant title fight. Salido hit on the break, low blowed, Rabbit punched, and clinched all night. Any time Loma got on top, he broke up the action which most especially happened in the last round when Loma got on top ready for the KO.

Nyet...Cole had his marching orders as did the judges. Highly controversial Split Decision, but Boxing's miserable reputation, then, now, and always in the future forevermore was upheld.

Would be embarrassing. Loma's biggest problem was boxing too long in the Amas, 396-1 with 2 Olympic Gold 1200 or more. . As a pro, he became injury prone, primarily with a shoulder that needed repeated surgeries His record as a pro is 24-3 with a Ring Mag Fighter of the year in 2017 in spite of a just a 9-1 record.

He wowed fans like no other and is now has an inactive rating after KOing undefeated Kambosos last year...

- Re: Robbery is Whitaker vs Ramirez

Bout was in Monte Carlo with a Brazilian, British, and French judge who was the least experienced and the only one to give Pernell the winning score by a single point. The other two gave it to Jose wide. Likely the idiot US announcers broadcasting home influenced the robbery claim which is why I cut off the audio years back after having absorbed the idiocy of Cosell as a young kid.

Now Pernell was only 15-0 going for his first title with the dumber than DUMB Lou Duva who ruined Meldrick Taylor in the JCChavez first bout as the overview of this fight. Pea starts fast against 100-6 big punching Jose who was always slow, but Pea and Duva threw it all away when Pea who was a better clown than fighter started clowning Jose who made the adjustment to his rhythms that had Pea walking into clean left hooks to the liver. Pretty soon Pea started looking like a cadaver hanging onto him for dear life, not the recommended professional way to handle a Mexican Legend.

More talented Hector Camacho got in easily with much faster footwork while staying in range popping him with flashing punches. Hector also had some clown in him started flashing around him slapping his fanny that the ref had to warn him in an otherwise shut out. Leonard was a guest broadcaster was near speechless over sheer speed he witnessed and later got KOed by Camacho.

Why Jose ain't in the IBHOF who enshrined a female boxer who never had a single ama/pro bout another example of American IDIOCY that seems to be an epidemic these days.

In short, no doubt Pea was a top talent, but lacked the intelligence that Duva couldn't provide...

[keithmoonhangover]

No. Haney was the only terrible decision. Robbery is the most overused word in boxing among fans. Robbery is Whitaker vs Ramirez I, Campillo vs Shumenov II, Whitaker vs Chavez, Canelo vs GGG I, where somebody who clearly won didn't get the decision. Loma was his own worst enemy in the fights he lost.

So you actually think Salido was the better man that night?

Yeah Salido beat him. Primarily due to just being more aggressive. Loma did start to figure him out toward the end of the bout, but never quite caught up.

I've never watched the Loma vs Haney fight, but I always thought that was close.

Loma started too late against Teofimo. He didn't start winning rounds until he was already down so far that he couldn't win the fight.

Salido won fair and square IMO. No robbery involved.

Loma did well as a pro, incredible amateur, but I can't help think that if he was that amazing, he would of beaten Salido on the night.

[gilgamesh]

So you actually think Salido was the better man that night?

Yeah Salido beat him. Primarily due to just being more aggressive. Loma did start to figure him out toward the end of the bout, but never quite caught up.

I've never watched the Loma vs Haney fight, but I always thought that was close.

Loma started too late against Teofimo. He didn't start winning rounds until he was already down so far that he couldn't win the fight.

Salido won fair and square IMO. No robbery involved.

Loma did well as a pro, incredible amateur, but I can't help think that if he was that amazing, he would of beaten Salido on the night.

I don't think the Salido loss is embarrassing for him at all for a few reasons.

1. It was only his 2nd fight.

2. Salido came at him with all kinds of rough tactics, and a wear down style that nobody would've ever been allowed to employ against Lomachenko up to now. The fact that Loma had began to figure it out, and do well at the end of a 12 rounder is commendable and to his credit.

It was a good learning experience for Loma, and he bounced right back from it. I do however agree with you that it was no robbery.

It was just the price he had to pay for being too ambitious, too fast against something he had never faced before. Ultimately he got stronger because of it, not weaker. So it's all good.

[keithmoonhangover]

Yeah Salido beat him. Primarily due to just being more aggressive. Loma did start to figure him out toward the end of the bout, but never quite caught up.

I've never watched the Loma vs Haney fight, but I always thought that was close.

Loma started too late against Teofimo. He didn't start winning rounds until he was already down so far that he couldn't win the fight.

Salido won fair and square IMO. No robbery involved.

Loma did well as a pro, incredible amateur, but I can't help think that if he was that amazing, he would of beaten Salido on the night.

I don't think the Salido loss is embarrassing for him at all for a few reasons.

1. It was only his 2nd fight.

2. Salido came at him with all kinds of rough tactics, and a wear down style that nobody would've ever been allowed to employ against Lomachenko up to now. The fact that Loma had began to figure it out, and do well at the end of a 12 rounder is commendable and to his credit.

It was a good learning experience for Loma, and he bounced right back from it. I do however agree with you that it was no robbery.

It was just the price he had to pay for being too ambitious, too fast against something he had never faced before. Ultimately he got stronger because of it, not weaker. So it's all good.

It was proof that the pro game is totally different to the ams. Salido wasn't a stand out in the division, but it was too much too soon. In fairness to Arum, it was Loma who wanted to move so quickly.

[gilgamesh]

And in fairness to Arum and Loma. The loss didn't deter them. They went right back in with Top level opposition in the very next bout, and showed that he did indeed deserve to be put at that level that quickly.

Not many fighters or promoters would've been willing to get right back on the horse like that so quickly, but they did.