John Mugabi vs Julian Jackson

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 04 Sep 2003, 08:14

Who would have won, assuming both fighters in their prime, at 154lbs?

John Mugabi v Julian Jackson

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 04 Sep 2003, 09:11

I agree. Mugabi was a better boxer and had a better chin. Jackson might have had slightly better one punch power, but I reckon Mugabi KO1.

The Keed · Post by **The Keed** » 04 Sep 2003, 10:50

Who did Mugabi ever KO to make people think he's such an all-time great KO artist??

Jackson would KO Mugabi. Mugabi may have had the better chin, but had poor defense and never proved that he could beat a quality fighter.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 04 Sep 2003, 12:09

Coming into his title fight with Hagler with a perfect 25-0 (25 KO) record John Mugabi had in the previous 2 years knocked out the following fighters:

-Former Light Middleweight and first nicaraguan champ Eddie Gazo
-Top 10 contender and USBA light middle champ Curtis Parker
-Top 10 contender James "Hard Rock" Green
-Top 10 Contender Frank "The Animal" Fletcher
-Nino Gonzales, who had previously lost a 10 round decision to Duran
-Top 10 contender Earl Hargrove, whom he knocked out in 1 and himself had an impressive 26-1 (25 KO record).

Thas why he was ranked #1 by both the WBA and WBC and Hagler had no choice but to give him the title shot.

I believe a fight with Jackson couldve gone either way. And it most certainly would have been a short night and fun to watch.
But even if you are absolutely sure Jackson would KO Mugabi, you don´t have to deny the amazing KO power of the man from Uganda in order to prove your point.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 04 Sep 2003, 14:04

Mugabi also knocked out a still dangerous Curtis Ramsey in one round. Just look at Ramsey's record on Boxrec.com. This proves Mugabi was quality. If you watch the tape of the fight he knocked Ramsey clean out of the ring with an overhand right, when both were in the ring CENTRE.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 04 Sep 2003, 14:12

knockout artist wrote:Mugabi also knocked out a still dangerous Curtis Ramsey in one round. Just look at Ramsey's record on Boxrec.com. This proves Mugabi was quality. If you watch the tape of the fight he knocked Ramsey clean out of the ring with an overhand right, when both were in the ring CENTRE.

Correct, and it took Julian Jackson 12 rounds to beat Curtis Ramsey two years after Mugabi had knocked him out in one. It was Ramsey's last fight and in between those two years he had gone 3-7. Thanks for bringing that up too.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 04 Sep 2003, 14:28

Broncano wrote:
knockout artist wrote:Mugabi also knocked out a still dangerous Curtis Ramsey in one round. Just look at Ramsey's record on Boxrec.com. This proves Mugabi was quality. If you watch the tape of the fight he knocked Ramsey clean out of the ring with an overhand right, when both were in the ring CENTRE.
Correct, and it took Julian Jackson 12 rounds to beat Curtis Ramsey two years after Mugabi had knocked him out in one. It was Ramsey's last fight and in between those two years he had gone 3-7. Thanks for bringing that up too.

Well spotted.

I think this settles it, Mugabi by KO early, although it would have been fun while it lasted.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 04 Sep 2003, 14:35

The real question is, who the hell did Jackson ever beat?

Terry Norris is the only really good fighter in his record that didn't beat the shit out of him.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 04 Sep 2003, 17:02

Broncano wrote:
knockout artist wrote:Mugabi also knocked out a still dangerous Curtis Ramsey in one round. Just look at Ramsey's record on Boxrec.com. This proves Mugabi was quality. If you watch the tape of the fight he knocked Ramsey clean out of the ring with an overhand right, when both were in the ring CENTRE.
Correct, and it took Julian Jackson 12 rounds to beat Curtis Ramsey two years after Mugabi had knocked him out in one. It was Ramsey's last fight and in between those two years he had gone 3-7. Thanks for bringing that up too.

Thinking back to the Mugabi - Ramsey fight. Did the referee fly out of the ring together with Ramsey?

Tyson50wins44ko · Post by **Tyson50wins44ko** » 04 Sep 2003, 21:13

I think Roid Jones Jr. is too busy posting on Boxing Addicts, and too busy editing (what, you may be asking... and that's a good question, since the answer is nothing.) to reply to the previous posts.

The Keed · Post by **The Keed** » 05 Sep 2003, 10:37

Kamikaze wrote:I think Roid Jones Jr. is too busy posting on Boxing Addicts, and too busy editing (what, you may be asking... and that's a good question, since the answer is nothing.) to reply to the previous posts.

You mean the posts that were posting just today?

Asshole.

Anyway, responding to the real posters here, Jackson beat Terry Norris, who went on to become a longtime champion, in just 2 rounds, with one punch; won titles in 2 divisions; and beat other noteworthy fighters such as Herol Graham (considered one of the better middleweights never to win the title), Buster Drayton (ex-champ), In Chul Baek (41-1 at the time, big KO record like Mugabi, and had never before been KO'd and wouldn't lose again until he moved up to super-middle 3 years later), and Thomas Tate (in his prime, and still a contender today at super-middle 50 years later). None of the guys mentioned here under Mugabi's name compares to that. And add to that list of Jackson's victims Dennis Milton (who had previously beaten Robbie Sims, Michael Olijade, and an unbeaten fellow named Gerald McClellan) and Agostino Cardamone (unbeaten at the time), and you have a pretty solid list of KO victims.

Almost every guy mentioned here under Mugabi's name was nearing the end of their careers and/or coming off recent KO losses. Every guy I listed there under Jackson's name, with the possible exception of Drayton, was clearly in their prime.

Mugabi's greatest accomplishment is a fight he lost. Like a number of Hagler's opponents, he was a top rated guy with a padded KO record who lost almost all other big fights in his career. And in fact, the only "big" fight Mugabi ever won was only when that French guy injured his ankle in the very first round. Then he went on to get destroyed by a guy Jackson had already beaten.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 05 Sep 2003, 10:56

Roid Jones Jr. wrote:
Mugabi's greatest accomplishment is a fight he lost. Like a number of Hagler's opponents, he was a top rated guy with a padded KO record who lost almost all other big fights in his career. And in fact, the only "big" fight Mugabi ever won was only when that French guy injured his ankle in the very first round. Then he went on to get destroyed by a guy Jackson had already beaten.

Julian Jackson was indeed an amazing one punch KO artist. But like I said before, it is unnecessary for you to downplay Mugabi's KO power to prove that. In fact, it just makes your whole argument look biased and invalid by being extremely unfair to Mugabi.

The Keed · Post by **The Keed** » 05 Sep 2003, 11:07

Broncano wrote:
Roid Jones Jr. wrote:
Mugabi's greatest accomplishment is a fight he lost. Like a number of Hagler's opponents, he was a top rated guy with a padded KO record who lost almost all other big fights in his career. And in fact, the only "big" fight Mugabi ever won was only when that French guy injured his ankle in the very first round. Then he went on to get destroyed by a guy Jackson had already beaten.
Julian Jackson was indeed an amazing one punch KO artist. But like I said before, it is unnecessary for you to downplay Mugabi's KO power to prove that. In fact, it just makes your whole argument look biased and invalid by being extremely unfair to Mugabi.

Why does it make me biased? I never said he couldn't hit... I just said he's never beaten anyone as good as Jackson, or KO'd as good fighters as Jackson has KO'd, both of which is true.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 05 Sep 2003, 11:24

It makes you biased by putting Mugabi in the same sack with fighters like Sibson, Scypion, Roldan, Obelmejias:

Like a number of Hagler's opponents, he was a top rated guy with a padded KO record who lost almost all other big fights in his career

...when his fight against Hagler was anything but a one sided beating. Which brings us to the question: Would Jackson last 11 rounds against Marvin?

The Keed · Post by **The Keed** » 05 Sep 2003, 11:35

Broncano wrote:It makes you biased by putting Mugabi in the same sack with fighters like Sibson, Scypion, Roldan, Obelmejias:
Like a number of Hagler's opponents, he was a top rated guy with a padded KO record who lost almost all other big fights in his career
...when his fight against Hagler was anything but a one sided beating. Which brings us to the question: Would Jackson last 11 rounds against Marvin?

Those guys all fought Hagler when he was younger, and Roldan gave him a tough fight too anyway.

"Would Jackson last 11 rounds against Marvin?"

What's the difference? They both would get KO'd an that's that.

Would Jackson get KO'd in 1 round by Terry Norris? We already know the answer to that one...

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 05 Sep 2003, 14:01

We have gotten a little away from the original question by comparing Mugabi's and Jackson's careers.

I guess you could say that Jackson had a better career overall. But that doesn't prove he would KO Mugabi as you have stated without hesitation. Good level of opposition or lack thereof is not a valid argument when predicting a mythical matchup outcome.
Even so, I still believe you are being unfair to Mugabi by saying he had a padded record. His career was noteworthy and he was always a pleasure to watch.

I stick to my original comment that a fight between these two guys could go either way. You're yet to give a convincing and valid argument on why Jackson would KO Mugabi

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 05 Sep 2003, 14:09

Broncano wrote:You're yet to give a convincing and valid argument on why Jackson would KO Mugabi

Because his nickname is "The Hawk" ??

The Keed · Post by **The Keed** » 05 Sep 2003, 15:00

Broncano wrote:You're yet to give a convincing and valid argument on why Jackson would KO Mugabi

I said flat out in the beginning it was Mugabi's lack of defense and comparative inexperience.

Then I threw in the part about Mugabi's lack of competition to boot.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 05 Sep 2003, 16:00

Mundine Rules wrote:
I said flat out in the beginning it was Mugabi's lack of defense and comparative inexperience.

Then I threw in the part about Mugabi's lack of competition to boot.

Ok, the lets take it from there.

How do you reckon Mugabi's defense or lack of it would be a more important factor than Jackson's suspect chin?
I still can't decide on that one and that's why its so difficult for me to make a prediction. Moreover, I fail to see the validity of that sole reason on which to base a KO with such absolute certainty. Feel free to elaborate on that...

The Keed · Post by **The Keed** » 05 Sep 2003, 16:19

Broncano wrote:
Ok, the lets take it from there.

How do you reckon Mugabi's defense or lack of it would be a more important factor than Jackson's suspect chin?

Because you have to hit the chin first.

But if the other guy's defense isn't good, he won't get a chance to land.

On top of that, we've seen Jackson in tough fights with "dangerous" fighters like Mugabi and he always came out on top, until age caught up with him against Gerald McClellan. On the other hand, Mugabi has never proven that he can come out on top with an animal like Jackson, and has failed any time he came close to trying.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 05 Sep 2003, 16:32

I suppose he was highly aged when he got whacked my Mike McCallum too...

I'm surprised you haven't added a "Controversial Stoppage" caption to that fight.

The Keed · Post by **The Keed** » 05 Sep 2003, 16:36

Tantum wrote:I suppose he was highly aged when he got whacked my Mike McCallum too...

No, he was inexperienced at the time, as one of the Mugabi rooters here already pointed out.

Now, McCallum is a FAR superior fighter to Mugabi, and much different one too... so what the fornicate is your point??

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 05 Sep 2003, 16:59

My point is you suck the dick of any man who goes by the name "Hawk".

The Keed · Post by **The Keed** » 05 Sep 2003, 17:09

Tantum wrote:My point is you suck the dick of any man who goes by the name "Hawk".

Oh really? Since when the fornicate was I fan of Julian Jackson, asshole??