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Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 08:12
by Goodnight, Irene
You may be right. Granberry may be crazy
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 10:14
by yancey
Brutu wrote:Shoving is of course illegal in boxing,but often overlooked in important fights.
Anyway here is Foreman's opinion about it back in the day.
(from Sports Illustrated December-24-1973)
Foreman denies that he does any shoving except in self-defense.
"I'll never push a man when he's fighting.
But I'm not about to let anybody get in on me and start butting,because it's butting
with the head where 90% of a fighters cuts come from.
When they come in at me I know what they want-thats a good way to cause
damage without throwing any punches.And in that fight where I won the title I kept saying
"Get off of me,Joe Frazier".
He was the one that started it".
Foreman was shoving in "self-defense" against Frazier???
What an unbelievable, steaming crock of pure, unadulterated horse crap.
Only GI would rationalize and believe that one.
Unfreaking unbelievable.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 10:20
by Goodnight, Irene
The guy who thinks Frazier could've beaten Foreman, & who just happens to be the former's biggest supporter on this board, is accusing
me of rationalisation? The same guy who acts as if eight extra pounds is eight additional kilos? The same guy who tries to spin the reality of the fight, so as to make it appear, "Frazier was ready to be taken," when he was, in fact, an overwhelming, unthinking favourite going in? Talk about glass houses, black pots, & all that good stuff.
Rich as chocolate
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 10:23
by Brutu
I guess Boone Kirkman always started his fights off with a headbutt.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 16:42
by Goodnight, Irene
Brutu wrote:I guess Boone Kirkman always started his fights off with a headbutt.
I didn't say I believed what he said
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 30 Jan 2010, 11:38
by Brutu
Brutu wrote:How many of George Foreman's 37 fights going into the first Frazier fight were filmed or taped?
Anyone here seen the televised rematch between Foreman and Peralta on tape?
It was part of a triple bill closed circuit event in May 1971.
Ernie Terrel-Luis Pires/Chicago/w10
Jimmy Ellis-George Chuvalo/Toronto/w10
George Foreman-Gregorio Peralta/ Oakland Ca./KO10
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 09 May 2017, 17:24
by Caractacus
bump
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 10 May 2017, 03:25
by Kalan
ThatOne wrote:I don't remember him shoving Ali in Zaire.
Ali must have had a secret arrangement with Zack Clayton... He was allowed to grab and hold 20 X in the 1st round, still a record for a Heavyweight Title Fight.. And besides grabbing and holding -- Ali wrestled like crazy and pushed Foreman's head down throughout the round.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 10 May 2017, 09:33
by Tony1244
This is a VERY one-sided argument.
I was a fan of all the 1970s HWs and Foreman did push before he hit sometim,e but Ali held the back of his opponent's head like he was focking Slow Dancing !
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 10 May 2017, 12:14
by man
HomicideHenry wrote:I've seen the young Foreman run straight at Boone Kirkman and shove him down immediately after the bell rang for the first round.
wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk3Y-JlMa0c
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 10 May 2017, 12:18
by gilgamesh
The most common rule infraction I see from a young Foreman is he shoves his opponents a lot. He did that all the time.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 10 May 2017, 12:20
by man
foreman's dirty tactics were relatively
harmless IMO.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 10 May 2017, 12:22
by gilgamesh
Not that it would've changed the result or anything, but I'm surprised he didn't get a point deducted for that.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 10 May 2017, 18:14
by Tony1244
Gil Clancy argued Foreman didn't push, he was punching with both hands.
I see his point though. Sam Peter once got warned because he literally landed a left and a right to the head simultaneously. A trainer wouldn't recommend this as you have little leverage and are wide open. The question is though is it really illegal?
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 10 May 2017, 18:17
by Ossyrules
To me someone like evander was more dirty. Call it schooled in the ways of hard knocks, but he had a few dirty tricks imo
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 10 May 2017, 18:17
by Tony1244
man wrote:foreman's dirty tactics were relatively
harmless IMO.
Agreed. Foreman was warned for pushing Jimmy Young's face, but Jimmy practically had his face in GF's crotch half the fight. Great HWs like Ali and Wlad held like crazy, but OMG GF pushed off with his gloves.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 10 May 2017, 19:52
by Caractacus
There was the claim that George Foreman used his open gloves to smother punches before they could be thrown by his opponent,
but I think it was only the "Jack Johnson Parry" that he was doing.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 12 May 2017, 10:53
by Tony1244
Caractacus wrote:There was the claim that George Foreman used his open gloves to smother punches before they could be thrown by his opponent,
but I think it was only the "Jack Johnson Parry" that he was doing.
I was under the impression this whole time that smothering punches with an open glove was legal.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 12 May 2017, 11:56
by Caractacus
I'm not sure either.
I just only remember George Foreman using that tatic in fights such as with Ted Gullick.
I think it was used a lot in Jack Johnson's day tho.
(especially by Jack Johnson).
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 12 May 2017, 15:58
by BoxBuzz
Kalan wrote:ThatOne wrote:I don't remember him shoving Ali in Zaire.
Ali must have had a secret arrangement with Zack Clayton... He was allowed to grab and hold 20 X in the 1st round, still a record for a Heavyweight Title Fight.. And besides grabbing and holding -- Ali wrestled like crazy and pushed Foreman's head down throughout the round.
More "Secrets" outted by Kalan........ "Bawksing fax" freshly unearthed from Al Capone's safe.......
So if you have imagined it......it must be so! You've got some very original alternative facts at your command I've noticed.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 12 May 2017, 18:03
by Caractacus
here at about 13:30 into the clip,both George Foreman and his trainer Dick Sadler discuss the punch.
(which the ref warned of hitting with an open glove)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KswvCpcAni0
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 13 May 2017, 02:33
by man
can you elaborate on what they were
talking about?
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 13 May 2017, 13:15
by gilgamesh
Tony1244 wrote:Gil Clancy argued Foreman didn't push, he was punching with both hands.
I see his point though. Sam Peter once got warned because he literally landed a left and a right to the head simultaneously. A trainer wouldn't recommend this as you have little leverage and are wide open. The question is though is it really illegal?
The situation you're referring to where Sam Peter got warned he used both of his hands to pound into the back of his opponents head (I think this was in one of the Toney fights)
I've only seen one other occasion that I recall where a fighter punched with both of his hands at the same time, and it was Emanuel Augustus throwing both of his hands straight into Ray Oliveira's face. As I recall he wasn't warned.
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 13 May 2017, 17:11
by Tony1244
gilgamesh wrote:Tony1244 wrote:Gil Clancy argued Foreman didn't push, he was punching with both hands.
I see his point though. Sam Peter once got warned because he literally landed a left and a right to the head simultaneously. A trainer wouldn't recommend this as you have little leverage and are wide open. The question is though is it really illegal?
The situation you're referring to where Sam Peter got warned he used both of his hands to pound into the back of his opponents head (I think this was in one of the Toney fights)
I've only seen one other occasion that I recall where a fighter punched with both of his hands at the same time, and it was Emanuel Augustus throwing both of his hands straight into Ray Oliveira's face. As I recall he wasn't warned.
Watch Ali-Wepner 1st round for some incredible back of the head punching action. If Peter's punches were to the back of the head that would more than explain the warning.
Sometimes its a thin line between what's legal and not. Some guys turn their jab and its almost a backhand. We're all familiar with Holmes open and reaching jab. Another thing I probably have spent too much time thinking about is how do you score a very hard shot to the arm that seems to do damage? Think Marciano
Re: George Foreman and"Fightin Dirty"(1969-1977)
Posted: 13 May 2017, 17:13
by gilgamesh
Tony1244 wrote:gilgamesh wrote:Tony1244 wrote:Gil Clancy argued Foreman didn't push, he was punching with both hands.
I see his point though. Sam Peter once got warned because he literally landed a left and a right to the head simultaneously. A trainer wouldn't recommend this as you have little leverage and are wide open. The question is though is it really illegal?
The situation you're referring to where Sam Peter got warned he used both of his hands to pound into the back of his opponents head (I think this was in one of the Toney fights)
I've only seen one other occasion that I recall where a fighter punched with both of his hands at the same time, and it was Emanuel Augustus throwing both of his hands straight into Ray Oliveira's face. As I recall he wasn't warned.
Watch Ali-Wepner 1st round for some incredible back of the head punching action. If Peter's punches were to the back of the head that would more than explain the warning.
Sometimes its a thin line between what's legal and not. Some guys turn their jab and its almost a backhand. We're all familiar with Holmes open and reaching jab. Another thing I probably have spent too much time thinking about is how do you score a very hard shot to the arm that seems to do damage? Think Marciano
I wouldn't count shots to the arm. There's generally gonna be more enough shots to the head and body to score during a round that arm shots would hardly be relevant.