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Re: Mike Tyson vs Riddick Bowe
Posted: 19 Oct 2010, 18:16
by SaadOffTheDeck
Beating Holyfield twice is more than most could dream of accomplishing. The other guy in this thread could never do it.
Re: Mike Tyson vs Riddick Bowe
Posted: 19 Oct 2010, 18:26
by Diamond WEAPON
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Beating Holyfield twice is more than most could dream of accomplishing. The other guy in this thread could never do it.
Very true. Holyfield is a stubborn bastard who would be a blight on the existence of virtually any ATG whether they beat him or not.
Re: Mike Tyson vs Riddick Bowe
Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 04:18
by keithmoonhangover
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Beating Holyfield twice is more than most could dream of accomplishing. The other guy in this thread could never do it.
Styles make fights. Tyson was made-to-measure for Holyfield.
Re: Mike Tyson vs Riddick Bowe
Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 08:01
by IKSRTFO
keithmoonhangover wrote:hhaehre wrote:IKSRTFO wrote:I will correct myself. Tyson did show heart in the Douglas fight. It's just that he couldn't fight as well under adversity as Bowe did. I can't think of an extremely close fight that Tyson won. If he wasn't winning, he wasn't going to win. Bowe has more experiences with being down in the clutch and still fighting back. Tyson has never came back to KO anyone. If they were beating him then they won.
When did Bowe ever come back to win? I guess you could say against Golota but he didn't really come back now did he? Tyson did come back to ko Botha and some will say he lost the first round vs. Tubbs but I agree with you that he was essentially a front runner. To adjust and come back from real adversity in a fight is actually a pretty rare quality in a fighter and imo neither Bowe nor Tyson ever truly possessed that quality.
Bowe was very lucky to get the decision over Tubbs. I have the fight on VHS and think Tubbs won it. A lot of the media at the time agreed.
Bowe's record is poor. Apart from beating Holyfield twice, what did he achieve?
Aside from beating a prime Spinks and Tillis, what did Tyson achieve?
Re: Mike Tyson vs Riddick Bowe
Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 08:33
by keithmoonhangover
IKSRTFO wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:hhaehre wrote:
When did Bowe ever come back to win? I guess you could say against Golota but he didn't really come back now did he? Tyson did come back to ko Botha and some will say he lost the first round vs. Tubbs but I agree with you that he was essentially a front runner. To adjust and come back from real adversity in a fight is actually a pretty rare quality in a fighter and imo neither Bowe nor Tyson ever truly possessed that quality.
Bowe was very lucky to get the decision over Tubbs. I have the fight on VHS and think Tubbs won it. A lot of the media at the time agreed.
Bowe's record is poor. Apart from beating Holyfield twice, what did he achieve?
Aside from beating a prime Spinks and Tillis, what did Tyson achieve?
Tony Tubbs (who I think beat Bowe) - 2 rounds
Larry Holmes (who went on to beat Mercer and go the distance with Holyfield) - 4 rounds
And Berbick, Smith, Tucker, Biggs, Thomas and Bruno were all a mile better than the Ferguson and Dokes that Bowe beat.
Re: Mike Tyson vs Riddick Bowe
Posted: 20 Oct 2010, 15:46
by The Great John L
keithmoonhangover wrote:Tony Tubbs (who I think beat Bowe) - 2 rounds
Larry Holmes (who went on to beat Mercer and go the distance with Holyfield) - 4 rounds
And Berbick, Smith, Tucker, Biggs, Thomas and Bruno were all a mile better than the Ferguson and Dokes that Bowe beat.
Tyson is one of the
very few HWs in history who beat just about every top HW around. The only great on the list was Holmes, and he was past it and under-prepared, but the fact that Tyson beat so many world class HWs with so many different styles, and he did it so easily and in such a compressed time frame is extremely impressive. Few, if any other HWs could have done the same thing.