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Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 29 Jan 2011, 20:11
by m1kee50
gobbles wrote:
Prizefighter has to be less frequent and higher quality names, or there is just no point.
Completely disagree.
The most recent HW version was dire, and included a former world title challenger and European champion (Skelton), a former British/Commonwealth champion and European title challenger (Sprott) and a man who held a win over Tyson (McBride)... and it was awful...
the super-bantams one was cracking as I recall, the light-welter with lynes, bami, cook and rees was not all that IMO... personally i think the fights make the tournament and in this most recent one we had a good old fashioned tearup in the shape of Smyth-Edwards, and we got a bit of drama in seeing if Dickinson could effectively run the gauntlet of 3 fresh fighters one after the other... if this were a conventional sky card you would not expect every fight to be a cracker, why should every PF fight be a mini-war? some fighters dont compete that way
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 29 Jan 2011, 20:16
by whiteboy
G0mez wrote:Huge fight in audience.
Did they show much of it? Not sure how many got involved but it was a bit naughty for a while. Stopped serving booze after that
Not great, not bad...was looking forward to dodson-dickinson in the final
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 29 Jan 2011, 20:44
by Hagler2002
I initially went against Travis but ended up having a cheeky £40 quid on him @ 5/2
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 29 Jan 2011, 20:47
by Dioufy
You're a flukey fornicate, Hagler.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 29 Jan 2011, 20:58
by Hagler2002
Dioufy wrote:You're a flukey eff, Hagler.
Swings and roundabouts mate, had a shocking last 4 weeks, on a roll for the last 7 days.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 29 Jan 2011, 22:11
by gobbles
MatthewS wrote:gobbles wrote:
Prizefighter has to be less frequent and higher quality names, or there is just no point.
Completely disagree.
The most recent HW version was dire, and included a former world title challenger and European champion (Skelton), a former British/Commonwealth champion and European title challenger (Sprott) and a man who held a win over Tyson (McBride)... and it was awful...
the super-bantams one was cracking as I recall, the light-welter with lynes, bami, cook and rees was not all that IMO... personally i think the fights make the tournament and in this most recent one we had a good old fashioned tearup in the shape of Smyth-Edwards, and we got a bit of drama in seeing if Dickinson could effectively run the gauntlet of 3 fresh fighters one after the other... if this were a conventional sky card you would not expect every fight to be a cracker, why should every PF fight be a mini-war? some fighters dont compete that way
I don't expect every fight to be a war. Nothing of the kind. I expect there to be decent boxing on offer. Today was basically Dodson and a bunch of novices, only one of which is likely to go anywhere. That first fight was awful, Edwards was totally raw.
If all we want is a war, why not just have those terrible Toughman tournaments.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 29 Jan 2011, 22:26
by -KOKid-
I thought this Prizefighter with the light-heavies was quite a step down from the last one (super-featherweights).
Actually, I don't think any of the PF's featuring the heavier weightclasses have been anything special at all.
The lighter weightclasses put on a far better show, as also is the case in boxing generally speaking.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 05:04
by GlobalBox
First one I was disappointed in, poor tournament and did not feel any excitement about the event, Smyth/Edwards was ok for about 3 minutes and that was the highlight of the
evening, not sure the next one will be any better either to be honest.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 05:59
by alexpaterson
Not the greatest line up ever. In my opinion they need to decide who it's for, novices looking to make a breakthrough (Casey) or former champions looking to bounce back (Dobson) because they really shouldn't have both as If the draw had turned out different you could if had a 2 fight novice (Billy Slate) fighting a former British Champion (Tony Dobson) and that would of been a complete and utter mismatch! The level of some of the fighters were poor they looked very ordinary.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 06:24
by jessi
MatthewS wrote:my thoughts:
it is unfair, the situation with the subs, and the level of the subs, but seriously now, what is the alternative? Morris goes out, sub comes in or Slate - who lost - comes in for a fight that according to the judges he lost to Morris... or do you wait to see who the 'best' loser is out of the four fights? i.e the one that loses closest on points, say?
as for the level of the subs - why not make it 10 fighters, and at the draw, the last two names out of the hat are the subs... so 8 fight as per, but all 10 are on the same level... the only drawback to this of course is that you could potentially end up with a high-profile name as sub...
Slate didnt lose that fight IMO, he took every round close for me... but there you go.
Smyth-Edwards should have been allowed to go on, it was a see-saw affair. I'd pay to watch Smyth again, for sure.
Dickinson - Bellew (assuming Tony gets past Oville) and the winner takes on Dodson... I think thats fair... winner of all that looks at McIntosh I guess, if he still holds his belt...
best loser from all 4 but then the wild cards know they have no chance, but think dodson should fight dickinson in an eliminator to fight bellew !
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 07:01
by FtmPress
jessi wrote:MatthewS wrote:my thoughts:
it is unfair, the situation with the subs, and the level of the subs, but seriously now, what is the alternative? Morris goes out, sub comes in or Slate - who lost - comes in for a fight that according to the judges he lost to Morris... or do you wait to see who the 'best' loser is out of the four fights? i.e the one that loses closest on points, say?
as for the level of the subs - why not make it 10 fighters, and at the draw, the last two names out of the hat are the subs... so 8 fight as per, but all 10 are on the same level... the only drawback to this of course is that you could potentially end up with a high-profile name as sub...
Slate didnt lose that fight IMO, he took every round close for me... but there you go.
Smyth-Edwards should have been allowed to go on, it was a see-saw affair. I'd pay to watch Smyth again, for sure.
Dickinson - Bellew (assuming Tony gets past Oville) and the winner takes on Dodson... I think thats fair... winner of all that looks at McIntosh I guess, if he still holds his belt...
best loser from all 4 but then the wild cards know they have no chance, but think dodson should fight dickinson in an eliminator to fight bellew !
We agree at FTM and would like to make that fight.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 07:10
by m1kee50
Turns out winner of Bellew/McKenzie has to fight McIntosh - no news on any forthcoming contests for him on the EBU site, so Dodson/Dickinson might end up fighting the winner of THAT bout...
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 07:22
by FIGHTFANs
Why on earth did the ref let the Dobson fight go on with them cuts, Its spells Danger
Why didnt sky interview Dobson when they interviwed Morrison with his injury,Was it a case of Dobson face been a real mess??????????????????/
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 07:29
by m1kee50
if Dodson had been cut like that in a ten-rounder with Dickinson, would it have been stopped after 6?
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:08
by ed robinson
FIGHTFANs - couldn't interview Tony because he was taken straight off to be stitched up by the doctor.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:10
by JonRobo
wont let me add a pic of tonys eye
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:15
by reggaereggae
Prizefighter was a good idea in theory - knockout tournament with one winner at the end of the night. Fights are only 3 rounds so they have to go for it...
I reality it doesn't work - pros working at a pace they're not used to, so they smother their shots and it gets messy.
As a spectacle it's dreadful; as a meaningful result, it means little in the real world of pro boxing.
This Knockout tournament in pro boxing has always disappointed; though it sounds great.
Prizefighter is a disappointing and largely irrelevant side show to real pro boxing.
It needs to end. It's horrible.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:49
by FIGHTFANs
ed robinson wrote:FIGHTFANs - couldn't interview Tony because he was taken straight off to be stitched up by the doctor.
Fair play,Ed how many stiches did he recive.Still find it strange why ref didnt step in????????
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:50
by FIGHTFANs
reggaereggae wrote:Prizefighter was a good idea in theory - knockout tournament with one winner at the end of the night. Fights are only 3 rounds so they have to go for it...
I reality it doesn't work - pros working at a pace they're not used to, so they smother their shots and it gets messy.
As a spectacle it's dreadful; as a meaningful result, it means little in the real world of pro boxing.
This Knockout tournament in pro boxing has always disappointed; though it sounds great.
Prizefighter is a disappointing and largely irrelevant side show to real pro boxing.
It needs to end. It's horrible.
X2 but it is getting like a side show
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:51
by Crease
Billy Lsate was robbed, I had hikm winning all 3 rounds. At the very least, they should have brought him in to fight Dickinson in the Semis and gave him his rightful place.
Slate has every right to be disgruntled.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:51
by jBacca
MatthewS wrote:if Dodson had been cut like that in a ten-rounder with Dickinson, would it have been stopped after 6?
I don't think so, it weren't pissing with that much blood. I've seen worse.
(I don't know if I'm going against your point here, or proving it.)
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:53
by Crease
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:55
by m1kee50
Crease wrote:Billy Lsate was robbed, I had hikm winning all 3 rounds. At the very least, they should have brought him in to fight Dickinson in the Semis and gave him his rightful place.
Slate has every right to be disgruntled.
+1
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:57
by m1kee50
jBacca wrote:MatthewS wrote:if Dodson had been cut like that in a ten-rounder with Dickinson, would it have been stopped after 6?
I don't think so, it weren't pissing with that much blood. I've seen worse.
(I don't know if I'm going against your point here, or proving it.)
I agree... I think its overly cautious but at the same time, they can't just treat it as one fight can they... if you turned up at the start of the night with that cut and they wouldn't let you box, hard to argue that you are ok to fight three separate men in a row.
Re: PRIZEFIGHTER as it happens *SPOILER*
Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 08:59
by jBacca
MatthewS wrote:jBacca wrote:MatthewS wrote:if Dodson had been cut like that in a ten-rounder with Dickinson, would it have been stopped after 6?
I don't think so, it weren't pissing with that much blood. I've seen worse.
(I don't know if I'm going against your point here, or proving it.)
I agree... I think its overly cautious but at the same time, they can't just treat it as one fight can they... if you turned up at the start of the night with that cut and they wouldn't let you box, hard to argue that you are ok to fight three separate men in a row.
Ah I see. Completely agree.