Indiana Golden Gloves Predictions?

thevanillagorilla · Post by **thevanillagorilla** » 31 Jan 2007, 21:52

Just as the title says- anybody have any predictions?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 01 Feb 2007, 12:35

What are the dates and locations for the Indiana GG tournament? It will be difficult for anyone outside of Indiana to make any predictions as we will not even know who has entered (or will be entering) the tournament. I know that your buddy Ray Stallings will probably be the favorite in the 201 pound division.

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 01 Feb 2007, 18:04

The amateur program in Indiana has gone considerably weak. Stallings runs through the Golden Gloves no problem.

thevanillagorilla · Post by **thevanillagorilla** » 01 Feb 2007, 21:54

I agree- Indiana boxing has gone downhill in the past few years, but there is still some considerable talent there. Stallings for sure, Raymond Lucies from Muncie did ok at the PAL tourney, and Kevin O'Bryan in the super heavy division is set to make some noise on the national scene. Zach Willett at 178 is fearless but sloppy so that's up in the air. At 152 Travis Welsh could make waves, but he stays injured. The GG starts March 15 and runs every thursday for 6 weeks.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 02 Feb 2007, 16:21

Of the Indiana boxers that I have seen compete, I would say Ray Stallings and Raymond Lucies are the two with the best chances at a national tournament.

Roberts J · Post by **Roberts J** » 11 Feb 2007, 14:00

you think indiana is weak ? unfortunately chicago is too bright atm. prodominelty 178 - 201 + are the best fighters atm

stan · Post by **stan** » 11 Feb 2007, 15:48

The winners these days do not have to win many bouts.

The local golden glove champions have to win one, two and seldom three bouts to be champions. In the 80's you had to win 3 or 4 maybe 5 to be a Novice champ and 2, 3, or 4 to win an open title.

The smaller and heavier weights these days, many times go directly to the finals

This does not mean that they are not good but they don't have enough experience when they get to the next level or go pro.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 12 Feb 2007, 13:28

stan wrote:The winners these days do not have to win many bouts.

The local golden glove champions have to win one, two and seldom three bouts to be champions. In the 80's you had to win 3 or 4 maybe 5 to be a Novice champ and 2, 3, or 4 to win an open title.

The smaller and heavier weights these days, many times go directly to the finals

This does not mean that they are not good but they don't have enough experience when they get to the next level or go pro.

In the Michigan Golden Gloves, the turnout is very good and many Open boxers have to win 4 or 5 bouts to win a title. In recent years, we have had several boxers that have had to win 6 bouts to win the state title. The same is true for the novice champions.

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 14 Feb 2007, 17:26

stan wrote:The local golden glove champions have to win one, two and seldom three bouts to be champions. In the 80's you had to win 3 or 4 maybe 5 to be a Novice champ and 2, 3, or 4 to win an open title.

I've seen many Indiana Golden Gloves winners in recent years only have to go through one bout. Usually not a very competitive one at that. Needless to say, in many cases, it can be relatively easy to be a Golden Gloves champion now in Indiana. It's not exactly a hotbed for amateur boxing anymore.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 14 Feb 2007, 18:32

Boxing in general (pro and amateur) is not as popular as it once was. Even in Michigan where we still have an excellent Golden Gloves tournament, the turnout is not what it once was back in the 60's, 70's and even 80's. We still draw 1,500 - 2,500 per night, but from what I hear (I am not old enough to remember) it used to draw 5,000+. The older coaches also talk about boxers who used to have to box twice a day for several days of the tournament just to make it to the City finals and then on to the State finals. I don't think we are ever going to get back to that type of popularity, but we can hope and work hard to try.

I am happy to see that there is a principal in England who is bringing amateur boxing back into the schools. Maybe we could do that in the U.S. Here is a link to an article about the boxing in the schools: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A19430624
I am going to post it separately too.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Mar 2007, 14:59

thevanillagorilla wrote:The GG starts March 15 and runs every thursday for 6 weeks.

I hope you will post the results every Friday! At least the open-class results.

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 07 Mar 2007, 10:08

Does anybody have the results of the 2006 Golden Gloves? I've searched high and low for them. It would be appreciated if someone could either post or PM them. Thanks!

thevanillagorilla · Post by **thevanillagorilla** » 07 Mar 2007, 19:25

I'll post then every Friday as soon as they start. And BTW, did you want the 2006 Indiana Results?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 08 Mar 2007, 00:01

thevanillagorilla wrote:I'll post then every Friday as soon as they start. And BTW, did you want the 2006 Indiana Results?

It looks like npalboxing wants the 2006 results.

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 08 Mar 2007, 08:28

Dennis wrote:
thevanillagorilla wrote:I'll post then every Friday as soon as they start. And BTW, did you want the 2006 Indiana Results?
It looks like npalboxing wants the 2006 results.

I'd like to see 2007 as well since I won't be attending them this year (I didn't last year either unfortunately).

But yeah, I need to verify a couple results in 2006.

stan · Post by **stan** » 10 Mar 2007, 14:40

Just remember boxing is always better LIVE

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 12 Mar 2007, 08:54

stan wrote:Just remember boxing is always better LIVE

I don't deal in amateurs. Merely curious about the results. I was licensed to judge amateurs in Indiana for a little over a year but never saw one assignment. And that's okay because I've been doing pro fights in different parts of the country.

So yes... boxing is always better LIVE.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 14 Mar 2007, 12:37

It looks like the Indiana GG is ready to start tomorrow. I saw a listing for 19 bouts with no open-class bouts the first night. I take it that the Indiana GG has its registration a week or so ahead of the first night of competition. There are pros and cons to that approach. The one thing nice about it is the boxers know in advance whether they will be competing on the opening night and for those who aren't, they can continue to train hard and spar right on through the opening night.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 14 Mar 2007, 12:40

Now that the registration is over, does anyone have the bracket info for the open class?

Are Ray Stallings and Raymond Lucies going to be competing once, twice or more to win the title?

thevanillagorilla · Post by **thevanillagorilla** » 17 Mar 2007, 22:44

Dennis wrote:Now that the registration is over, does anyone have the bracket info for the open class?

Are Ray Stallings and Raymond Lucies going to be competing once, twice or more to win the title?

I do not have the brackets yet, but I do know that Ray stallings will be fighting on the finals night because he did receive the bye. As soon as I get the brackets, I'll post them.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 18 Mar 2007, 17:28

thevanillagorilla wrote:I do not have the brackets yet, but I do know that Ray stallings will be fighting on the finals night because he did receive the bye. As soon as I get the brackets, I'll post them.

Will Ray Stallings only have to box on April 19th to win the tournament?

thevanillagorilla · Post by **thevanillagorilla** » 20 Mar 2007, 21:39

Dennis wrote:
thevanillagorilla wrote:I do not have the brackets yet, but I do know that Ray stallings will be fighting on the finals night because he did receive the bye. As soon as I get the brackets, I'll post them.
Will Ray Stallings only have to box on April 19th to win the tournament?

Yes sir, Dennis. there are a total of three fighters at heavyweight and Ray got the bye.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 21 Mar 2007, 22:58

Are the other two 201# boxers any competition for Ray Stallings?

thevanillagorilla · Post by **thevanillagorilla** » 21 Mar 2007, 23:13

Dennis wrote:Are the other two 201# boxers any competition for Ray Stallings?

Of the two others, I am aware of only one with any experience. Richard Byrum(sp.) who is a three-time open champ and the other fellow is apparently making his intro to boxing.? Apparently, he has never fought and only been training for a couple months. As you know, it's an Olympic year and people come from nowhere.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 22 Mar 2007, 09:26

With Byrum winning the state tourney 3 times, it sounds like he might have boxed Stallings before. Have they boxed? If so, were they good competitive bouts?

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