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jessi wrote:well thats see, all the people i know who would buy khan ppv on sky will still do so on primetime !

slapbangwhallop wrote:

jessi wrote:well thats see, all the people i know who would buy khan ppv on sky will still do so on primetime !

I doubt it. No "big SKY push", no ads all week, no SKY Sport News updates, no 'Beyond the Ropes' programmes, no Ringside special, no coverage of the weigh-in.

jessi wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote:

jessi wrote:well thats see, all the people i know who would buy khan ppv on sky will still do so on primetime !

I doubt it. No "big SKY push", no ads all week, no SKY Sport News updates, no 'Beyond the Ropes' programmes, no Ringside special, no coverage of the weigh-in.

i agree it wont sell as many, but amir khan fans will still buy this, and the average boxing fan might too, but the casual fan wont even know about primetime, although saying that sky have already promoted this show so alot of people now know the date. but it has to sell atleast 50,000 surley ?

Glyn Leach wrote:

jessi wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote: I doubt it. No "big SKY push", no ads all week, no SKY Sport News updates, no 'Beyond the Ropes' programmes, no Ringside special, no coverage of the weigh-in.

i agree it wont sell as many, but amir khan fans will still buy this, and the average boxing fan might too, but the casual fan wont even know about primetime, although saying that sky have already promoted this show so alot of people now know the date. but it has to sell atleast 50,000 surley ?

Primetime's problem is they don't advertise enough. Sky may well have publicised the event, but they won't point viewers in the direction of another channel. 50,000? I heard that one Khan PPV only did 25,000, though I don't recall which one and it was only hearsay.

leforge wrote:If Khan had choosen Prescott I think this would still been on ppv.

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boxingchat wrote:

stujones wrote: I do largely agree with this, particularly the part I've bolded. Very unproffesional from Sky - they should have waited untill a concrete undercard before agreeing the PPV or stated McCloskey didn't cut it from the word go. It was a tough one for the promotion team to handle though - they obviously wanted a tune up for Bradley and who else was available - this isn't a barely top 50 fighter being rejected - this is a top 15 fighter - and the #2 ranked Brit (I don't want to go there about Nationalities - I hope you know what I mean) - Problem is, Khan isn't in the hotbed of big names - hardly anyone has heard of the Unified (twice) champ. If McCloskey got rejected without a cracking undercard - then who would get accepted.

There are 2 parts I do disagree with.

1) -Hasn't rung any UK promoter..... okay, well we know your contacts so I am sure you are correct here but does it have to be a Uk promoter? They certainly rang other promoters - Macklin vs Gevor was a good fight.... and they clearly asked if Hennessy if Tyson Fury would be available - so they must have called them.

2) Tarnishing DLH or GBP in the same brush as Haye, Hatton, Harrison and Khan - did you see the bill this weekend? I think GBP involvement in this fight has been minimal. Just there as Khan's representative.

They havent rung anyone. Hennessy for Tyson Fury maybe, or the other way around probably, The world is a big place and with a £1m loss on the cards a little bit of expense could have prevented this mess. Golden Boy are his Promoters, they have let him down in my opinion.

Totally agree, seems that they have offered no support at all.

A really bad move by Khan, in my opinion, for what it's worth.

Glyn Leach wrote:Farcical but Sky only have themselves and their greed/lack of quality control to blame in my opinion. Remember, the date was announced as PPV even before an opponent had been named. What sort of quality control is that? Then, because McCloskey is a good challenger but not a big enough name, they start relying on the likes of Matthew Macklin and Tyson Fury to bolster the show. I'm sorry, but who the hell are those two at the end of the day? We know them, we appreciate them, but are they PPV material? I say no. And anyway, no one in the TV world sells a PPV on the strength of an undercard fight. It's the main event that's supposed to sell.

So then Sky do the right thing by taking it off PPV because they don't think it will sell and start blaming the promoters for not having found them a good enough undercard, when this is the company that declared the fight PPV without there even being an opponent!! Ridiculous, the card and particularly the OPPONENT should have been settled before it was even made PPV. But that's not how Sky work. They set a PPV date then try to fill it, it seems to me. And on this occasion they couldn't.

So Khan and McCloskey are offered far less than they'd originally been promised, and they've said eff that for a game of soldiers and gone to Primetime to take a punt on the fight selling. I feel sorry for them. It's their right to get the best deal possible and they were promised a good one, you can't blame them. But when it's snatched away from them through no fault of their own, what are they suppose to do? I wouldn't have done it myself, but they might as well take a punt on Primetime. But I don't think the fight will do particularly well on there. And Sky will take Khan back for Bradley, no worries - there's money to be made and they'll want to be part of it. There won't be any longterm damage to the relationship, bet your house on it. Money talks.

The whole thing's a joke but the point it started to go wrong was right at the start, when Sky decided that Khan vs TBA was good enough to charge 15 quid for. Let's hope they've learned from this and it will be the start of a more realistic era in the economic relationship between TV and boxing. The signs for that are good and I think Sky belatedly made the best move under the circumstances, even though they were at fault for all the problems.

leforge wrote:http://news.boxrec.com/news/2011/primet ... -mccloskey

£14.95 they have not learned anything. Also no mention of virgin media!

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

leforge wrote:http://news.boxrec.com/news/2011/primet ... -mccloskey

£14.95 they have not learned anything. Also no mention of virgin media!

You can get it via Virgin...it's Premier you can't...

stujones wrote:Interesting article from KG at BS - Team Khan is correct with SS3 - you do have to subscribe to the full sports package. You can get SS 1 and 2 for something like £10 a month - so... I can see the added frustration of Team Khan for the "bounce" to SKy Sports 3.... it wouldn't have nearly as well in the ratings as a SS1 bounce. All those BT vision customers who get the cheapest outlet for Sky Sports would have missed out - or needed to update.

How much of it is bullshit, but it seems reasonable to accept the pay drop but allow it on the most available Sports channel. A bit sly of Sky not to have it on SS1. They used to do that with Sky Sports Xtra - Holyfield vs Ruiz 3, Trinidad vs Vargas, Trinidad vs DLH - advertised as NON PPV - but essentially it was!

stujones wrote:Sky Sports 2 is part of the cheap package.... whats on there? - why not put it on free to air on Sky box office if they are such "for the people". Everyone can access the channel.

stujones wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:Farcical but Sky only have themselves and their greed/lack of quality control to blame in my opinion. Remember, the date was announced as PPV even before an opponent had been named. What sort of quality control is that? Then, because McCloskey is a good challenger but not a big enough name, they start relying on the likes of Matthew Macklin and Tyson Fury to bolster the show. I'm sorry, but who the hell are those two at the end of the day? We know them, we appreciate them, but are they PPV material? I say no. And anyway, no one in the TV world sells a PPV on the strength of an undercard fight. It's the main event that's supposed to sell.

So then Sky do the right thing by taking it off PPV because they don't think it will sell and start blaming the promoters for not having found them a good enough undercard, when this is the company that declared the fight PPV without there even being an opponent!! Ridiculous, the card and particularly the OPPONENT should have been settled before it was even made PPV. But that's not how Sky work. They set a PPV date then try to fill it, it seems to me. And on this occasion they couldn't.

So Khan and McCloskey are offered far less than they'd originally been promised, and they've said eff that for a game of soldiers and gone to Primetime to take a punt on the fight selling. I feel sorry for them. It's their right to get the best deal possible and they were promised a good one, you can't blame them. But when it's snatched away from them through no fault of their own, what are they suppose to do? I wouldn't have done it myself, but they might as well take a punt on Primetime. But I don't think the fight will do particularly well on there. And Sky will take Khan back for Bradley, no worries - there's money to be made and they'll want to be part of it. There won't be any longterm damage to the relationship, bet your house on it. Money talks.

The whole thing's a joke but the point it started to go wrong was right at the start, when Sky decided that Khan vs TBA was good enough to charge 15 quid for. Let's hope they've learned from this and it will be the start of a more realistic era in the economic relationship between TV and boxing. The signs for that are good and I think Sky belatedly made the best move under the circumstances, even though they were at fault for all the problems.

Excellent Excellent Excellent post

black panther wrote:Only point I don't agree with is that all PPVs' are sold on the back on a main event. Most are but I'm pretty sure quite a few Don King and FW have been sold on the back of a bumper card packed full of good fights eg. The Magnificent Seven Bill.

Glyn Leach wrote:

black panther wrote:Only point I don't agree with is that all PPVs' are sold on the back on a main event. Most are but I'm pretty sure quite a few Don King and FW have been sold on the back of a bumper card packed full of good fights eg. The Magnificent Seven Bill.

You've got a point re Mag 7 type shows Panther, but the main events in those are only nominal, it's the strength in depth of the card that's the selling point. Quantity (albeit decent) over quality.