Odlanier Solis

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 25 Apr 2007, 03:45

Odlanier Solis makes his debut this Friday, as an ex-cuban olympian he should be a decent addition to the heavyweight ranks, his handlers must think so as he's been matched with Andreas Sidon, who although old, is a very decent opponent for someones debut.

Anyone know info on Solis? Do you think he can make it in the pro's?

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 25 Apr 2007, 04:30

Old bones Ian wrote:Odlanier Solis makes his debut this Friday, as an ex-cuban olympian he should be a decent addition to the heavyweight ranks, his handlers must think so as he's been matched with Andreas Sidon, who although old, is a very decent opponent for someones debut.

Anyone know info on Solis? Do you think he can make it in the pro's?

solis picked the perfect time to defect from cuba!! the HW ranks are at their weakest since AT LEAST the early 1960s when patterson got crushed by sonny liston!! the fact that he is being matched very tough in his pro debut shows me that, like fellow olympian alexander povetkin, solis is on the fast track to a HW title shot!! given the weakened state of HWs, i can see these 2 each holding world belts by 2009 and by then the closest thing to quality HWs, the klitschko brothers will be 33 and 38 respectively!!

his chart at boxrec lists him as 27 and 6'5" tall, but the picture at fightnews.com shows him next to herbie hide, who looks taller but is only 6'2"!! could be a bad camera angle, but if its true he is only 1" shorter than wlad!!

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 25 Apr 2007, 04:42

I dont think size will play a part in it. Either hes a good amateur who turns sh#tty pro (Audley), or a rare modern exception and a good amateur who also becomes a good pro. Cubans dont have a great track record in the pro ranks, so lets not cum in our pants too early.

I remember Haye nearly icing him in 1 and this was with big gloves and headguards....

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 25 Apr 2007, 10:32

I think the more recent cubans have a better chance of making it as pros for two reasons

1) the pros talent pool isnt as big as it was, expecially at the heavier end
2) Cuba is not as "communist" as it used to be. Modern cubans, whilst poor, have had more exposure to capitalism so are less likely to go completely crazy when they start making some dough...

Solis was a great amateur... although not unbeatable...he lost to a few russians... Romanchuk beat him and I think Alekseev beat him or came close a few times.

Not overly big for a heavyweight, no way he is 6 5, definately no more than 6'3... i guess he will weigh about 230.

Yes, Haye nearly dropped him in a round, but he came back and beat Haye.....

The Blade · Post by **The Blade** » 25 Apr 2007, 14:15

knockout wrote:I think the more recent cubans have a better chance of making it as pros for two reasons

1) the pros talent pool isnt as big as it was, expecially at the heavier end
2) Cuba is not as "communist" as it used to be. Modern cubans, whilst poor, have had more exposure to capitalism so are less likely to go completely crazy when they start making some dough...

Solis was a great amateur... although not unbeatable...he lost to a few russians... Romanchuk beat him and I think Alekseev beat him or came close a few times.

Not overly big for a heavyweight, no way he is 6 5, definately no more than 6'3... i guess he will weigh about 230.

Yes, Haye nearly dropped him in a round, but he came back and beat Haye.....

not only beat him, beat the crap out of him. Which tells us all we need to know about Haye's heavyweight pretentions.

sweetscience · Post by **sweetscience** » 25 Apr 2007, 15:50

beat the crap out of him and stopped him didnt he ?

althou that was at cruiserish ??????

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 25 Apr 2007, 17:16

sweetscience wrote:beat the crap out of him and stopped him didnt he ?

althou that was at cruiserish ??????

Haye was knackered.... he went for broke and nearly did it....As he has shown since he has plenty of balls but sometimes dodgy stamina.

it was at 91kg although i believe Haye was probably giving away about 5kg to Solis. Haye hadnt long moved up from 81kg.

Solis didnt stay at 91kg much longer.

Looking at what Chagaev and Povetkin are doing you would expect Solis to do something similar..... Although as already noted the amateur game is different to the pros in so many ways

sweetscience · Post by **sweetscience** » 25 Apr 2007, 17:26

but the cubans dont have what us brits call the amatuer style ie robots

they are elusive hands low

althou they do look for the single shot opposed to heavy clusters

i think they will all do well

if you are a top boxer you are a top boxer, we use audley as an example of good ams not making good pros, but for every ten pro's who wernt top notch am's i will give you 50 who were also top ams (if that made sense)

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 25 Apr 2007, 17:45

Do you think though that the eastern europeon style is more suited to the pro's , its flat footed and works behind a solid jab, with right hand following. In a longer pro fight that style is more effective because you don't wear out so soon.
The Cuban style of alot of movement and punches in bunches works really well in the amatuer ranks over the shorter distance, but doesn't translate so well in the pro game.

sweetscience · Post by **sweetscience** » 25 Apr 2007, 18:04

to be honest all we can do is wait and see

not that many have defected, esp this many gold medalists

and i think cause they will sell fook all tickets they will test them fairly quickly cause they wont be able to milk them on a load bums cause NO ONE will be insterested

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 26 Apr 2007, 04:40

sweetscience wrote:but the cubans dont have what us brits call the amatuer style ie robots

they are elusive hands low

althou they do look for the single shot opposed to heavy clusters

i think they will all do well

if you are a top boxer you are a top boxer, we use audley as an example of good ams not making good pros, but for every ten pro's who wernt top notch am's i will give you 50 who were also top ams (if that made sense)

5 top-notch cuban amateurs who didnt make it in the pros---jorge luis gonzalez, ramon garbey, pedro carrion (now 6-1, with loss to fellow novice with NO amateur experience), yamplier azcuy and juan carlos gomez (who was KOd in 1st by azcuy, who fights pro as yanqui diaz)!!

in fact, you will notice that ALL THOSE GUYS ARE EITHER HWs or cruisers!! that's a VERY BAD TRACK RECORD, so if solis ends up making major impact as pro...HE WILL BE THE 1ST CUBAN BIG MAN TO DO THAT SINCE NINO VALDEZ, WHO PREDATES CASTRO's takeover in early 1960s!!

the more i think about it, the more i am starting to doubt my earlier praise of solis!!

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 26 Apr 2007, 04:46

I wouldn't say Juan Carlos Gomez didn't make it in the pros. Yes his heavyweight career has been a disappointment but he has the skills to be one of the best, plus he was a monster at cruiser

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 26 Apr 2007, 05:48

Riddick Bowe turned in one of his best performances beating Jorge Luis Gonzalez, there were people predicting that Gonzalez would beat a fat Bowe.
But Riddick came into the fight in good shape, and completly dominated Gonzalez before knocking him out in the 6th.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 26 Apr 2007, 06:04

Thats true, nobody really knew what to make of Gonzalez at that point. A lot of his fights were criticised but everybody knew he was huge and could punch. Boxing Monthly only just sided with Bowe to "still be standing when the dust settles" and that was based on his experience.

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 26 Apr 2007, 06:14

overhand_right wrote:Thats true, nobody really knew what to make of Gonzalez at that point. A lot of his fights were criticised but everybody knew he was huge and could punch. Boxing Monthly only just sided with Bowe to "still be standing when the dust settles" and that was based on his experience.

having seen gonzalez fight numerous times on undercard TV bouts (fox sports mostly), i was amazed at how amateurish a guy with nearly 300 amateur fights and 2 pan american games gold medals REALLY WAS!! i know BM is a reputable mag, but that writer probably saw VERY FEW of jorge luis' pre-bowe fiascos on basic american cable channels (non-HBO or showtime)!!

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 26 Apr 2007, 06:16

Lenny wrote:I wouldn't say Juan Carlos Gomez didn't make it in the pros. Yes his heavyweight career has been a disappointment but he has the skills to be one of the best, plus he was a monster at cruiser

you have inspired me to change the title of my thread in CURRENT SCENE from "RETHINKING SOLIS AND OTHER CUBAN BIG MEN!!" to "...OTHER CUBAN HEAVIES!!"

thanks!!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 26 Apr 2007, 06:53

shoutout wrote:
sweetscience wrote:but the cubans dont have what us brits call the amatuer style ie robots

they are elusive hands low

althou they do look for the single shot opposed to heavy clusters

i think they will all do well

if you are a top boxer you are a top boxer, we use audley as an example of good ams not making good pros, but for every ten pro's who wernt top notch am's i will give you 50 who were also top ams (if that made sense)
5 top-notch cuban amateurs who didnt make it in the pros---jorge luis gonzalez, ramon garbey, pedro carrion (now 6-1, with loss to fellow novice with NO amateur experience), yamplier azcuy and juan carlos gomez (who was KOd in 1st by azcuy, who fights pro as yanqui diaz)!!

in fact, you will notice that ALL THOSE GUYS ARE EITHER HWs or cruisers!! that's a VERY BAD TRACK RECORD, so if solis ends up making major impact as pro...HE WILL BE THE 1ST CUBAN BIG MAN TO DO THAT SINCE NINO VALDEZ, WHO PREDATES CASTRO's takeover in early 1960s!!

the more i think about it, the more i am starting to doubt my earlier praise of solis!!

Your statement on JC Gomez is pig ignorance.

Gomez was an outstanding cruiserweight who held his title over ten defenses. He had fast hands, power, slickness and a wicked body attack. Sadly he became a fat lazy useless heavyweight but that's not to denigrte his whole career.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 26 Apr 2007, 14:13

Translation.

Just by 18 years of age, youthful the world-wide champion of the 91 kg, Odlanier Soli's, it jumped to the world-wide fame when defeating twice to the legendary Felix Savón in the end of “Playa Girón” of 1999 and of the 2000, being on the verge of snatching his passage to him to the Olympic Games of Sydney 2000.

Four years later, having in his salary Pan-American gold, two world-wide championships and other many matches, Soli's it arrived at the Games of Athens 2004 like the great favorite and with the aspiration to obtain the Glass Val Baker who grants to the boxer technician more.

Its Olympic debut was against the most dangerous rival, the Russian Alexander Alekseev, before whom Soli's had to resort to all their technical device. Alekseev was a strong pegador with both hands but his to box very unemployed it caused that the Cuban was brilliant with his movements of torso and their side steps. The judges marked their favor 3-2, 7-6, 5-5 and 9-8 the four assaults, reflections of the intense one to struggle.

“Very I was pressed for this fight, to make debut against my main rival was not game thing, although I was more active than in Thailand”, he said to the reporters. Soli's, of 24 years, under the quadrilateral with a cut in its left eye by a blow of its rival. “I neglected in the end but I go away contented with my fight, no of which is is better than the Russian, to the majority I have won to them, but I cannot either trust”.

Its aspiration in these Games was to gain the Glass more Val Baker to the boxer technician. He had two easy fights before the end before bielorruso Viktar Zuyev, with that carried out a combat that very began balance with European a little more determined, although the Cuban finished the first assault with a slight advantage from 6 to 5 in the score of the judges, gradually was increasing his advantage, that knew to manage assault in the last to finalize 22-13 in its favor.

At the moment Soli's confronts problems to make the 91 kg and is incursionando in the Super category of the Heavy ones, where his compatriot Michel Lopez Núñez, medallista of bronze of Athens, has become his main stumbling block.

His amateur record from the same site.

http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/index.html

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 26 Apr 2007, 15:22

Didn't realise Gomez made 10 defences of anything at Cruiserweight but he did look good. I think the way he dismantled Pietro Aurino impressed me most, Aurino is no mug as he showed the way he was dealing with Marco Huck before the fiasco. Gomez was a very good at Cruiser but never reproduced the goods when he moved north.

E · Post by E » 26 Apr 2007, 16:32

Solis weights 258 for debut!
Cuban 2004 Olympic heavyweight gold medalist Odlanier Solis weighed in today nearly 60 lbs. heavier than his Olympic fighting weight (200 lbs.) for his pro debut Saturday night at the Arena Gym in Hamburg. Solis, who scaled in at 258 lbs, will face 44-year-old reigning German heavyweight titleholder Andreas Sidon in a four-rounder. The experienced Sidon (32-7, 26 KOs), who at 6'5 1/2" is 4 1/2" taller than Solis, weighed in 14 lbs less at 234 lbs.

FAT BASTARD!

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 27 Apr 2007, 03:32

I wonder if the extra money has already effected his dedication? 6ft 1 and 258, another fat heavy just what we need

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 27 Apr 2007, 04:08

Lenny wrote:I wonder if the extra money has already effected his dedication? 6ft 1 and 258, another fat heavy just what we need

damn, overweight and blinged up... not a good sign...

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 27 Apr 2007, 05:08

Yep.. the warning signs are there even before his pro debut.

Jorge Luis Gonzalez Jr.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 27 Apr 2007, 05:12

shoutout wrote: having seen gonzalez fight numerous times on undercard TV bouts (fox sports mostly), i was amazed at how amateurish a guy with nearly 300 amateur fights and 2 pan american games gold medals REALLY WAS!! i know BM is a reputable mag, but that writer probably saw VERY FEW of jorge luis' pre-bowe fiascos on basic american cable channels (non-HBO or showtime)!!

Haha. Possibly. But Glyn Leach (the BM editor) was obsessed with Gonzalez, and wanted him to become the ultimate boxing bad guy. I think he saw some Rocky styled apocalyptic battle between the giant Cuban communist (even though he wasnt a communist) v the newly released american Tyson for the undisputed title, probably on July 4th and star spangled what-have-you.

In fairness by 94 Gonzalez was looking pretty dangerous, talking about the guy who would talk & laugh with the audience as he was bludgeoning Mike Evans and Bryan Scott et al.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 27 Apr 2007, 05:36

There's not many boxers that can take a full-bloodied Haye uppercut and not go down. Solis did.

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