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be a good opponent especially at short notice

He's handsome, too, almost as handsome as Eddie

black panther wrote:

Eraserhead wrote:I reckon it ends up being this guy...

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Southpaw, Spanish and shite. Seems to fit the bill.

Mate he's far from shite - he'd be a very worthy opponent at 3 days notice. He beat Garay and Shumenov in their own back yards and was blatently robbed in the Shumenov rematch.

True. He's not that bad. Just not what I had in mind for a 'world' title, PPV type event.

The buture's fright for Degale/Groves

Eraserhead wrote:

black panther wrote:

Eraserhead wrote:I reckon it ends up being this guy...

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Southpaw, Spanish and shite. Seems to fit the bill.

Mate he's far from shite - he'd be a very worthy opponent at 3 days notice. He beat Garay and Shumenov in their own back yards and was blatently robbed in the Shumenov rematch.

True. He's not that bad. Just not what I had in mind for a 'world' title, PPV type event.

Yeah defo agree with you there. This bill aint PPV, never was to start with IMO.

Glyn Leach wrote:This definitely puts Sky in a tricky position. As someone mentioned, they could be accused of double-standards here after the Khan fiasco — and the Khan faction are bound to be livid if Saturday goes ahead as a PPV, so Sky might want to bring their future relationship with Khan into the equation. That said, even as it stands this is a far stronger show than Khan-McCloskey. PPV level? Not in my opinion, despite DeGale-Groves being a very strong main event. But the big difference between this show and Khan-McCloskey is that we're in fight week now, many viewers will already have ordered the PPV — it hurts more to give money back than it does not to take it in the first place, and Sky are all about the money.

I dont think it does really. In the case of the majority of fans that will pay and see this card it will be Groves Degale and most likely if Warren gets a replacement Cleverly in a world title fight against a top 10 European.

The average fan has no name recognition of Braehmer and t them it will just be another Euro guy in against our Brit for a world title the PPV will go ahead.

Give the PPV a rest for christ sake, if you want to watch the fights pay it, if you don't then don't. A load of you will be asking for streams come fight night anyway.

taffytoon wrote:Give the PPV a rest for christ sake, if you want to watch the fights pay it, if you don't then don't. A load of you will be asking for streams come fight night anyway.

It'll be the death of the sport. 2 guys with 22 fights between them are topping a PPV bill without a decent undercard. This that it now for the winner? Should Degale win, are all his future fights to be PPV? Why would he want to except a pay cut in the future?

I told people on here when people were moaning about prizefighter pullouts. That Brahemer would not turn up. I got £200 quid tickets not very happy won't get a refund as Warren will still have CLeverly fighting a bum!

Cardiff-Lad1 wrote:

Lenny wrote:

taffytoon wrote:Give the PPV a rest for christ sake, if you want to watch the fights pay it, if you don't then don't. A load of you will be asking for streams come fight night anyway.

It'll be the death of the sport. 2 guys with 22 fights between them are topping a PPV bill without a decent undercard. This that it now for the winner? Should Degale win, are all his future fights to be PPV? Why would he want to except a pay cut in the future?

Its more to do with people whinging about paying £15 for PPV compared to people who are travelling up and shelling out a lot more. I guess he's trying to put it in perspective.

Thry'll pull something outta the woodwork in terms of a Clev opponent though and it'll hopefully mean it can still go ahead with a World title fight on the card.

I've been there holding a ticket for a match that doesn't happen and it's a shitter - it doesn't help the sport either, everytime I think about buying a ticket I have to ask myself how likely is it that either fighter will drop out.

The combined end result is that a few less people will give a shit about boxing

Clev vs Degale

Groves vs Smith


easy! 8)

taffytoon wrote:Give the PPV a rest for christ sake, if you want to watch the fights pay it, if you don't then don't. A load of you will be asking for streams come fight night anyway.

I think the points people are arguing are principles and precedents Taff, things that affect us all and will have a bearing on the future of boxing in this country. Valid stuff IMO and not just a matter of buy it or don't, though that will always be the definitive factor in any PPV

MachoMan09 wrote:This is the second big event in a row (previous one being Klitschko vs Chisora) where I have ended up with a redundant ticket. I am no longer travelling down for this, as Braehmer was the fighter I was going to watch and support. That's boxing.

Raffle it on here. Get anyone who's interested to pay £1 a go, stick all the entries in a hat and draw the winner! Might make a few quid of it back

danfoster wrote:Special prize for anyone who can tell me which German TV network bought the rights to this fight ...

No german TV stations bought the rights for this fight, it was going to be shown as PPV on a newspapers website... Universum doesnt have any TV contract anymore, and that is why they are down to 10 fighters + Maidada.

TBA is on standby and TBC is being considered too!

Will we see a 174lb Enzo wheeled out for this?

leforge wrote:I told people on here when people were moaning about prizefighter pullouts. That Brahemer would not turn up. I got £200 quid tickets not very happy won't get a refund as Warren will still have CLeverly fighting a bum!

This is actually one of my biggest bugbears with boxing. Ticket prices are high relative to other forms of entertainment and yet the ticket you purchase is not, as one would expect, for Fighter A v Fighter B but typically for "International Boxing Action" or some such. This allows the ticket sellers to deny refunds when a boxer, who is the reason for a ticket being purchased in the first place, pulls out.

I can't think of another form of entertainment, whether it be sport, theatre, concerts, etc where the event you purchased a ticket for can change so much with no access to a refund. Maybe if the appropriate authorities (i'm guessing it would be trading standards rather than the BBBC) put an end to this practice, promoters such as Warren would be under more pressure to ensure cards go ahead as advertised rather than coining in the same amount for a significantly reduced product.

This is what frank said about the kahn ppv
Amir and one of his spokesmen have said he is "a pay-per-view fighter". He may be, but the fact is him against McCloskey with a poor undercard is not a pay-per-view event - that's what the issue is and the problem Team Khan do not seem to understand.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... z1MhrteONJ

Also

I've been asked if James DeGale and George Groves is worthy of a PPV.
They are both unbeaten and I think their intense rivalry sells the fight, but don't forget the main event is a cracking world title showdown between Nathan Cleverly and Jurgen Braehmer with other title bouts.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... z1MhsXCsMi
Well let as see what he pulls out of the bag. Because from what he said about the kahn fight this bill is no longer ppv worthy. A good main event backed up by a good under card. well all we have now is a good under card.
How your words come back to bite you

I'm almost certain in last month's Boxing Monthly that when asked if any of the three brits were PPV-worthy, Warren said not yet, but it has to be PPV for the fight to go ahead. not Sky's idea it would seem. now that the only world champion on the bill has pulled out, it's a no-brainer that this should be free.
Maybe if the Khan-McCloskey farce hadn't happened Sky would be able to get away with keeping it PPV, not so soon after though. I reckon Smith & co will do what's right and put it on for free. Only way either of the two lads on the main event (the real main event anyway) are going to get the publicity needed to launch their careers

The curse of Denis Inkin strikes again

I'm going to email my pirate stream provider and demand this for 99p now instead of £1.99.

Joking aside, I can appreciate if they still move forward as a PPV event, but at the end of the day, the price should surely be reduced.

I bet Frank is fuming with it all - and who can blame him ? half of Wales WAS going to pay £15.00 a home for that fight. He will break his neck to find anyone to fill the void.

Or maybe Frank has been savvy and forecast something like this could happen with ze German and has someone already primed and ready.

I'd imagine it to be a Super middleweight with a bit of pork on them. It's too short notice to get a legit 175lb contender to step in with 24 hours to go - unless they give them 5lb extra to play with on the scales.

Totally choked… Was so looking forward to this and it’s my birthday on 21st… I am all geared up for it PPV or not.

Come on lads, what is the BEST case scenario? They find a replacement for Cleverly to fight – who is the best we can hope for?

This will probably be the last Warren card I pay for. At least in advance. After 6 years of being dicked around, it's time to cut my losses.

smcb80 wrote:I'm almost certain in last month's Boxing Monthly that when asked if any of the three brits were PPV-worthy, Warren said not yet, but it has to be PPV for the fight to go ahead. not Sky's idea it would seem. now that the only world champion on the bill has pulled out, it's a no-brainer that this should be free.
Maybe if the Khan-McCloskey farce hadn't happened Sky would be able to get away with keeping it PPV, not so soon after though. I reckon Smith & co will do what's right and put it on for free. Only way either of the two lads on the main event (the real main event anyway) are going to get the publicity needed to launch their careers

FW's actual words were 'I'd rather they weren't at this stage in their careers ... But at present it's the only way we can get the money together to get these matches done.'

whiteboy wrote:Clev vs Degale

Groves vs Smith


easy! 8)

A PPV Bonanza!!

MachoMan09 wrote:Come Saturday there will only be the anoraks (us) griping about this fiasco. Cleverley will be facing a pudding in his first defence as World Champion and the Welsh will lap it up. The average punter doesn't know Juergen Braehmer from Adam and providing their boy's arm is raised at the end they won't give a monkey's.

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