ANthony Small update, warns British people

[Des1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBpHJQi8w8

When your ready to defend this Coco I will be interested to hear your argument about it being western media propaganda

Oh dear, we can all search youtube for what we want. You search for bad or good in anything...you find it. Many Muslims dont want Sharia Law, but should they be bombed out? What about Mugabi in Africa and the evil regime over there, I dont see our good old British Government sending over troops to bomb him out....

[Des1]

The vast majority of the hate is down to our war mongering in the Middle East as they feel we are killing muslims, if that was put right most of the problems would go away

We weren't "killing Muslims" before 9/11, yet it still happened.

Yes and you really think that there is nothing fishy about 9/11?

[Coco]

There are a minority of crazy muslims and I will never look to defend them, to lump all muslims in one category is folly.
I certainly don't consider myself an idiot, uneducated or pc. In fact my views are certainly not pc in this country.
After the crusades we have lived in relative peace with muslims and feel this is quite possible again. Even in the crusades we invaded them not the other way round!
Our media was even calling the peaceful, middle class pro democracy demonstrators 'anti government rioters' untill it was clear the position of the Egyptian despots became untenable.
Maybe you don't read The Sun and are just a crack smoker!

[Des1]

There are a minority of crazy muslims and I will never look to defend them, to lump all muslims in one category is folly.
I certainly don't consider myself an idiot, uneducated or pc. In fact my views are certainly not pc in this country.
After the crusades we have lived in relative peace with muslims and feel this is quite possible again. Even in the crusades we invaded them not the other way round!
Our media was even calling the peaceful, middle class pro democracy demonstrators 'anti government rioters' untill it was clear the position of the Egyptian despots became untenable.
Maybe you don't read The Sun and are just a crack smoker!

[Totybear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBpHJQi8w8

When your ready to defend this Coco I will be interested to hear your argument about it being western media propaganda

Oh dear, we can all search youtube for what we want. You search for bad or good in anything...you find it.

A rebuttal will suffice...or are you condoning this literal interpretation of a holy book?

In my job I have to visit around 8 houses per day. I meet some wonderful people and the educational level of them is from average and above. Last summer I visited a home of a 30 something Muslim woman. Absolutely delightful young woman, offered me tea or an orange juice as it was hot, kid's drawings on the fridge, toys everywhere and an averaging, lovingly, lived in home.

In her kitchen was a plaque on the wall which read "This is my mess, I fought for it, leave it alone". We chatted about the summer holidays and she declared that the kids would "drive her mad". I know that feeling and sympathised with her. So you will, no doubt, understand that this is an ordinary, everyday, average, young woman who just happens to be a Muslim.

Another plaque on her kitchen wall, above the sink read "In memory of the great Imam (insert arabic name), whenever you drink water please recite this prayer. (Fair enough if he is a good man in the community and deserves to be remembered) "Allah the great, Allah the merciful, Allah the wise bestows good wishes, good health and good fortune upon you....AND DEATH AND DESTRUCTION TO ALL THOSE THAT OPPOSE HIM"

Now, no one in their right mind would think that this well adjusted, average young woman would subscribe to the literal teachings of such a (shall we say dubious) holy book. However with over a billion Muslims in the world what kind of percentage do you think it would take to believe such fairy tale nonsense to get enough men to strap bombs to themselves and get on a bus or tube with no thought of their children or wives just the promise of an hereafter that they will never see.

And while your working that out, be my guest to search you tube for something as powerful in the opposite direction. I used you tube because it is a medium that is aimed at your level. I keep asking you and your ilk to read but you seem unwilling or incapable.

Oh dear indeed.

[Coco]

Do you take every teaching in the bible literally?
Homosexuality is one that springs to mind and many Christians have seemed to mix their sexuality with religion.
Suicide bombers are not average people who pick up the Quran one day and have their lives changed.
It is only since oil was discovered in the Middle East that our relationships with the region has become strained.
Untill then Muslims have managed to to be tempted into killing non muslims.
If you are taking their religion literally you will find many contradictions as with the bible

[Totybear]

There are a minority of crazy muslims and I will never look to defend them, to lump all muslims in one category is folly.
I certainly don't consider myself an idiot, uneducated or pc. In fact my views are certainly not pc in this country.
After the crusades we have lived in relative peace with muslims and feel this is quite possible again. Even in the crusades we invaded them not the other way round!
Our media was even calling the peaceful, middle class pro democracy demonstrators 'anti government rioters' untill it was clear the position of the Egyptian despots became untenable.
Maybe you don't read The Sun and are just a crack smoker!

For God's sake or Allah's or Disney's will you please, please do a bit of research before posting!! Even the most basic theology historian declares this a defensive campaign to halt the march of slaughter from the Islamic world. That is not to defend the Christians. They were just as barbaric. Only problem is the Muslim world is where the christian one was around 400 years ago. So only another 400 years and unless someone else writes a book of nonsense we can all live together!

I don't really mean to call you an idiot, name calling isn't my thing. Some of us have opinions on things and some have knowledge and both are valid and worth contributing to the debate. I have studied this subject (a lot) and a few lines on here will not convince someone if they already have a closed mind. So with that I will just ask you and the couple of people agreeing with you to do just a little more research.

If we educate from the top down the world will become a safer, better place.

[Coco]

What part of what I said has been factually inaccurate?

[Totybear]

The vast majority of the hate is down to our war mongering in the Middle East as they feel we are killing muslims, if that was put right most of the problems would go away

We weren't "killing Muslims" before 9/11, yet it still happened.

Yes and you really think that there is nothing fishy about 9/11?

Oh yeah it was Warner brothers so they could blame the Muslims and ultimately sack Charlie Sheen.

[Totybear]

What part of what I said has been factually inaccurate?

Coco wrote:
There are a minority of crazy muslims and I will never look to defend them, to lump all muslims in one category is folly.
I certainly don't consider myself an idiot, uneducated or pc. In fact my views are certainly not pc in this country.
After the crusades we have lived in relative peace with muslims and feel this is quite possible again. Even in the crusades we invaded them not the other way round!
Our media was even calling the peaceful, middle class pro democracy demonstrators 'anti government rioters' untill it was clear the position of the Egyptian despots became untenable.
Maybe you don't read The Sun and are just a crack smoker!

That bit

[Coco]

What part of what I said has been factually inaccurate?

Coco wrote:
There are a minority of crazy muslims and I will never look to defend them, to lump all muslims in one category is folly.
I certainly don't consider myself an idiot, uneducated or pc. In fact my views are certainly not pc in this country.
After the crusades we have lived in relative peace with muslims and feel this is quite possible again. Even in the crusades we invaded them not the other way round!
Our media was even calling the peaceful, middle class pro democracy demonstrators 'anti government rioters' untill it was clear the position of the Egyptian despots became untenable.
Maybe you don't read The Sun and are just a crack smoker!

That bit

Perhaps it is you that needs to do some research before posting and not rely on a fridge magnet you spotted in a random muslims house

[banjo]

As I said "take drugs, drink alcohol, get laid and chill out" that's what I do.

fornicate god, the bible, the koran or whatever is morally corrupt.

Sid Vicious is my hero and he did it his way and I'll do it mine, fornicate the world, fornicate religion, fornicate politics, my family is the world to me, up with the mafia, up with the cartels, the only sensible way to live in this world is without rules.

[Totybear]

What part of what I said has been factually inaccurate?

Coco wrote:
There are a minority of crazy muslims and I will never look to defend them, to lump all muslims in one category is folly.
I certainly don't consider myself an idiot, uneducated or pc. In fact my views are certainly not pc in this country.
After the crusades we have lived in relative peace with muslims and feel this is quite possible again. Even in the crusades we invaded them not the other way round!
Our media was even calling the peaceful, middle class pro democracy demonstrators 'anti government rioters' untill it was clear the position of the Egyptian despots became untenable.
Maybe you don't read The Sun and are just a crack smoker!

That bit

Perhaps it is you that needs to do some research before posting and not rely on a fridge magnet you spotted in a random muslims house

Can you possibly get any dumber??????????? What the hell is wrong with your mind?

Do I have to sit with you, hold your hand and explain the fundamentals of the English language before I start explaining to you?

Your just arguing for arguing's sake! No form, rhyme nor reason. Not one single reasonable point of argument. No rebuttal, counter or point of substantiated fact.

I am trying to be nice to you (see earlier post). But have to agree with Banjo!

Where are you? maybe we can go for a pint and argue in leisure cos here it's late and I'm off to bed. Have to get up early and save the world

[banjo]

What part of what I said has been factually inaccurate?

Coco wrote:
There are a minority of crazy muslims and I will never look to defend them, to lump all muslims in one category is folly.
I certainly don't consider myself an idiot, uneducated or pc. In fact my views are certainly not pc in this country.
After the crusades we have lived in relative peace with muslims and feel this is quite possible again. Even in the crusades we invaded them not the other way round!
Our media was even calling the peaceful, middle class pro democracy demonstrators 'anti government rioters' untill it was clear the position of the Egyptian despots became untenable.
Maybe you don't read The Sun and are just a crack smoker!

That bit

Perhaps it is you that needs to do some research before posting and not rely on a fridge magnet you spotted in a random muslims house

You do know that there is no god don't you?

[greenyox3]

In no way am I trying to defend the tiny minority of muslims who are genuine terrorists.
However like in Northern Ireland problems were heightened and people end up sympathising with terrorists rather than alienating them.
Our war mongering in the middle east has served to encourage such terrorism. We should look for peace not war.
America was originally targeted because they supported despotic regimes who keep their people in poverty with an iron fist.
Atrocities by Western friendly tyrants were always ignored, we only ever got to hear about the atrocities done by the likes of Saddam Hussein.

Absolutely agree that our actions in Iraq etc have done us no favours whatsoever, in terms of PR. But what people need to understand is that the minority you refer to are not targeting us because of those actions, which merely serve as a convenient justification for them. It's about their ideology, which they want to impose on all of us.

So greenyox3, you contradict yourself there. So is it acceptable to go and be killing Catholics because of the IRA? To stereo type Priests because of the paedophilia actions of the minority? Yet you agreed that our actions in Iraq haven't down us favours. Dont base a religion on minorities actions. Its not the religion of any sort which is evil, our Government run media stereo types and only shows bad examples so to justify itself

Where exactly have I justified killing or stereotyping anyone? OR blamed all Muslims for what, as I pointed out, are a minority?

Anyone would think we were living in Airstrip One with the way you go on about the the Government "running the media". I've got, ahem, news for you - there are at least a dozen national newspapers in this country and they all say different things. The Government can't be "running" ALL of them.

Judging by this, and your later comment about 9/11, can I safely assume you are one of these conspiracy theorists who think the US Govt instigated the attack (in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary)?

[banjo]

Its not the religion of any sort which is evil

Prove it c*nt, there is no god that has been proven now go and get a woman.

It's fornicating idiots like you who i like to see in my rottweilers jaws.

[Des1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lBpHJQi8w8

When your ready to defend this Coco I will be interested to hear your argument about it being western media propaganda

Oh dear, we can all search youtube for what we want. You search for bad or good in anything...you find it.

A rebuttal will suffice...or are you condoning this literal interpretation of a holy book?

In my job I have to visit around 8 houses per day. I meet some wonderful people and the educational level of them is from average and above. Last summer I visited a home of a 30 something Muslim woman. Absolutely delightful young woman, offered me tea or an orange juice as it was hot, kid's drawings on the fridge, toys everywhere and an averaging, lovingly, lived in home.

In her kitchen was a plaque on the wall which read "This is my mess, I fought for it, leave it alone". We chatted about the summer holidays and she declared that the kids would "drive her mad". I know that feeling and sympathised with her. So you will, no doubt, understand that this is an ordinary, everyday, average, young woman who just happens to be a Muslim.

Another plaque on her kitchen wall, above the sink read "In memory of the great Imam (insert arabic name), whenever you drink water please recite this prayer. (Fair enough if he is a good man in the community and deserves to be remembered) "Allah the great, Allah the merciful, Allah the wise bestows good wishes, good health and good fortune upon you....AND DEATH AND DESTRUCTION TO ALL THOSE THAT OPPOSE HIM"

Now, no one in their right mind would think that this well adjusted, average young woman would subscribe to the literal teachings of such a (shall we say dubious) holy book. However with over a billion Muslims in the world what kind of percentage do you think it would take to believe such fairy tale nonsense to get enough men to strap bombs to themselves and get on a bus or tube with no thought of their children or wives just the promise of an hereafter that they will never see.

And while your working that out, be my guest to search you tube for something as powerful in the opposite direction. I used you tube because it is a medium that is aimed at your level. I keep asking you and your ilk to read but you seem unwilling or incapable.

Oh dear indeed.

Ok, you visited a home of a muslim woman and because of your findings you are now an expert in the religon. Have you interacted with anyone Muslim for a worthy enough time? Do you have any friends that are Muslim (being as you acknowledge that there are millions which follow the faith). I do find it strange that a plaque read on the wall at this womans house to 'please recite this prayer in memory of an Imam when drinking this water' because the belief is that nothing is worthy of worship other than Allah. I also find it just as strange or more so that another plaque finished in reading "And death and destruction to those that oppose HIM" because Allah is not known as a being or a gender? Also, it is a sin and againts the true teachings of the religion to commit suicide so it is not beleived as you state that by doing so they are thinkingf a better here after life, infact the religion teaches that if you commit suicide your here after life will be in hell fire. And as you acknowledge that there are over a billion people who follow Islam are you saying that they all 'believe' that death and destruction should be placed on those that oppose Allah? How many doctors and surgans do we have in this country alone? How many people of other religions have these doctors treated and saved lives of those who are not Muslim?! Nah, your assumtion is wrong if as you say your using youtube as a medium because its my level as obviously my level is higher than that and your ignorance.

[Des1]

Its not the religion of any sort which is evil

Prove it c*nt, there is no god that has been proven now go and get a woman.

It's effing idiots like you who i like to see in my rottweilers jaws.

Thats a bit extreme with much emotion...But Your comment on the picture explains your mentality anyway

[Des1]

Absolutely agree that our actions in Iraq etc have done us no favours whatsoever, in terms of PR. But what people need to understand is that the minority you refer to are not targeting us because of those actions, which merely serve as a convenient justification for them. It's about their ideology, which they want to impose on all of us.

So greenyox3, you contradict yourself there. So is it acceptable to go and be killing Catholics because of the IRA? To stereo type Priests because of the paedophilia actions of the minority? Yet you agreed that our actions in Iraq haven't down us favours. Dont base a religion on minorities actions. Its not the religion of any sort which is evil, our Government run media stereo types and only shows bad examples so to justify itself

Where exactly have I justified killing or stereotyping anyone? OR blamed all Muslims for what, as I pointed out, are a minority?

Anyone would think we were living in Airstrip One with the way you go on about the the Government "running the media". I've got, ahem, news for you - there are at least a dozen national newspapers in this country and they all say different things. The Government can't be "running" ALL of them.

Judging by this, and your later comment about 9/11, can I safely assume you are one of these conspiracy theorists who think the US Govt instigated the attack (in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary)?

"we weren't killing Muslims before 9/11" you said, oh so its justified now is it like it would be going killing Catholics because of the IRA? Main stream media I'm referring to.

There is also overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was an inside job

[Counter-puncher]

the people on this thread need to step up

[jizzle]

There is also overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was an inside job

Where and please don't cite the collapse of 7 World Trade Centre

[Counter-puncher]

7 World Trade Centre needed to watch its step and back off.

[banjo]

7 World Trade Centre needed to watch its step and back off.

[banjo]

Its not the religion of any sort which is evil

Prove it c*nt, there is no god that has been proven now go and get a woman.

It's effing idiots like you who i like to see in my rottweilers jaws.

Thats a bit extreme with much emotion...But Your comment on the picture explains your mentality anyway

Mentality? Ooh I'm a bad man for wanting to do what the fornicate I want when I want rather than toe the line like all the dribbling retarded sheep we have in the world who latch on to a certain cause or belief because they think it's the right thing to do.

My mentality would portray me as a maverick, a rebel without a cause or maybe even a loose cannon but I'm having fun being that way.

[Counter-puncher]

My mentality would portray me as a maverick, a rebel without a cause or maybe even a loose cannon but I'm having fun being that way.

banjo's just a jack-the-lad, everyone knows this, it's how he is.