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Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 09 May 2009, 10:58
by DG.
If it gets to court we will see.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 09 May 2009, 12:40
by chesh
From the article DG linked to:
"The Preacher never had a written contract but was always given around 10 per cent of the Hitman’s purse in a gentleman’s agreement.
But Graham believes he is owed 10 per cent of Hatton’s earnings, totalling millions."
The article hardly makes it clear what - if anything - Billy is owed, as it seems to say he should have been paid ten percent and was always paid ten percent! Either the journalist isn't sure, has omitted a word such as "overall", "subsequent" or "future" (before "earnings"), or it's just sloppy writing.
As it stands, it could be interpreted in various ways:
BG was paid 10%, but believes he is still owed 10% as the agreed %age was 20;
BG's "gentleman's agreement" extended to the end of RH's career, so he is owed 10% of RH's earnings since their split;
BG was paid 10% of RH's guaranteed purses, but is still owed 10% of the additional revenues (PPV profits), as their agreement was for 10% of RH's total ring earnings, not just the guaranteed portion of the purses.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 09:34
by Counter-puncher
Carbo wrote:OH DEAR GOD THIS FORUM IS POPULATED BY COMPLETE RETARDS. I CAN COUNT, LIKE, TEN POSTERS WHO HAVE BRAINS. MAXIMUM
Now you've read that, you can go back to your whopping and hollerin' about "the excuses coming out".
HAHAHHAAAA AHAHAAAHAHAAAA
i am wondering what the view is like from there, what with your head so far up your own arse that your eyelashes are probably tickling your gallbladder 
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 12:54
by DG.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 13:01
by rhino222
Spud wrote:Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:Spud wrote:Another mistake in my opinion from Team Hatton was allowing Kerry Kayes to leave the camp a while back - I have spoken to Kerry at length on a couple of occasions and I am completely and utterly stunned Kayes was not begged to stay!!! - not only did Kayes bring his outstanding expertise to Hatton - in addition he bought the person Kerry Kayes which might be silly thing to state - but whilst others in the team flapped like f*ck that their postions were being threatened - Kayes brought much needed professionalism but even more important a lot of humour to the camp.
For me amongst some of the errors - one big serious complete and utter f*ck up on Team Hatton was no longing insisting Kayes was part of the camp!!!
From what I understand, Spud, it wasn't their choice?
In my most humble opinion they did not do a lot to persuade Kerry Kayes to stay!!!
why did he not want to stay spud, and why did they not insist he stay? were his (kayes) financial demands too much for team hatton to think that he was worth it.?
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 13:09
by DG.
rhino222 wrote:
why did he not want to stay spud, and why did they not insist he stay? were his (kayes) financial demands too much for team hatton to think that he was worth it.?
Kerry Kayes was never paid a penny.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 13:11
by hurlock
promoted cnp well enough though
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 13:11
by leforge
Accoding to Boing news Hatton not spoken to Billy graham since. Hatton should retire now.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 13:18
by stujones
Counter-puncher wrote:stujones wrote:I thought Hatton looked great in the weigh in for the Malignaggi fight, for this one though he looked not only gaunt but pale... and he looked pale in the fight.
hatton looked pale? stop the presses :) ;;-)
What I meant was he looked practically the same as at the weigh in... normally he has a bit more colour and looks sharp.
I actually thought he looked excellent in the build up to the Malignaggi fight. I thought he looked ripped to shreds in the weigh in, and then looked healthy in the fight. I didn't think he looked healthy this time in the fight, or quite a ripped in the weigh in.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 13:41
by Spud
rhino222 wrote: why did he not want to stay spud, and why did they not insist he stay? were his (kayes) financial demands too much for team hatton to think that he was worth it.?
Financial Demands from Kayes???
I dont think so - you should ask Kerry - he may tell you - you will be stunned by his reply.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 19:45
by gobbles
DG. wrote:gobbles wrote:What the hell has whether he was properly hydrated or not got to do with what happened?
He got smashed inside two rounds, had he run out of steam later on, maybe it would have made a difference. Hatton couldn't cope with Pacquiao's speed, nor his southpaw style.
As for Billy Graham, he is absolutely detested by Hatton. If there ever had been any hope that Hatton and Graham could patch up some sort of relationship, that ended when Graham went to the Malignaggi fight and spent the entire week getting pissed in the MGM Grand bar and shouting his mouth off to the media. And then, the week before Hatton-Pacquiao, he starts suing Hatton. What a pal he is. The only person Billy Graham is interested in is Billy Graham.
Graham can shout his mouth off to friendly websites all he wants, but it was Hatton that made Graham, not the other way round.
I side with Graham, at least he showed he cared for Hatton.
Beause you sue someome may be as simple as you were 'wronged' - maybe they did not pay Graham what he was owed, do you know?
Either way, Hatton has let BG down by allowing all and sundry ( well Mayweather really) to say BG was poop and Hatton said eff all in his defence.
Hatton is nothing without Graham/Kayes,imo.
I am sure Hattton would have lastd longer with Graham in his corner, maybe 6-7 rounds then the towel comes in or he retires on his stool.
Billy Graham is to Hatton what Brian Hughes is to his fighters, looks out for them and cares more than perhaps he should.
Plus, anyone with a surname starting G is fine by me (well, nearly anyone).
GOD
Marcus Garvey
Ghandi
Godzilla
Didn't Graham said Hatton would win inside 8? Now he's saying he would never have taken the fight.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 19:53
by confirmation
Spud wrote:rhino222 wrote: why did he not want to stay spud, and why did they not insist he stay? were his (kayes) financial demands too much for team hatton to think that he was worth it.?
Financial Demands from Kayes???
I dont think so - you should ask Kerry - he may tell you - you will be stunned by his reply.
Thinly veiled "I-know-something-you-don't" comment by Spud as usual. F*ck off with these types of comments mate.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 20:00
by gobbles
confirmation wrote:Spud wrote:rhino222 wrote: why did he not want to stay spud, and why did they not insist he stay? were his (kayes) financial demands too much for team hatton to think that he was worth it.?
Financial Demands from Kayes???
I dont think so - you should ask Kerry - he may tell you - you will be stunned by his reply.
Thinly veiled "I-know-something-you-don't" comment by Spud as usual. F*ck off with these types of comments mate.
Kerry told me they wanted him to stay, but he wanted to show loyalty to Graham. He was in the corner with Matthew this time, though.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 10 May 2009, 20:05
by confirmation
gobbles wrote:
Kerry told me they wanted him to stay, but he wanted to show loyalty to Graham. He was in the corner with Matthew this time, though.
This is the part where Spud comes in and tells us thats not the full story and that there might be more to the story.
Billy Graham gets the excuses out.
Posted: 10 May 2009, 21:09
by WayoftheCass
Just read this:
http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=19838
Its just the usual crap isn't it. Has any fighter ever legitimately won a fight? Nah there is always some bullshit excuse from the trainer, manager or fighter himself. So Hatton got a virus against Lazcano and he also had one against Urango?
Utter bollocks. A) What exact virus was it Dr Graham? I mean don't fighters have to pass a medical before they can fight? Even at that it was probably a slight head cold or sinus infection. Hardly a bloody virus. Lets say it was a virus. So it lasts for 2-3 days max. On that basis an 8 week training camp is put into disarray and only by the grace of God does the fighter manager to do 12 action packed rounds and comfortably win the fight? Yeah very good. Tell us another one.
Its just all BS. I notice how Graham conveniently forgets to remind us that Hatton had always struggled with southpaws (see Magee and Collazo) and indeed had been on the canvas heavily and badly shaken up by Magee. So we're meant to believe that he has nightmares with those 2 when at his peak but could have handled Manny Pcquiao easily? Yeah right.
Its just so typical of boxing trainers. I mean the Kerry Kayes stuff is laughable. Talking about drinking loads of water and pissing like a racehorse as if that was a factor in Hatton getting knocked out in 2 rounds. Aren't there like hundreds of approaches and techniques for conditioning? Are we to believe that Mayweather Snr as idiotic as he is has been a pro fighters himself and worked with ODLH and Guzman but completely neglects them? Just how big a factor is conditioning in a 2 round fight anyway?
I'm just so fed up with this kind of nonsense. Its like after every big fight someone associated with the beaten fighter comes out with all of this crap about how things would have been different if the moons of Jupiter had aligned, Cher was number 1 in the charts and ultimately the defeated man had been more talented and a better boxer.
I remember George Foreman saying that its very rare for a training camp to ever go 100% well.There's always something that goes wrong; bad sparring : a cut: a cold: an injured muscle: a damaged knuckle etc, etc. Its the same for every fighter.
What makes Graham's laments ultimately flawed is that he says he would have pulled Hatton out of the Lazcano fight if he could have so he's basically admitting that he knowingly took an ill fighter into a fight and didn't do anything about it. Therefore the pay cheque meant more than his 'great friend's' health did it? Billy never at any point thought that no longer having the power to decide if your own charge was in good enough health to compete in a 12 round fight in front of 50,000 people, constituted a reason to quit?
I admire Billy Graham a lot and thought he got somewhat rear ended by Team Hatton in the way Mayweather Snr was given free range to constantly insult him. However stuff like this just makes it very hard to take him seriously.He's not the 1st to come out with bullshit like this. Manny Steward I remember in a recent interview attributed Tommy Hearns's loss to Hagler as being down to an unauthorised person in the dressing room massaging Hearns calves in the hour leading up to the ring walk.
Yeah right Manny that's why Hagler nearly put your charge through the canvas. Honestly are these people so deluded that they think even a reasonably intelligent person is gonna buy that. Just lose gracefully for crying out loud.
To paraphrase one of my favourite movie lines:
Sometimes the bullshit piles up so fast in boxing you would need wings to stay above it.
Re: Billy Graham gets the excuses out.
Posted: 11 May 2009, 01:06
by Deserter
WayoftheCass wrote: Its like after every big fight someone associated with the beaten fighter comes out with all of this crap about how things would have been different if the moons of Jupiter had aligned, Cher was number 1 in the charts and ultimately the defeated man had been more talented and a better boxer.
I remember George Foreman saying that its very rare for a training camp to ever go 100% well.There's always something that goes wrong; bad sparring : a cut: a cold: an injured muscle: a damaged knuckle etc, etc. Its the same for every fighter.
I'm laughing as it's a very funny way to highlight an undoubted home truth. As you've touched on, the concept of a 'perfect' training camp is a flawed one anyway - the reality of life is that things will go wrong given the high number of variables involved, whether this is something as mundane as trying to get to an appointment but getting stuck in traffic, through to trying to stick to a fitness routine and getting derailed by an injury.
This is obviously even more the case in a high-pressured environment like a training camp, where the individual is operating on the limit, both physically and pyschologically, and is therefore more 'vulnerable'.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 11 May 2009, 01:08
by oliverfennell
Terry D wrote:See BBN interview with Kayes/Graham for quotes on this, cannot post it as it will get classed as spam.
Why? It used to be OK. I realise a lot of BBN links get posted on here, but what's wrong with that? First of all, a lot of BBN writers post here. Secondly, they're all well known on the board, generally respected and post on a wide range of things, not just their own site/articles. Thirdly, I can't remember anyone complaining about BBN links, so where's the problem??
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 11 May 2009, 02:25
by Spud
confirmation wrote:gobbles wrote:
Kerry told me they wanted him to stay, but he wanted to show loyalty to Graham. He was in the corner with Matthew this time, though.
This is the part where Spud comes in and tells us thats not the full story and that there might be more to the story.
Ahh another new name comes in to start some slagging - listen you ****!!! - the thing is I do know something but the law and common sense says go so far but no further - as for your "Spud tells us" - is this this desperation to get support from the remainder of the forum?? - why not speak for yourself??
Yet another coward who has to come in under a name so no one knows him!!! - and you have the cheek to have a pop at me!!!
Re: Billy Graham gets the excuses out.
Posted: 11 May 2009, 02:28
by Spud
Billy Graham does not deserve a slagging here - not at all!!!
And as for pulling Hatton out of any fight - that would have come down to Hatton himself and his father - no one else no matter what opinions other people had.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 11 May 2009, 02:43
by Spud
oliverfennell wrote:Terry D wrote:See BBN interview with Kayes/Graham for quotes on this, cannot post it as it will get classed as spam.
Why? It used to be OK. I realise a lot of BBN links get posted on here, but what's wrong with that? First of all, a lot of BBN writers post here. Secondly, they're all well known on the board, generally respected and post on a wide range of things, not just their own site/articles. Thirdly, I can't remember anyone complaining about BBN links, so where's the problem??
Just want to pick up on this - I honestly believe boxrec are making a mistake here - BBN are a good site and I see nothing wrong with posting their links on this site.
The only thing I can think of why this has happened is - If a forum like this posts a link to a site and within that article contains possible libellous, or dodgy comments then they are as guilty if proven so as the original site where the article originated from and thus it seems there is a bigger picture here in that a promoter or an individual has complained in the past and all boxrec are doing is protecting themselves - that is the only thing I can think of for this move.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 11 May 2009, 03:03
by oliverfennell
Spud wrote:oliverfennell wrote:Terry D wrote:See BBN interview with Kayes/Graham for quotes on this, cannot post it as it will get classed as spam.
Why? It used to be OK. I realise a lot of BBN links get posted on here, but what's wrong with that? First of all, a lot of BBN writers post here. Secondly, they're all well known on the board, generally respected and post on a wide range of things, not just their own site/articles. Thirdly, I can't remember anyone complaining about BBN links, so where's the problem??
Just want to pick up on this - I honestly believe boxrec are making a mistake here - BBN are a good site and I see nothing wrong with posting their links on this site.
The only thing I can think of why this has happened is - If a forum like this posts a link to a site and within that article contains possible libellous, or dodgy comments then they are as guilty if proven so as the original site where the article originated from and thus it seems there is a bigger picture here in that a promoter or an individual has complained in the past and all boxrec are doing is protecting themselves - that is the only thing I can think of for this move.
Perhaps a mod can clarify? Fair enough is there's a particular article that they feel nervous about, but labelling the entire site spam is a bit uncalled for, as I feel not only are the articles posted here almost always valuable, the writers and management of the site do also conduct themselves well in terms of how they post any such articles.
Re: Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight merged
Posted: 11 May 2009, 03:05
by DavidPayne
By the way....didn't Pacman do well.
Re: Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight merged
Posted: 11 May 2009, 03:44
by Khaosai-Galaxy
DavidPayne wrote:By the way....didn't Pacman do well.
quiet, you
Re: Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight merged
Posted: 11 May 2009, 03:51
by DavidPayne
I like to be contrary when I can.
I mean its a miracle Hatton made it up the ring-steps really, he only had 4 months notice, could have picked any trainer, gym, team, programme on the planet.
Hatton made ALL the decisions. Nobody forced Mayweather on him, they may have encouraged the notion but Hatton is master of his own destiny, he's MD of his own career.
Whatever happened in camp is Hatton's fault, whether it be weight, focus, strategy, stamina, trainer, nutrition, location, sparring etc.
Ricky hires and fires.
He's proved that. He had a taster run with Mayweather last year and talked endlessly about how he should have done it sooner, how he'd got worse under Graham how Mayweather had him improving and remembering his skills.
Pacman won the fight because he is quicker, fitter, hungrier, better prepared, better tactics, more skilled, faster footwork and hits harder - and he was responsible for all of those factors directly or throught the employment of qualified personnel. Something Raith Hatton isn't really.
They are good at making money though.
Re: Turned Out Hatton DID Have Serious Problems at the Weight
Posted: 11 May 2009, 06:08
by danny harding
Spud wrote:oliverfennell wrote:Terry D wrote:See BBN interview with Kayes/Graham for quotes on this, cannot post it as it will get classed as spam.
Why? It used to be OK. I realise a lot of BBN links get posted on here, but what's wrong with that? First of all, a lot of BBN writers post here. Secondly, they're all well known on the board, generally respected and post on a wide range of things, not just their own site/articles. Thirdly, I can't remember anyone complaining about BBN links, so where's the problem??
Just want to pick up on this - I honestly believe boxrec are making a mistake here - BBN are a good site and I see nothing wrong with posting their links on this site.
The only thing I can think of why this has happened is - If a forum like this posts a link to a site and within that article contains possible libellous, or dodgy comments then they are as guilty if proven so as the original site where the article originated from and thus it seems there is a bigger picture here in that a promoter or an individual has complained in the past and all boxrec are doing is protecting themselves - that is the only thing I can think of for this move.
spud your a nob