RazorKO wrote:Collins2000 wrote:RazorKO wrote:Why would anyone be glad about your list? It's just a pile of crap that we laugh at.
I for one dont give a monkeys ass if u dont like it.
Gerrie Coetzee the 16th best heavyweight EVER???
Christ almighty, I am not even sure he would even be the 16th best heavy in the period he was active.
What objective criteria did you use to come up with that ranking?
RazorKO wrote:IMHO I thought Gerrie was a great fighter but was looked down upon because of the aparthied/ injustice in South Africa.
If I am reading this correctly, you think the reason we don't rate Coetzee as highly as you is because of our feelings regarding apartheid. Well apartheid was a disgrace but I don't use it as a yardstick to judge Coetzee.
RazorKO wrote:Gerrie was green until he fought in America and had American handlers who taught him how to change his style, but when he fought Tate and Weaver he hardly threw a jab and was just a highly agressive brawler......and he still gave Tate a close fight and Weaver a major battle.
Coetzee stil had the same old style when he fought Snipes, after the fight Renaldo himself thought he had lost but the verdict went to Snipes which ranks up as the worst decision given in the history of the sport.
Victories over Tate and Weaver would certainly look better on his record than losses, however ignoring all the IFs and BUTs the fact is both beat him clearly so there isn't much there to add to his 'greatness'.
I agree the Snipes decision was bad, but even had it gone the other way, a close points win over someone like Snipes isn't really gonna get someone in the top 16 heavyweights ever. Unless you are using different criteria to most of the rest of us.
RazorKO wrote:Only after Snipes did he start to become a skilled boxer and he showed it in his fights with LeDouz, the fight with Pinklon Thomas which I thought Coetzee deserved as he took most of the early rounds to win and of course the Dokes fight which showed him at his best. But after the Dokes fight he went back to his old style of non-jabbing brawler against Page and Coetzee should of continued to fight in the USA with U.S handlers.
So, even though he didn't have the ability to use his best assets you still think he is one of the greatest heavies EVER.
Too many IFs and BUTs and wishful thinking, Razor. If we made those sort of allowances for every fighter, we could come up with a top 10 that included the likes of Mike Weaver, Frank Bruno and Iron Fekkin Hague.
