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[Casablanca]

It was another incredible fight:

Erik Morales vs. Marco Antonio Barrera III (11-27-2004)

R1: 10-9 Barrera
R2: 10-9 Morales
R3: 10-10 Even
R4: 10-9 Barrera
R5: 10-9 Barrera
R6: 10-9 Barrera
R7: 10-9 Morales
R8: 10-9 Morales
R9: 10-9 Morales
R10: 10-9 Barrera
R11: 10-9 Morales
R12: 10-10 Even

115-115 Even

[Casablanca]

Chavez just could not deal with Martinez' speed until Martinez opted to try to finish him in the last round, essentially.

Sergio Martinez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (9-15-2012)

R1: 10-9 Martinez
R2: 10-9 Martinez
R3: 10-9 Martinez
R4: 10-9 Martinez
R5: 10-9 Martinez
R6: 10-9 Martinez
R7: 10-9 Martinez
R8: 10-9 Martinez
R9: 10-9 Martinez
R10: 10-9 Martinez
R11: 10-9 Martinez
R12: 10-8 Chavez Jr. (knockdown)

118-109 Martinez

Lastly, just an astounding performance from Miguel Cotto.

Sergio Martinez vs. Miguel Cotto (6-07-2014)

R1: 10-6 Cotto (three knockdowns)
R2: 10-9 Cotto
R3: 10-9 Cotto
R4: 10-9 Cotto
R5: 10-9 Martinez
R6: 10-9 Martinez
R7: 10-9 Cotto
R8: 10-9 Cotto
R9: 10-8 Cotto (knockdown)
Cotto wins by retirement

[witherspoon]

Barrera v Morales 1

R1 : 9-10 Morales strong start by MAB but EM more accurate and more consistent (muted commentary at this point, used to be good at filtering out the bs but too much vodka in me right now to be mentally flexible)

R2 : 10-9 Barrera 19-19 accurate power punches from MAB wins him the first 2 minutes with EM almost keeping up with him punch for punch but MAB pulls away in the last minute. EM took those flush power shots really well.

R3 : 9-10 Morales 28-29 EM out worked MAB, landed more punches and held centre of ring.

R4 : 10-10 38-39 first half to EM, controlled the range and outpunched MAB but MAB cut the ring off and trapped EM effectively in second half. EM too willing to engage close imo and surrenders advantage needlessly

R5 : 9-10 Morales 47-49 on sheer volume. Seems like he took that 4th round personal and was determined to prove that he could beat MAB at his own game.

R6 : 9-10 Morales 56-59 slightly busier in first 2 minutes but much more aggressive in last 30 seconds. Clear round for EM

R7 : 9-10 Morales 65-69 strong start by MAB, seemed like he was timing EM and counter punching very effectively but EM again just totally dominated him at close range in the second half

R8 : 10-9 Barrera 75-78 EM still trying to be the aggressor but slowed noticeably. Good counterpunching from MAB and then seals the deal in the last 10 seconds by going on the offensive. Feels like a turning point.

R9 : 10-9 Barrera 85-87 close round right up to the last 10 seconds but MAB always seemed to be in control of where the fight was happening and was more accurate throughout. EM seems like he has plenty of fight left in him though.

R10: 10-10 95-97 both looking tired and neither seemed to have enough energy to make a decisive move. MAB had the best punch of the round but I think EM landed enough to negate it.

R11: 9-10 Morales 104-107 toughest round of the fight for me to score, pretty even first half but EM controls the range of action really well, thanks to consistent use of the jab for the first time but MAB was never more than a step behind and finished the round strong

R12: 10-8 Barrera 114-115 competitive round for the first 2 minutes but definitely MAB more aggressive and forcing EM to fight on his terms. Don't agree with the knockdown call, but seeing as I have MAB winning the round, I have to give him the extra point

Morales 115-114

Wow, haven't watched this in over 20 years. Thanks to gil and numbers for bringing it to my attention.

Looking forward to 2 and 3, will try to score them while sober.

*"The only reason this hasn't been called a life and death fight by the fighters or their rabid supporters is that it is more important than that"

I'm not the biggest fan of Mr Merchant, but he does have his moments (although I question wether the use of the word rabid would have been deemed appropriate if the fans in question were based further North)

EDIT: seems like I'm way out of step with both numbers and gil on this one

[Casablanca]

Barrera v Morales 1

R1 : 9-10 Morales strong start by MAB but EM more accurate and more consistent (muted commentary at this point, used to be good at filtering out the bs but too much vodka in me right now to be mentally flexible)

R2 : 10-9 Barrera 19-19 accurate power punches from MAB wins him the first 2 minutes with EM almost keeping up with him punch for punch but MAB pulls away in the last minute. EM took those flush power shots really well.

R3 : 9-10 Morales 28-29 EM out worked MAB, landed more punches and held centre of ring.

R4 : 10-10 38-39 first half to EM, controlled the range and outpunched MAB but MAB cut the ring off and trapped EM effectively in second half. EM too willing to engage close imo and surrenders advantage needlessly

R5 : 9-10 Morales 47-49 on sheer volume. Seems like he took that 4th round personal and was determined to prove that he could beat MAB at his own game.

R6 : 9-10 Morales 56-59 slightly busier in first 2 minutes but much more aggressive in last 30 seconds. Clear round for EM

R7 : 9-10 Morales 65-69 strong start by MAB, seemed like he was timing EM and counter punching very effectively but EM again just totally dominated him at close range in the second half

R8 : 10-9 Barrera 75-78 EM still trying to be the aggressor but slowed noticeably. Good counterpunching from MAB and then seals the deal in the last 10 seconds by going on the offensive. Feels like a turning point.

R9 : 10-9 Barrera 85-87 close round right up to the last 10 seconds but MAB always seemed to be in control of where the fight was happening and was more accurate throughout. EM seems like he has plenty of fight left in him though.

R10: 10-10 95-97 both looking tired and neither seemed to have enough energy to make a decisive move. MAB had the best punch of the round but I think EM landed enough to negate it.

R11: 9-10 Morales 104-107 toughest round of the fight for me to score, pretty even first half but EM controls the range of action really well, thanks to consistent use of the jab for the first time but MAB was never more than a step behind and finished the round strong

R12: 10-8 Barrera 114-115 competitive round for the first 2 minutes but definitely MAB more aggressive and forcing EM to fight on his terms. Don't agree with the knockdown call, but seeing as I have MAB winning the round, I have to give him the extra point

Morales 115-114

Wow, haven't watched this in over 20 years. Thanks to gil and numbers for bringing it to my attention.

Looking forward to 2 and 3, will try to score them while sober.

*"The only reason this hasn't been called a life and death fight by the fighters or their rabid supporters is that it is more important than that"

I'm not the biggest fan of Mr Merchant, but he does have his moments (although I question wether the use of the word rabid would have been deemed appropriate if the fans in question were based further North)

EDIT: seems like I'm way out of step with both numbers and gil on this one

I don’t think that we are that far out in the sense that it makes a huge difference how one scores some of the really close rounds of this fight. Rounds one to four were all very close, for instance, whereas rounds five to seven were more clearly Morales rounds. I happened to have Barrera up three rounds to one going into that stretch, but it could very easily be two to two or three to one the other way, at which point things look quite different by the time the eighth round is reached. It was a brilliant fight and I feel alright with the narrowest of Morales victories, even if I go the other way.

It was a brilliant fight.

[gilgamesh]

Barrera v Morales 1



Wow, haven't watched this in over 20 years. Thanks to gil and numbers for bringing it to my attention.

Looking forward to 2 and 3, will try to score them while sober.

*"The only reason this hasn't been called a life and death fight by the fighters or their rabid supporters is that it is more important than that"

I'm not the biggest fan of Mr Merchant, but he does have his moments (although I question wether the use of the word rabid would have been deemed appropriate if the fans in question were based further North)

EDIT: seems like I'm way out of step with both numbers and gil on this one

You're not really that out of step with me. I love that fight, and have simply watched it as a fan numerous times without bothering to score it. All of those rounds are action packed to the hilt, and many of them could go either way.

I feel like it's appropriate that Morales won the War while Barrera won the Boxing match.

[witherspoon]

I don’t think that we are that far out in the sense that it makes a huge difference how one scores some of the really close rounds of this fight. Rounds one to four were all very close, for instance, whereas rounds five to seven were more clearly Morales rounds. I happened to have Barrera up three rounds to one going into that stretch, but it could very easily be two to two or three to one the other way, at which point things look quite different by the time the eighth round is reached. It was a brilliant fight and I feel alright with the narrowest of Morales victories, even if I go the other way.

It was a brilliant fight.

I think for me (at least on this watch) it all hangs on round 11, I actually watched that round again immediately as it ended because I couldn't quite fathom it. I just felt in my gut that it wasn't an even round but I wanted to be certain which way I was giving it.

[witherspoon]

I feel like it's appropriate that Morales won the War while Barrera won the Boxing match.

I saw you make this comment earlier in the thread and it makes total sense now that I've watched the fight.

[Casablanca]

I don’t think that we are that far out in the sense that it makes a huge difference how one scores some of the really close rounds of this fight. Rounds one to four were all very close, for instance, whereas rounds five to seven were more clearly Morales rounds. I happened to have Barrera up three rounds to one going into that stretch, but it could very easily be two to two or three to one the other way, at which point things look quite different by the time the eighth round is reached. It was a brilliant fight and I feel alright with the narrowest of Morales victories, even if I go the other way.

It was a brilliant fight.

I think for me (at least on this watch) it all hangs on round 11, I actually watched that round again immediately as it ended because I couldn't quite fathom it. I just felt in my gut that it wasn't an even round but I wanted to be certain which way I was giving it.

I just watched that round again. I agree that it was very, very close. I gave it to Barrera very narrowly when I watched it and was scoring the fight the other night.

You have two more fights/wars between Morales and Barrera now if you get to it.

[Casablanca]

Miguel Cotto vs. Saul Alvarez (11-21-2015)

R1: 10-9 Alvarez
R2: 10-9 Alvarez
R3: 10-9 Alvarez
R4: 10-9 Cotto
R5: 10-9 Alvarez
R6: 10-9 Alvarez
R7: 10-9 Alvarez
R8: 10-9 Alvarez
R9: 10-9 Cotto
R10: 10-9 Cotto
R11: 10-9 Alvarez
R12: 10-9 Alvarez

117-111 Alvarez

[witherspoon]

Marco Antonio Barrera v Erik Morales 2

R1 : 10-9 MAB
R2 : 10-9 MAB
R3 : 10-9 EM
R4 : 10-9 EM
R5 : 10-9 EM
R6 : 10-9 MAB
R7 : 10-9 MAB
R8 : 10-9 MAB
R9 : 10-9 MAB
R10: 10-9 EM
R11 : 10-9 MAB
R12: 10-9 MAB

116-112 Marco Antonio Barrera

I enjoyed this one even more than the first, my kind of fight.
I remembered that Morales slowed considerably around 8 or 9 first time round and I'm sure that Barrera fought the first half of the fight with that in mind. His defensive work in the first 4 rounds, in particular was excellent and I think enough to win him at least the first 2.

Even when his energy levels dropped slightly after round 2 I still felt that he was controlling the pace of the fight, and he did exactly as I expected when Morales got tired and Barrera started to box more aggressively.

Could have been a risky strategy though, because Morales did recover after that dip (as he did in fight 1) and I felt that the big game changer here was Morales swollen right eye.

But once again I have to say that Barrera capitalised on that disadvantage brilliantly. He didn't just spam left hooks at Morales' right side, he used more feints on that side to open up Morales on the left and also he'd shift his centre line way to Morales' right to land a straight right on his blind side.

All in all, a strategic and tactical masterclass by MAB, and if I'm honest I suspect that I might have been slightly biased towards him as he fought the kind of fight that I really admire watching.

[Ambling Alp II]

they had so many good, close rounds in their fights. They were all very competitive and hard to score.

[Casablanca]

Another great fight.

Timothy Bradley vs. Juan Manuel Marquez (10-12-2013)

R1: 10-9 Bradley
R2: 10-9 Marquez
R3: 10-9 Bradley
R4: 10-9 Marquez
R5: 10-9 Bradley
R6: 10-9 Bradley
R7: 10-9 Bradley
R8: 10-9 Bradley
R9: 10-9 Marquez
R10: 10-9 Bradley
R11: 10-9 Marquez
R12: 10-9 Bradley

116-112 Bradley

[gilgamesh]

Tim Witherspoon vs James "Bonecrusher" Smith

1. Spoon *
2. Spoon
3. Spoon
4. Spoon
5. Spoon
6. Spoon
7. Spoon
8. Spoon
9. Spoon
10. Spoon
11. Spoon
12. Spoon

120-108 A shutout for Tim Witherspoon

[witherspoon]

Marco Antonio Barrera v Erik Morales 3

R1 : 10-9 MAB
R2 : 10-10
R3 : 10-9 MAB
R4 : 10-9 MAB
R5 : 10-9 MAB
R6 : 10-9 MAB
R7 : 10-9 EM
R8 : 10-9 EM
R9 : 10-10
R10: 10-9 MAB
R11 : 10-9 EM
R12: 10-10


117-114 Marco Antonio Barrera

This one was a great fight to watch, enough of the rounds were so close that I could imagine coming up with a completely different outcome if I score this again at some point in the future.

[Casablanca]

Tim Witherspoon vs James "Bonecrusher" Smith

1. Spoon *
2. Spoon
3. Spoon
4. Spoon
5. Spoon
6. Spoon
7. Spoon
8. Spoon
9. Spoon
10. Spoon
11. Spoon
12. Spoon

120-108 A shutout for Tim Witherspoon

June 15, 1985. They met each other again during the Unification Series in December of ‘86 for Witherspoon’s WBA title.

[witherspoon]

Tim Witherspoon vs James "Bonecrusher" Smith

1. Spoon *
2. Spoon
3. Spoon
4. Spoon
5. Spoon
6. Spoon
7. Spoon
8. Spoon
9. Spoon
10. Spoon
11. Spoon
12. Spoon

120-108 A shutout for Tim Witherspoon

June 15, 1985. They met each other again during the Unification Series in December of ‘86 for Witherspoon’s WBA title.

Yeah let's just focus on that first fight, please

[Casablanca]

Tim Witherspoon vs James "Bonecrusher" Smith

1. Spoon *
2. Spoon
3. Spoon
4. Spoon
5. Spoon
6. Spoon
7. Spoon
8. Spoon
9. Spoon
10. Spoon
11. Spoon
12. Spoon

120-108 A shutout for Tim Witherspoon

June 15, 1985. They met each other again during the Unification Series in December of ‘86 for Witherspoon’s WBA title.

Yeah let's just focus on that first fight, please

Enjoyed your scorecards.

If you haven’t scored Holmes-Spinks I and II, Canelo vs. GGG I and II and Ward-Kovalev I, those are some fights for the ages which we could use more cards for, among others.

[witherspoon]

Enjoyed your scorecards.

If you haven’t scored Holmes-Spinks I and II, Canelo vs. GGG I and II and Ward-Kovalev I, those are some fights for the ages which we could use more cards for, among others.

I watched Holmes v Spinks 1 and 2 very recently, but I didn't score them.

I've never watched Ward v Kovalev 1.

I'm a bigger fan of G's than I am of Canelo, I'm not going to watch those fights.

I'll rewatch Holmes v Spinks and I'll watch Ward v Kovalev 1. Expect my cards soon.......after I've finished watching and scoring Barrera v Marquez

[Casablanca]

Enjoyed your scorecards.

If you haven’t scored Holmes-Spinks I and II, Canelo vs. GGG I and II and Ward-Kovalev I, those are some fights for the ages which we could use more cards for, among others.

I watched Holmes v Spinks 1 and 2 very recently, but I didn't score them.

I've never watched Ward v Kovalev 1.

I'm a bigger fan of G's than I am of Canelo, I'm not going to watch those fights.

I'll rewatch Holmes v Spinks and I'll watch Ward v Kovalev 1. Expect my cards soon.......after I've finished watching and scoring Barrera v Marquez

Very cool. Ward-Kovalev I is one of my all-time favorite fights. Definitely one which you have to see.

[witherspoon]

I've scored 3 of the first 6 rounds of Barrera v Marquez even. I hate even rounds

[Casablanca]

I've scored 3 of the first 6 rounds of Barrera v Marquez even. I hate even rounds

No worries. We are all enjoying your scores.

[witherspoon]

Marco Antonio Barrera v Juan Manuel Marquez

R1 : 10-9 MAB
R2 : 10-9 MAB
R3 : 10-10
R4 : 10-10
R5 : 9-10 JMM
R6 : 10-10
R7 : 9-10 JMM*
R8 : 10-9 MAB
R9 : 10-9 MAB
R10: 9-10 JMM
R11 : 9-10 JMM
R12: 9-10 JMM

115-116 Juan Manuel Marquez

*it was definitely a knockdown scored by Barrera, but he'd lost the round clearly. So I scored it a 10-10 round that becomes 10-9 Marquez after the point deducted. (Barrera definitely hit him while he was prone, so I will respect that)

[Casablanca]

Marco Antonio Barrera v Juan Manuel Marquez

R1 : 10-9 MAB
R2 : 10-9 MAB
R3 : 10-10
R4 : 10-10
R5 : 9-10 JMM
R6 : 10-10
R7 : 9-10 JMM
R8 : 10-9 MAB
R9 : 10-9 MAB
R10: 9-10 JMM
R11 : 9-10 JMM
R12: 10-9 JMM

115-116 Juan Manuel Marquez

I have still never seen this fight. I know that Marquez won by decision though.

[witherspoon]

Marco Antonio Barrera v Juan Manuel Marquez

R1 : 10-9 MAB
R2 : 10-9 MAB
R3 : 10-10
R4 : 10-10
R5 : 9-10 JMM
R6 : 10-10
R7 : 9-10 JMM
R8 : 10-9 MAB
R9 : 10-9 MAB
R10: 9-10 JMM
R11 : 9-10 JMM
R12: 10-9 JMM

115-116 Juan Manuel Marquez

I have still never seen this fight. I know that Marquez won by decision though.

Do yourself a favour and watch the fight. It's brilliant on a technical level.

[gilgamesh]

Tim Witherspoon vs Everett "Bigfoot" Martin

1. Martin
2. Martin
3. Spoon *
4. Martin
5. Spoon
6. Martin
7. Spoon *
8. Martin
9. Spoon
10. Spoon

I had it 95-95 even, but I had 2 close rounds that could've went either way that I gave to Witherspoon also.