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Daniel Jamson wrote:

crusader wrote:I agree; Geale has a lot of time to build his profile and I expect him to do so over the next few years.

He'll need to move to 168 then.... As middleweight is currently one of, if not THE weakest division in boxing.

I don't think that the middleweight division is as weak as you do, and the relative weakness of a division doesn't necessarily preclude a fighter from broadening their profile by fighting in that division; the comparative ability of a fighter or group of fighters isn't the only determinant of how well known that fighter or those fighters are, and therefore it isn't the only determinant of how much one can raise their profile by facing those fighters. Bouts against Martinez, JCC, GGG, Macklin, Murray, Quillin would broaden Geale's profile, as would bouts against other MW opponents if they were televised on networks that generally have large audiences. A rematch with Sturm would also be beneficial in a similiar respect, as it would increase the degree to which Geale is remembered in Germany as the years pass.

So moving up to 168 may increase the degree to which Geale can broaden his profile, but he can still build his name at MW. It may also be more difficult for Geale to succeed at SMW than at MW, which could limit his involvement in the types of fights that would make him better known.

What you say is correct and Martinez, JCC, GGG, Macklin, Murray & Quillin provide a good cross-section of countries represented as well.

Daniel Jamson wrote:

crusader wrote:I agree; Geale has a lot of time to build his profile and I expect him to do so over the next few years.

He'll need to move to 168 then.... As middleweight is currently one of, if not THE weakest division in boxing.

Mate as i said, you have no creedance on this board, the weakest?

Still no answer "ol school"? yet you can quote names that are 3 and 4 times your age, but you can't give me 1 name who's travelled to Germany beat the German champ(For the idiot who said German Middlewight division is fubar)then returned to fight another German champ(Idiot from NZ ) and unified the middleweight belt. The scope is 20 years, yet you keep avoiding the question? The man deserve's your respect. As another poster said, he beat the man who once beat the man(got robbed though....Oscar!).

Silly old Brute wrote: ...and it has set up a British board for trolls like you.

Brute, you don't have to be an Aussie to post here.

Nor do you need to know anything about boxing, as you prove each time you post.

Brute wrote:If England is such a great place why did you move to New Zealand?

Because New Zealand's better, in my opinion.

Daniel Jamson wrote:
HW is always seen as a marquee division, regardless of the quality of fighters operating at that time.

Middleweight is currently a crude Argentine... a few guys who are slightly above European level... Geale and the offspring of Julio Cesar Chavez's postman. It's pretty low compared to previous years.

Heavyweight was seen as the marquee division for decades. At times it was seen as the only division. But it is now just another division in most people's eyes. The Klitshko dominance over a threadbare division has played a big part in that.

Middleweight is seen by by most as no better or worse than any other division. It is sure as hell deeper than some divisions including heavyweight.

Giancarlo wrote:

Silly old Brute wrote: ...and it has set up a British board for trolls like you.

Brute, you don't have to be an Aussie to post here.

Nor do you need to know anything about boxing, as you prove each time you post.

This troll a relative of yours?

HW is always seen as a marquee division, regardless of the quality of fighters operating at that time.

Middleweight is currently a crude Argentine... a few guys who are slightly above European level... Geale and the offspring of Julio Cesar Chavez's postman. It's pretty low compared to previous years.[/quote]

Sturm was the best of the Europeans and he could not beat Geale. You would not know a good fighter if he knocked your teeth down your throat.

Craigyid14 wrote:

Brute wrote:If England is such a great place why did you move to New Zealand?

Because New Zealand's better, in my opinion.

Says a lot about England, doesn't it?

Britain is a nice place.

What's this about MW being a weak division, I'd say it's one of the best! Martinez, Geale, Golovkin, Sturm, Quinlan, Pirog, Lee, Macklin, N'jikamm, Proska, Chavez, Murray ect ect. Plenty of good fighters. Plus it's likely guys like Alvarez and Krikland will end up there in the near future

Middleweight has always been a strong division because most fit men of average height are around the 155 to 160 pound range in weight.

England is probably a nicer place since Craig emigrated.

Brute wrote:

Craigyid14 wrote:

Brute wrote:If England is such a great place why did you move to New Zealand?

Because New Zealand's better, in my opinion.

Says a lot about England, doesn't it?

It says nothing about England, I've lived in Australia as well and much prefer N.Z.

Danny Green, because the myth of him being a "four-time world champion" will continue to be perpetuated by the Aussie media, and the general public will continue to buy into it.

Most boxers are only remembered by people who follow boxing and we usually remember any fighters who won national titles.

Brute wrote:Most boxers are only remembered by people who follow boxing and we usually remember any fighters who won national titles.

Green and Geale are likely to be exceptions to that rule as neither have bothered with national titles.

That is using national title as minimum qualification.

Daniel Jamson wrote:I would say most 'casual' boxing fans outside Australia would have no idea who Geale is.

Therefore Vic and Kats are defo the fighters with the bigger profiles.

You are an idiot. Nobody is that casual. Geale won two versions of the World Middleweight title, how many fighters do that?

oliverfennell wrote:Danny Green, because the myth of him being a "four-time world champion" will continue to be perpetuated by the Aussie media, and the general public will continue to buy into it.

I get the impression that at least some of the media know the "four-time world champion" BS is just that...utter BS. But the shit just keeps oozing out of their mouths

As for who will be remembered in 20 years? Internationally at least...nobody

bollox wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:Danny Green, because the myth of him being a "four-time world champion" will continue to be perpetuated by the Aussie media, and the general public will continue to buy into it.

I get the impression that at least some of the media know the "four-time world champion" BS is just that...utter BS. But the shit just keeps oozing out of their mouths

As for who will be remembered in 20 years? Internationally at least...nobody

Brute LOVES this era where 4 or 5 blokes claim to be WORLD champion at the same weight all at the SAME time.

I don't think we've had a truly consistent world class fighter since Kostya Tszyu. He's one that'll be remembered in 20 years by the international boxing fraternity. Nobody's come close since. He fought and beat the best, unified his division and consistently proved he was a top fighter against top international opposition

We here often bestow BS superlatives on some of our fighters that have yet to prove much on the big stage. They fight old decripit name fighters such as Roy Jones then point to their 'achievements'. Then get badly beaten and often beaten badly when they fight the best out there

Brute wrote:That is using national title as minimum qualification.

bollox wrote:I don't think we've had a truly consistent world class fighter since Kostya Tszyu. He's one that'll be remembered in 20 years by the international boxing fraternity. Nobody's come close since. He fought and beat the best, unified his division and consistently proved he was a top fighter against top international opposition

We here often bestow BS superlatives on some of our fighters that have yet to prove much on the big stage. They fight old decripit name fighters such as Roy Jones then point to their 'achievements'. Then get badly beaten and often beaten badly when they fight the best out there

Vic Darchinyans resume is as good, if not better than Tszyu. Geale is on the right track. Other that that I agree with what you say

thunderfromdownunder wrote:

bollox wrote:I don't think we've had a truly consistent world class fighter since Kostya Tszyu. He's one that'll be remembered in 20 years by the international boxing fraternity. Nobody's come close since. He fought and beat the best, unified his division and consistently proved he was a top fighter against top international opposition

We here often bestow BS superlatives on some of our fighters that have yet to prove much on the big stage. They fight old decripit name fighters such as Roy Jones then point to their 'achievements'. Then get badly beaten and often beaten badly when they fight the best out there

Vic Darchinyans resume is as good, if not better than Tszyu. Geale is on the right track. Other that that I agree with what you say

Although it should be the criteria, having the best resume or winning the most titles isn't necessarily what makes fighters best remembered. Boxing fans remember Kostya for beating Judah and unifying titles. The public might just as likely remember him for having a pony tail and being Russian.

TrainInsane wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote:

bollox wrote:I don't think we've had a truly consistent world class fighter since Kostya Tszyu. He's one that'll be remembered in 20 years by the international boxing fraternity. Nobody's come close since. He fought and beat the best, unified his division and consistently proved he was a top fighter against top international opposition

We here often bestow BS superlatives on some of our fighters that have yet to prove much on the big stage. They fight old decripit name fighters such as Roy Jones then point to their 'achievements'. Then get badly beaten and often beaten badly when they fight the best out there

Vic Darchinyans resume is as good, if not better than Tszyu. Geale is on the right track. Other that that I agree with what you say

Although it should be the criteria, having the best resume or winning the most titles isn't necessarily what makes fighters best remembered. Boxing fans remember Kostya for beating Judah and unifying titles. The public might just as likely remember him for having a pony tail and being Russian.

Haha. It's true, Danny Green and Anthony Mundine will prob be remembered more than fighters far better than them because of their rivalry

thunderfromdownunder wrote:

TrainInsane wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote: Vic Darchinyans resume is as good, if not better than Tszyu. Geale is on the right track. Other that that I agree with what you say

Although it should be the criteria, having the best resume or winning the most titles isn't necessarily what makes fighters best remembered. Boxing fans remember Kostya for beating Judah and unifying titles. The public might just as likely remember him for having a pony tail and being Russian.

Haha. It's true, Danny Green and Anthony Mundine will prob be remembered more than fighters far better than them because of their rivalry

And the amount of press they get. If a fighter isn't in the news average Joe the non-boxing fan won't even know they exist. If it wasn't for the death of his brother many non-boxing fans wouldn't know who Mick Katsidis is.