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Jon Saxon wrote:

wesley05 wrote:Kells a top top kid and a wicked boxer wots ya problem with his style mate ??

see above.

You are a boxing anorak pal ,but im no psychiatrist but u seen to have a lot issues with the ingles not kell have you trained down winco ??

wesley05 wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:

wesley05 wrote:Kells a top top kid and a wicked boxer wots ya problem with his style mate ??

see above.

You are a boxing anorak pal ,but im no psychiatrist but u seen to have a lot issues with the ingles not kell have you trained down winco ??

You have me pegged wrong.
I have no issues whatsoever,(with the Ingles, but perhalps I have plenty of my own) In fact think Brendan seems like a really nice man, dont really know much aout his sons to even comment on them.
i sued to love al the mad names Brendan would come up with "Slugger O'toole' etc..
I have been around for years on the boards (Im a dogpounder at heart)
I have never been to Shefield, but i am a total boxing nut who loves the sport and all the many areas of it.
I'm in no way conncted to anyone in the sport just a pure fan who cals it as i see it.

I think overal I was quite compimentry regarding the Inglle's, I mean if you want to really see me in action ask me about Rick Parker.

Jon Saxon wrote:

wesley05 wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote: see above.

You are a boxing anorak pal ,but im no psychiatrist but u seen to have a lot issues with the ingles not kell have you trained down winco ??

You have me pegged wrong.
I have no issues whatsoever,(with the Ingles, but perhalps I have plenty of my own) In fact think Brendan seems like a really nice man, dont really know much aout his sons to even comment on them.
i sued to love al the mad names Brendan would come up with "Slugger O'toole' etc..
I have been around for years on the boards (Im a dogpounder at heart)
I have never been to Shefield, but i am a total boxing nut who loves the sport and all the many areas of it.
I'm in no way conncted to anyone in the sport just a pure fan who cals it as i see it.

I think overal I was quite compimentry regarding the Inglle's, I mean if you want to really see me in action ask me about Rick Parker.

a think you are from Sheffield a former ingles boy who fell out we them ..... am a close mate ???

Jon Saxon wrote:

danfoster wrote: I dont really understand the question about head-hunting to be honest.

Why do you think that the USA promoters havent sent thier fighters to the UK to receieve the Ingle treatment?

Did Don King not send one of his heavyweights ?

It's Herol not Errol Graham.

"None of his fighters could stay at top World level" - as has been stated many times, Naz beat all the other champions.

Poor trollmanship.

wesley05 wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:

wesley05 wrote: You are a boxing anorak pal ,but im no psychiatrist but u seen to have a lot issues with the ingles not kell have you trained down winco ??

You have me pegged wrong.
I have no issues whatsoever,(with the Ingles, but perhalps I have plenty of my own) In fact think Brendan seems like a really nice man, dont really know much aout his sons to even comment on them.
i sued to love al the mad names Brendan would come up with "Slugger O'toole' etc..
I have been around for years on the boards (Im a dogpounder at heart)
I have never been to Shefield, but i am a total boxing nut who loves the sport and all the many areas of it.
I'm in no way conncted to anyone in the sport just a pure fan who cals it as i see it.

I think overal I was quite compimentry regarding the Inglle's, I mean if you want to really see me in action ask me about Rick Parker.

a think you are from Sheffield a former ingles boy who fell out we them ..... am a close mate ???

well off, I'm from the Scottish countryside.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:

danfoster wrote: I dont really understand the question about head-hunting to be honest.

Why do you think that the USA promoters havent sent thier fighters to the UK to receieve the Ingle treatment?

Did Don King not send one of his heavyweights ?

It's Herol not Errol Graham.

"None of his fighters could stay at top World level" - as has been stated many times, Naz beat all the other champions.

Poor trollmanship.

Junk junk junk, I'm not a troll and have never been, do you really think by putting "Poor trollmanship" in a responce that it will in someway devalue what I have written or perhalps it will give you some gravitas? nah mate the facts dont lie.

I tell you what lets put this fact to the people one his board who YOU think know there stuff, why don't you ask say..Ian or Glyn Leach or one of the prominent journo's on here? well on you go..bet you wont like the answers my man.
Why dont you get them to share their vast knowledge with you? it will be pretty much the same as what I have written.

and for god sake please don't try to trivialize my valid points with your cheap flippancy and ok so it's Herol not Errol,(as in Christie) what's the point on firing cheap shots via grammatical errors? doesn't cut any mustard in a debate, god thats so childish.
What great fighter or reining champ didKing send to Sheffield?? was it like when he apointed Stewrad to plot Lennox's downfall? man I wouls love to know, howmany has he sent since?? is the next whiteUS hope coming to britain via king??

I'm a Naz fan and he never beat any of the great fighters of his era, he blatantly avoided (his madatory of TWO YEARS) Marquez who we all know would have slice and diced him, Barrera we also already know about, Morales, then PacMan? hell i think Freitas and Chico (a weight) up would have koe'd him within 5.

Now come back with something better or untill then you will look.... well...(and i hate to say this) Owned.

You have said Naz was past is best when he lost to MAB......so how would a prime Naz have gone on in your world...also Nelson wa avoided by Jirov and had 13 world title wins some bad some very good like Dominges and Sellers and Graham at one time weather you like it or not at one time was at the elite at him weight to say the style does not work say that to the three world champions and the countless euro com and british champions the gye has turned out

Jon, you seem very sour and are trying to argue that black is white, which gives you a lack of credibility, I feel.

I'd love to tell you the King fighter, but you're an expert on boxing and you've already said we know nothing about boxing.

He wasn't white, troll.




PS "any decent trainer" -you've still not named a British one.

SOUTHPAW wrote:You have said Naz was past is best when he lost to MAB......so how would a prime Naz have gone on in your world...also Nelson wa avoided by Jirov and had 13 world title wins some bad some very good like Dominges and Sellers and Graham at one time weather you like it or not at one time was at the elite at him weight to say the style does not work say that to the three world champions and the countless euro com and british champions the gye has turned out

I believe that a prime Naz might have stopped un ander developed Barrera at SB within 6 rounds.
However Barrera did something that Naz could not, adapt and go forward.
However a prime Naz would lose to Barrera at FW as after the Jnr Jones loss Marco was to smart for him , I always thought that Naz should never have went to FW, still he was a growing boy.

Nelson was not a true elite at the weight, Johnny never won the REAL title, he never defeated the man at his weight, he barley got by Jones.

Nelson was "avoided" by the gold medalist and undefeated punching machine in Jirov? lol who are you kidding, Johnny was seen as king stinker and could barley get on tv at one point, man where have you been hiding??
man GTFOOH with that junk, like Nelson was on Jirov's US agenda at that point? come on!
and lets not mention Gomez who would have chased Johnny out of the ring.
Warren just love playing the who WBOWBU/WBfuckknowswho. etc etc.

big lennox wrote:Jon, you seem very sour and are trying to argue that black is white, which gives you a lack of credibility, I feel.

The above was a nothing post.

I give credible responses whereas you only type empty words.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:I'd love to tell you the King fighter, but you're an expert on boxing and you've already said we know nothing about boxing.

He wasn't white, troll.




PS "any decent trainer" -you've still not named a British one.

Sorry you dont get my humour, i wil explain for you,
what i meant was that great white hw's are like gold dust and i was joking that King would actually find one and send it over to britain..I mean that would be absurd wouldnt it?
I'm thinking you dont actually know the king fighter as there wasnt one that i can recall, however if you want to show us all youyr wisdom then please do unless of course he came to britain to just spar, you could use that as your get out clause)

great british trainer, I think Enzo is great, i think George Francis (god rest his soul) was fantastic, hmm I think Adam Booth pretty forward thinking, do you want any more?
Oh and I must give a mention to the work done with Paul Ingle (was it steve Pollard i think so, yes it was) I mean how good was his head movement, one of the best i have ever seen.

However none of them come near to a Eddie Futch, Manny or probably Freddie Roach,

Is this hard for you to understand?

Thanks for that, I ws getting concerned that I might be turning into a subconsious troll there

You knoiw what I would rather Kell fought someone like Corley than Ndou,
I want to see what he's like with another slippery fighter.
In fact him and Judah down the road would be a good one.

Jon Saxon wrote:

SOUTHPAW wrote:You have said Naz was past is best when he lost to MAB......so how would a prime Naz have gone on in your world...also Nelson wa avoided by Jirov and had 13 world title wins some bad some very good like Dominges and Sellers and Graham at one time weather you like it or not at one time was at the elite at him weight to say the style does not work say that to the three world champions and the countless euro com and british champions the gye has turned out

I believe that a prime Naz might have stopped un ander developed Barrera at SB within 6 rounds.
However Barrera did something that Naz could not, adapt and go forward.
However a prime Naz would lose to Barrera at FW as after the Jnr Jones loss Marco was to smart for him , I always thought that Naz should never have went to FW, still he was a growing boy.

Nelson was not a true elite at the weight, Johnny never won the REAL title, he never defeated the man at his weight, he barley got by Jones.

Nelson was "avoided" by the gold medalist and undefeated punching machine in Jirov? lol who are you kidding, Johnny was seen as king stinker and could barley get on tv at one point, man where have you been hiding??
man GTFOOH with that junk, like Nelson was on Jirov's US agenda at that point? come on!
and lets not mention Gomez who would have chased Johnny out of the ring.
Warren just love playing the who WBOWBU/WBfuckknowswho. etc etc.

At that time nobody defeated the man at the weight...i remember at the time people saying Nelson could on his night beat the other two and offers were made to Jirov but turned down and Jones would give anybody nightmares you sould know that jon knowing everything about everything...Naz when he won the title and a couple of years after would have beaten MAB at feather just stop listen to the man who thought him everything he knew.....Then Steward got envolved and tried to make him in to more of a fighter...that worked

BIGMARK wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:Thanks for that, I ws getting concerned that I might be turning into a subconsious troll there

You knoiw what I would rather Kell fought someone like Corley than Ndou,
I want to see what he's like with another slippery fighter.
In fact him and Judah down the road would be a good one.

NDOU is a tough fight as the man is a tough fella but to be honest has seen better days as has Corley. This i think is the right step for him at the moment and a fight i expect him to come through quite easily, looking good at the same as sure Hearn had in mind when he picked him. A slippery fighter would be interesting but who is the question? i felt he should of re-matched Jennings but it never happened as IMO opinion for the time it lasted Brook seemed to have problems working him out and looked quite subdued

I agree hat Ndou is a good static target but I think he's fought that type befoe, I just feel that another Corley, Judah, dare I say Floyd style type might be differant for him. maybe Paulie Malignaggi? or what about Paul Spadafora?

BIGMARK wrote:didnt Jones fail a drugs test after he drew with Nelson? if so that kind of makes that result invalid, i with Jon with Nelson and although i think he was a talented fighter he would of lost to Jirov and Gomez if they had fought

He did, I think it was for ephidrine.

To think Jones used to be a welterweght, how mad is that??

Jon Saxon wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:I'd love to tell you the King fighter, but you're an expert on boxing and you've already said we know nothing about boxing.
He wasn't white, troll.

PS "any decent trainer" -you've still not named a British one.

Sorry you dont get my humour, i wil explain for you,
what i meant was that great white hw's are like gold dust and i was joking that King would actually find one and send it over to britain..I mean that would be absurd wouldnt it?
I'm thinking you dont actually know the king fighter as there wasnt one that i can recall, however if you want to show us all youyr wisdom then please do unless of course he came to britain to just spar, you could use that as your get out clause)
great british trainer, I think Enzo is great, i think George Francis (god rest his soul) was fantastic, hmm I think Adam Booth pretty forward thinking, do you want any more?
Oh and I must give a mention to the work done with Paul Ingle (was it steve Pollard i think so, yes it was) I mean how good was his head movement, one of the best i have ever seen.
However none of them come near to a Eddie Futch, Manny or probably Freddie Roach,
Is this hard for you to understand?

Are these the trainers who will tell you the flaws in the Ingle system ?
All good trainers. Of course, none of their fighters got hit never mind put down, like that Errol bloke once did.
I don't need to show you my wisdom - you've already owned me haven't you.

big lennox wrote:Jon, you seem very sour and are trying to argue that black is white, which gives you a lack of credibility, I feel.

No, he has seen flaws in the Ingle style. He prefers the head movement of Paul Ingle, who lost by 8 rounds against the flawed Hamed, but Paul Ingle's head movement was still his preferred style.
I was also at Ingle's fight against Botile in Sheffield which almost ended tragically.

You're coming across as a bitter man, Jon Saxon.

SOUTHPAW wrote:Mr Saxon.....Have you been down to the Ingles for sparring or something...and one of the kids down there made you look a fool......please the man is the most successfull trainer in the country .....he does not hand pick who he trains like some of the people you have said,he brings them though from the start....and im sorry but Stewart did a great job with Naz

Manny blamed the "spirits" at the training camp.

A bit more from Kell:

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2011/amir-k ... kell-brook

As he says, he'll have to get a world title first...

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

big lennox wrote:Jon, you seem very sour and are trying to argue that black is white, which gives you a lack of credibility, I feel.

No, he has seen flaws in the Ingle style. He prefers the head movement of Paul Ingle, who lost by 8 rounds against the flawed Hamed, but Paul Ingle's head movement was still his preferred style.
I was also at Ingle's fight against Botile in Sheffield which almost ended tragically.

You're coming across as a bitter man, Jon Saxon.

Again you taking out of context, just because I like Ingle's head movement doesent mean I think he has the style of Ray Robinson, you're clutching at baws my good man.

As for bitter...hmm dont you have to have been involved in something that makes you bitter? your not making sense.

PS Get you facts right Ingle lost in 11 to Naz and up untill the point of the ko looked like he might stop Naz, in fact if it wasnt for the Manny Steward induced bodyshots he might have pulled it off, what do you think?

okay, I'll try to save some time for you all here with an apposite phrase.


The Ingle style really, really tends to polarise boxing fans.


on this, I hope, we can all agree




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Counter-puncher wrote:okay, I'll try to save some time for you all here with an apposite phrase.


The Ingle style really, really tends to polarise boxing fans.


on this, I hope, we can all agree




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But as i have said I like it, so I guess the other posters must be on my side of the polarity

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:I'd love to tell you the King fighter, but you're an expert on boxing and you've already said we know nothing about boxing.
He wasn't white, troll.

PS "any decent trainer" -you've still not named a British one.

Sorry you dont get my humour, i wil explain for you,
what i meant was that great white hw's are like gold dust and i was joking that King would actually find one and send it over to britain..I mean that would be absurd wouldnt it?
I'm thinking you dont actually know the king fighter as there wasnt one that i can recall, however if you want to show us all youyr wisdom then please do unless of course he came to britain to just spar, you could use that as your get out clause)
great british trainer, I think Enzo is great, i think George Francis (god rest his soul) was fantastic, hmm I think Adam Booth pretty forward thinking, do you want any more?
Oh and I must give a mention to the work done with Paul Ingle (was it steve Pollard i think so, yes it was) I mean how good was his head movement, one of the best i have ever seen.
However none of them come near to a Eddie Futch, Manny or probably Freddie Roach,
Is this hard for you to understand?

Are these the trainers who will tell you the flaws in the Ingle system ?
All good trainers. Of course, none of their fighters got hit never mind put down, like that Errol bloke once did.
I don't need to show you my wisdom - you've already owned me haven't you.

OK young man I have a really (and I mean REALLY) simple question for you, all you need to do is say YES or NO, easy for you?

Do you think that the Brendan Ingle system is flawed? yes or no

Cant WAIT for your responce as it's going to be my singnature from now on.