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BoxBuzz wrote:In my opinion Quarry's hook was indeed superior to Evander's. I think this holds up under most any serious clinical assessment.


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SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Quarry is inferior to Holyfield in every way.

This is blatantly laughable. Notice that at no time during that remarkably competitive round with Frazier did Quarry ever use his head for any other purpose than to process his strategy, no matter how tough the going got. You can bet Evander would have resorted to a completely different sort of "cerebral" tactic if he found himself caught in that turbulent storm.

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BoxBuzz wrote:In my opinion Quarry's hook was indeed superior to Evander's. I think this holds up under most any serious clinical assessment.


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gilgamesh wrote:I didn't think I was, but I have fights in my library that I swear I remember the punch that caused the knockout and then when I rewatch it, it's something different from my memory. I suppose I just get fights mixed up with others sometimes. It happens when you've seen thousands upon thousands of boxing matches.

me too, mate.

I'd pick Holyfield to take the decision over Ali. Holyfield's style was all wrong for Ali. Evander would have established the pressure in a similar to Frazier's way, he would have broken inside and outfought Ali there. Holyfield was enough skillful and relentless for that. Ali wouldn't be able to keep the distance in such matchup, he would have been forced to fight and he wouldn't have handled such a boxer-brawler, that Holyfield was. There also would have been a real possibility of Holyfield dropping Ali, however, Ali would most likely have survived afterwards.

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 18:15 I'd pick Holyfield to take the decision over Ali. Holyfield's style was all wrong for Ali. Evander would have established the pressure in a similar to Frazier's way, he would have broken inside and outfought Ali there. Holyfield was enough skillful and relentless for that. Ali wouldn't be able to keep the distance in such matchup, he would have been forced to fight and he wouldn't have handled such a boxer-brawler, that Holyfield was. There also would have been a real possibility of Holyfield dropping Ali, however, Ali would most likely have survived afterwards.

Ali's speed and elusiveness would neutralize Holyfield's usual output level and maybe even wear the Real Deal out, but I'd say comfortable decision. Ali was gifted and one of a kind. Holyfield was great, but Ali greater.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 18:28

DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Jan 2019, 18:15 I'd pick Holyfield to take the decision over Ali. Holyfield's style was all wrong for Ali. Evander would have established the pressure in a similar to Frazier's way, he would have broken inside and outfought Ali there. Holyfield was enough skillful and relentless for that. Ali wouldn't be able to keep the distance in such matchup, he would have been forced to fight and he wouldn't have handled such a boxer-brawler, that Holyfield was. There also would have been a real possibility of Holyfield dropping Ali, however, Ali would most likely have survived afterwards.

Ali's speed and elusiveness would neutralize Holyfield's usual output level and maybe even wear the Real Deal out, but I'd say comfortable decision. Ali was gifted and one of a kind. Holyfield was great, but Ali greater.

I'd say, Ali's strong sides wouldn't be enough against such a high level swarming fighter, just like in case with Smokin' Joe.

Holyfield would give Ali hell. It's hard to pick against Ali because he rose to the occasion so often and had incredible speed, great legs and blazing speed but he made enough mistakes and wasn't that good in close quarters to the point where a man like Holyfield with good speed and legs himself could exploit a lot of it. Holyfield's combination punching is about as good as it gets at heavyweight and so was his will.

I think Ali is the default answer but it's a very difficult fight that goes down to the wire. I have both in my top 5 heavyweights ever and Holyfield's style is one of the bigger problems for Ali.

I apparently started this topic, but it's weird that my opening post doesn't read as an opening post. Maybe something got deleted or something?

At any rate, I still believe Holyfield is a nightmare style matchup for Ali, and though Ali had the better overall career I'd like Holyfield in this matchup.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Jan 2019, 14:51 I apparently started this topic, but it's weird that my opening post doesn't read as an opening post. Maybe something got deleted or something?

At any rate, I still believe Holyfield is a nightmare style matchup for Ali, and though Ali had the better overall career I'd like Holyfield in this matchup.

Ah, well I think we had an overly exuberant mod, who in his quest to free the world from evil and the heartbreak of various unrefined and illiterate flying bandersnatches, chose to violently dismiss the original contributor to the nether realm, leaving the unwitting second contributor to appear as the author.

If only we knew who the evil entity was, we could have him in rehab, and he would surely be a good citizen by now. But by banishing him, we now run the risk of being at his mercy again sometime in the future, should he ever decide to return to his nefarious ways.


And now we may never know who it was that inititally raised this topic. For he is now in permanent residence on the other side of the wall.

The consequence of an over ambitious utilization of authority and power.


And oh yeah. Ali outpoints a very game Holyfield.