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mkirkhope wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:
Eh? there is, its on HBO and they have done a face off.

This fight has caught the US imagination

It is being shown for free by HBO because they didn't think there was enough interest in it to make it a pay per view (despite most big fights shown there being ppv). I was also in NY last week (and in the company of boxing fans) and no-one seemed that bothered about it. I fully accept that is anecdotal evidence though.

I just didn't really hear anything about it over there and didn't see much interest in it. It reminds me a bit of some other fights involving British fighters where our media tells us its the biggest event ever but in other countries they dont seem too interested.

Adamj1987 wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

Spiker wrote:I support boxing no matter what nationality a fighter is.
The fact that haye is british makes no odds to me i still think Wlad beats him.
i'm not keen on hayes stupid schoolboy antics he just sounds like a 12 year old to me and it has put me off him a lot, but on the whole if they are a good fighter then im a fan.
Haye just needs to shut the eff up.

If you support boxing you support haye !! simple as, what does the sport gain from wlad winning?

what does boxing really win from haye winning? haye wins fights vitali and wins then retires. WOOO boxing got a big leg up there

i'll be supporting haye though saying that as i like haye but i've always enjoyed watching the klitschkos

kingfinn wrote:

Adamj1987 wrote:

kingfinn wrote: If you support boxing you support haye !! simple as, what does the sport gain from wlad winning?

what does boxing really win from haye winning? haye wins fights vitali and wins then retires. WOOO boxing got a big leg up there

i'll be supporting haye though saying that as i like haye but i've always enjoyed watching the klitschkos

1. All the major titles will become free if haye wins them and then retires (since if wlad wins he'll stick around for years holding onto them)
2. We get Haye v Vitali if haye wins which will be huge worldwide.

Look we're saying the HW division is boring but in reality if you take away k2 the rest of the division would be competative, it may not be of the same standard as yester year but never the lest its competative.

Adamj1987 wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

Adamj1987 wrote: what does boxing really win from haye winning? haye wins fights vitali and wins then retires. WOOO boxing got a big leg up there

i'll be supporting haye though saying that as i like haye but i've always enjoyed watching the klitschkos

1. All the major titles will become free if haye wins them and then retires (since if wlad wins he'll stick around for years holding onto them)
2. We get Haye v Vitali if haye wins which will be huge worldwide.

Look we're saying the HW division is boring but in reality if you take away k2 the rest of the division would be competative, it may not be of the same standard as yester year but never the lest its competative.

is that a good thing though to have 4 boxers claiming to be champion, no it is not. i'd rather have a klitschko holding all the belts than 4 david haye's all refusing to fight each other

Adamj1987 wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:Whoever ends up as champ, Haye, Wlad or Vitali, they would all be top man in a dead division rammed with average contenders. Wlad's style can't be blamed for the fact that the rest of the division is so poor. America has no interest because it has no heavyweights.
It would be more interesting if Haye was champ because his style makes him 'easier to beat', but only by the same dreadful bunch the Ks have been beating because there's nothing else out there. Would a champ who stands more chance of losing vs these same challengers make the division better? In entertainment value yes, not in quality though. It's a bit ironic to say the division would improve for having a more beatable champ than Wlad. Jameel
McCline and Tony Thompson wouldn't suddenly become quality contenders if Haye wins.

i have to disagree with that bit Glyn thompson is a quality operator, hes probably the best of the rest after haye and the klitschkos just age is a factor and he wont be around much longer, if he was 10 years younger people would be loving this guy but his loss to klitschko wasn't as bad as some and he's been sparring klitschko hopefully that will give him confidence if they fight again, then again he may keep the sparring partner mentality and lose badly :(

Glyn Leach wrote:

Adamj1987 wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:Whoever ends up as champ, Haye, Wlad or Vitali, they would all be top man in a dead division rammed with average contenders. Wlad's style can't be blamed for the fact that the rest of the division is so poor. America has no interest because it has no heavyweights.
It would be more interesting if Haye was champ because his style makes him 'easier to beat', but only by the same dreadful bunch the Ks have been beating because there's nothing else out there. Would a champ who stands more chance of losing vs these same challengers make the division better? In entertainment value yes, not in quality though. It's a bit ironic to say the division would improve for having a more beatable champ than Wlad. Jameel
McCline and Tony Thompson wouldn't suddenly become quality contenders if Haye wins.

i have to disagree with that bit Glyn thompson is a quality operator, hes probably the best of the rest after haye and the klitschkos just age is a factor and he wont be around much longer, if he was 10 years younger people would be loving this guy but his loss to klitschko wasn't as bad as some and he's been sparring klitschko hopefully that will give him confidence if they fight again, then again he may keep the sparring partner mentality and lose badly :(

Adam, the point I'm trying to make is that a change of champion this weekend cannot turn Thompson or any other beaten challenger, or contender, into a better fighter or improve the division's quality. And it can't mate, can it?

Britannian Stallion wrote:If Boente actually believes this then he is completely effing deluded. He clearly has no idea about British boxing fans who create a football stadium atmosphere as opposed to the conservative, quiet middle class crowd at German boxing events who know eff all about the sport and go for a posh night out. He probably believes that we consider Haye's brashness to be vulgar because this is how Klitschko's German "fan" base would consider such an attitude to be.

kingfinn wrote:

mkirkhope wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:
Eh? there is, its on HBO and they have done a face off.

This fight has caught the US imagination

It is being shown for free by HBO because they didn't think there was enough interest in it to make it a pay per view (despite most big fights shown there being ppv). I was also in NY last week (and in the company of boxing fans) and no-one seemed that bothered about it. I fully accept that is anecdotal evidence though.

I just didn't really hear anything about it over there and didn't see much interest in it. It reminds me a bit of some other fights involving British fighters where our media tells us its the biggest event ever but in other countries they dont seem too interested.

All of pac and floyds latest fights have been on sky for free as well! so whats your point?

mkirkhope wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

mkirkhope wrote: It is being shown for free by HBO because they didn't think there was enough interest in it to make it a pay per view (despite most big fights shown there being ppv). I was also in NY last week (and in the company of boxing fans) and no-one seemed that bothered about it. I fully accept that is anecdotal evidence though.

I just didn't really hear anything about it over there and didn't see much interest in it. It reminds me a bit of some other fights involving British fighters where our media tells us its the biggest event ever but in other countries they dont seem too interested.

All of pac and floyds latest fights have been on sky for free as well! so whats your point?

I'm not sure why you are talking about sky tv here when I was making a point about the interest in the states, but I'm sure you know that any really big boxing match over there is on ppv these days. The fact that this fight is being shown for free in non-primetime there says a lot about how big it is on the world scale, whether you like it or not. The biggest fights in world boxing don't take place in Hamburg.

In fact on Pardon The Interruption (one of the most watched sports shows in the USA - which you can see on ESPN here) yesterday, one of the presenters said "who is David Haye anyway?" and then went on to explain that the fight is being shown as part of the buildup to the main sports event on tv that day - a womens world cup football game!

And I don't believe the stuff about the Americans not watching it because an american isn't involved - they are getting excited about Pacquiao vs Marquez already and neither of them are from the USA.

I'm not saying we shouldn't get excited about it or have massive interest in it, I'm just fed up hearing that its the "biggest fight in 10 years" or "the best thing to happen to boxing in a long long time" when its clearly not, and in reality is not getting much hype in the main boxing markets. It seems like its only here in the UK that we seem to think Haye is bringing "amazing excitement" to the HW division - presumably by knocking out a scared and limited Fraudley and playing hide and seek with Valuev for 12 rounds.

No doubt I'll get knocked for this and called unpatriotic etc. I'm pleased a British sportsman has this chance (although I'm not Haye's no.1 fan) and appreciate its a big sporting occasion for the country. However, I'm over all this nonsense about Haye being the saviour of boxing.

LeedsLad wrote:

mkirkhope wrote:

kingfinn wrote: All of pac and floyds latest fights have been on sky for free as well! so whats your point?

I'm not sure why you are talking about sky tv here when I was making a point about the interest in the states, but I'm sure you know that any really big boxing match over there is on ppv these days. The fact that this fight is being shown for free in non-primetime there says a lot about how big it is on the world scale, whether you like it or not. The biggest fights in world boxing don't take place in Hamburg.

In fact on Pardon The Interruption (one of the most watched sports shows in the USA - which you can see on ESPN here) yesterday, one of the presenters said "who is David Haye anyway?" and then went on to explain that the fight is being shown as part of the buildup to the main sports event on tv that day - a womens world cup football game!

And I don't believe the stuff about the Americans not watching it because an american isn't involved - they are getting excited about Pacquiao vs Marquez already and neither of them are from the USA.

I'm not saying we shouldn't get excited about it or have massive interest in it, I'm just fed up hearing that its the "biggest fight in 10 years" or "the best thing to happen to boxing in a long long time" when its clearly not, and in reality is not getting much hype in the main boxing markets. It seems like its only here in the UK that we seem to think Haye is bringing "amazing excitement" to the HW division - presumably by knocking out a scared and limited Fraudley and playing hide and seek with Valuev for 12 rounds.

No doubt I'll get knocked for this and called unpatriotic etc. I'm pleased a British sportsman has this chance (although I'm not Haye's no.1 fan) and appreciate its a big sporting occasion for the country. However, I'm over all this nonsense about Haye being the saviour of boxing.

Agreed.

King Geedorah wrote:Haye is acting like he’s always acted. The gist seems to be that his behaviour for this specific fight has been off putting. So people forgave him for the t-shirt, the endless chat, the withdrawal in 2009, two pointless fights against Ruiz and Harrison, the ‘gang rape’ jibe and the PPV issues over his last fight yet have now turned on him because he called Wlad a ‘Borat’.

Yeah, because we all know that us Brits took the streets in protest of ethnic stereotyping when the Borat film was released.

Give it a rest, Bernard. You’re talking to a race of people who live in a shitty, piss wet through island and spend 80% of their lives, and media time, slating Johnny Foreigner, slagging immigrants and wondering why people have the nerve to speak their own language when we invade their country for our yearly holiday. Notions of stiff upper lip, British sporting play and respect went the way of the dodo yonks ago. We’re a Jeremy Kyle nation and are now similar to Americans, brash, uptight and mouthy.

Like a man dying from the feet up, it started with Cockneys and has now spread across the entire country. Sure, Haye has said a lot to promote this PPV event but he said a lot worse in the past.

As for Saint Wlad, we’ve never had blanket exposure to him so now we’re seeing him more often we like him and there is the temptation to say we prefer him. This is par for the course, a bit more exposure and we’d turn on him, his strange way of conducting himself and en masse we’d discover the phrase ‘passive-aggressive’ and apply it to him. We only like him because we hardly saw him prior to this fight.

His offer to translate for Haye was a way of humiliating Haye due to a perceived ignorance on David’s part. Wlad then latched onto the hand thing as a way of showing his opponent to somehow lack class. Then you had the “Put this on Twitter” jibe, with a subtext of “Because all you working class lot do is sit around pissing about on Twitter all day instead of using the Internet to read books like us Web 1.0 types”. Wlad is acting like a lower-middle class yobbo chiding a chav from the comfort of the Daily Mail letters page, fair enough, but he’s got to go out into tha’ street and confront the brash upstart and his gang of silver back gorillas.

A lot of people give Haye stick for disrespecting his opponent etc. but I imagine that Chisora is feeling sore towards Wlad. Two training camps jacked in and a fight disappearing over the horizon due to an injury that is bad enough to jack the fight but which didn’t prevent Wlad from signing for another immediately afterwards. Ditto for Adamek, should Haye win VK will find a way to ditch his next fight and take on Haye. Good for us, hard for Adamek and suggests that maybe they lack respect for us and the sport if you see things from this perspective.

Boxing is a sport that requires a certain amount of thought. This leads me to wonder why certain fans, not you lot, need to cast one guy as villain and one as hero in almost every single fight. Perhaps we have two bad guys in this one? Or even two good guys. I dunno.

Don’t diss silverback gorillas

Word out.

It's a sign of how much Britain has fallen in last 17-18 years that Haye's attitude is not considered vulgar and brash in the UK anyway

King Geedorah wrote:

tannervegas wrote:

King Geedorah wrote:Haye is acting like he’s always acted. The gist seems to be that his behaviour for this specific fight has been off putting. So people forgave him for the t-shirt, the endless chat, the withdrawal in 2009, two pointless fights against Ruiz and Harrison, the ‘gang rape’ jibe and the PPV issues over his last fight yet have now turned on him because he called Wlad a ‘Borat’.

Yeah, because we all know that us Brits took the streets in protest of ethnic stereotyping when the Borat film was released.

Give it a rest, Bernard. You’re talking to a race of people who live in a shitty, piss wet through island and spend 80% of their lives, and media time, slating Johnny Foreigner, slagging immigrants and wondering why people have the nerve to speak their own language when we invade their country for our yearly holiday. Notions of stiff upper lip, British sporting play and respect went the way of the dodo yonks ago. We’re a Jeremy Kyle nation and are now similar to Americans, brash, uptight and mouthy.

Like a man dying from the feet up, it started with Cockneys and has now spread across the entire country. Sure, Haye has said a lot to promote this PPV event but he said a lot worse in the past.

As for Saint Wlad, we’ve never had blanket exposure to him so now we’re seeing him more often we like him and there is the temptation to say we prefer him. This is par for the course, a bit more exposure and we’d turn on him, his strange way of conducting himself and en masse we’d discover the phrase ‘passive-aggressive’ and apply it to him. We only like him because we hardly saw him prior to this fight.

His offer to translate for Haye was a way of humiliating Haye due to a perceived ignorance on David’s part. Wlad then latched onto the hand thing as a way of showing his opponent to somehow lack class. Then you had the “Put this on Twitter” jibe, with a subtext of “Because all you working class lot do is sit around pissing about on Twitter all day instead of using the Internet to read books like us Web 1.0 types”. Wlad is acting like a lower-middle class yobbo chiding a chav from the comfort of the Daily Mail letters page, fair enough, but he’s got to go out into tha’ street and confront the brash upstart and his gang of silver back gorillas.

A lot of people give Haye stick for disrespecting his opponent etc. but I imagine that Chisora is feeling sore towards Wlad. Two training camps jacked in and a fight disappearing over the horizon due to an injury that is bad enough to jack the fight but which didn’t prevent Wlad from signing for another immediately afterwards. Ditto for Adamek, should Haye win VK will find a way to ditch his next fight and take on Haye. Good for us, hard for Adamek and suggests that maybe they lack respect for us and the sport if you see things from this perspective.

Boxing is a sport that requires a certain amount of thought. This leads me to wonder why certain fans, not you lot, need to cast one guy as villain and one as hero in almost every single fight. Perhaps we have two bad guys in this one? Or even two good guys. I dunno.

Don’t diss silverback gorillas

Word out.

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x 3 (+ Infinity) multiplied by GOD.

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tannervegas wrote:

King Geedorah wrote:Haye is acting like he’s always acted. The gist seems to be that his behaviour for this specific fight has been off putting. So people forgave him for the t-shirt, the endless chat, the withdrawal in 2009, two pointless fights against Ruiz and Harrison, the ‘gang rape’ jibe and the PPV issues over his last fight yet have now turned on him because he called Wlad a ‘Borat’.

Yeah, because we all know that us Brits took the streets in protest of ethnic stereotyping when the Borat film was released.

Give it a rest, Bernard. You’re talking to a race of people who live in a shitty, piss wet through island and spend 80% of their lives, and media time, slating Johnny Foreigner, slagging immigrants and wondering why people have the nerve to speak their own language when we invade their country for our yearly holiday. Notions of stiff upper lip, British sporting play and respect went the way of the dodo yonks ago. We’re a Jeremy Kyle nation and are now similar to Americans, brash, uptight and mouthy.

Like a man dying from the feet up, it started with Cockneys and has now spread across the entire country. Sure, Haye has said a lot to promote this PPV event but he said a lot worse in the past.

As for Saint Wlad, we’ve never had blanket exposure to him so now we’re seeing him more often we like him and there is the temptation to say we prefer him. This is par for the course, a bit more exposure and we’d turn on him, his strange way of conducting himself and en masse we’d discover the phrase ‘passive-aggressive’ and apply it to him. We only like him because we hardly saw him prior to this fight.

His offer to translate for Haye was a way of humiliating Haye due to a perceived ignorance on David’s part. Wlad then latched onto the hand thing as a way of showing his opponent to somehow lack class. Then you had the “Put this on Twitter” jibe, with a subtext of “Because all you working class lot do is sit around pissing about on Twitter all day instead of using the Internet to read books like us Web 1.0 types”. Wlad is acting like a lower-middle class yobbo chiding a chav from the comfort of the Daily Mail letters page, fair enough, but he’s got to go out into tha’ street and confront the brash upstart and his gang of silver back gorillas.

A lot of people give Haye stick for disrespecting his opponent etc. but I imagine that Chisora is feeling sore towards Wlad. Two training camps jacked in and a fight disappearing over the horizon due to an injury that is bad enough to jack the fight but which didn’t prevent Wlad from signing for another immediately afterwards. Ditto for Adamek, should Haye win VK will find a way to ditch his next fight and take on Haye. Good for us, hard for Adamek and suggests that maybe they lack respect for us and the sport if you see things from this perspective.

Boxing is a sport that requires a certain amount of thought. This leads me to wonder why certain fans, not you lot, need to cast one guy as villain and one as hero in almost every single fight. Perhaps we have two bad guys in this one? Or even two good guys. I dunno.

Don’t diss silverback gorillas

Word out.

X2

King Geedorah wrote: We’re a Jeremy Kyle nation and are now similar to Americans, brash, uptight and mouthy.

mkirkhope wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

mkirkhope wrote: It is being shown for free by HBO because they didn't think there was enough interest in it to make it a pay per view (despite most big fights shown there being ppv). I was also in NY last week (and in the company of boxing fans) and no-one seemed that bothered about it. I fully accept that is anecdotal evidence though.

I just didn't really hear anything about it over there and didn't see much interest in it. It reminds me a bit of some other fights involving British fighters where our media tells us its the biggest event ever but in other countries they dont seem too interested.

All of pac and floyds latest fights have been on sky for free as well! so whats your point?

I'm not sure why you are talking about sky tv here when I was making a point about the interest in the states, but I'm sure you know that any really big boxing match over there is on ppv these days. The fact that this fight is being shown for free in non-primetime there says a lot about how big it is on the world scale, whether you like it or not. The biggest fights in world boxing don't take place in Hamburg.

In fact on Pardon The Interruption (one of the most watched sports shows in the USA - which you can see on ESPN here) yesterday, one of the presenters said "who is David Haye anyway?" and then went on to explain that the fight is being shown as part of the buildup to the main sports event on tv that day - a womens world cup football game!

And I don't believe the stuff about the Americans not watching it because an american isn't involved - they are getting excited about Pacquiao vs Marquez already and neither of them are from the USA.

I'm not saying we shouldn't get excited about it or have massive interest in it, I'm just fed up hearing that its the "biggest fight in 10 years" or "the best thing to happen to boxing in a long long time" when its clearly not, and in reality is not getting much hype in the main boxing markets. It seems like its only here in the UK that we seem to think Haye is bringing "amazing excitement" to the HW division - presumably by knocking out a scared and limited Fraudley and playing hide and seek with Valuev for 12 rounds.

No doubt I'll get knocked for this and called unpatriotic etc. I'm pleased a British sportsman has this chance (although I'm not Haye's no.1 fan) and appreciate its a big sporting occasion for the country. However, I'm over all this nonsense about Haye being the saviour of boxing.

J wrote:newsflash vlad said he is going to knock haye the mofo out on sat.


come on lets have 19 threads on the use of bad language in vlads case now.

fairs fair. fackin pathetic grow up it aint a tickling contest you know.

mkirkhope wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

mkirkhope wrote: It is being shown for free by HBO because they didn't think there was enough interest in it to make it a pay per view (despite most big fights shown there being ppv). I was also in NY last week (and in the company of boxing fans) and no-one seemed that bothered about it. I fully accept that is anecdotal evidence though.

I just didn't really hear anything about it over there and didn't see much interest in it. It reminds me a bit of some other fights involving British fighters where our media tells us its the biggest event ever but in other countries they dont seem too interested.

All of pac and floyds latest fights have been on sky for free as well! so whats your point?

I'm not sure why you are talking about sky tv here when I was making a point about the interest in the states, but I'm sure you know that any really big boxing match over there is on ppv these days. The fact that this fight is being shown for free in non-primetime there says a lot about how big it is on the world scale, whether you like it or not. The biggest fights in world boxing don't take place in Hamburg.

In fact on Pardon The Interruption (one of the most watched sports shows in the USA - which you can see on ESPN here) yesterday, one of the presenters said "who is David Haye anyway?" and then went on to explain that the fight is being shown as part of the buildup to the main sports event on tv that day - a womens world cup football game!

And I don't believe the stuff about the Americans not watching it because an american isn't involved - they are getting excited about Pacquiao vs Marquez already and neither of them are from the USA.

I'm not saying we shouldn't get excited about it or have massive interest in it, I'm just fed up hearing that its the "biggest fight in 10 years" or "the best thing to happen to boxing in a long long time" when its clearly not, and in reality is not getting much hype in the main boxing markets. It seems like its only here in the UK that we seem to think Haye is bringing "amazing excitement" to the HW division - presumably by knocking out a scared and limited Fraudley and playing hide and seek with Valuev for 12 rounds.

No doubt I'll get knocked for this and called unpatriotic etc. I'm pleased a British sportsman has this chance (although I'm not Haye's no.1 fan) and appreciate its a big sporting occasion for the country. However, I'm over all this nonsense about Haye being the saviour of boxing.

kingfinn wrote:
In response to your comments which i have highlighted:

Because floyd is an american who isnt ppv in britain. And you were making the comment that Haye (a british fighter) isnt ppv in the US.

Wow who knew americans can be ignorant of things that go on outside their own country, you should know that since im assuming you're a brit.

JMM is a mexican who lives california - i belive they have a few mexicans in the US.
Pac fights mostly in the US and the actual fight is going to be in the US. So that would explain that wouldnt it.

Also just because a fight isnt big in the US doesnt mean its not big - this may be a confusing concept for you but 832 million people live in europe and plenty of them are boxing fans, especially the germans, ex soviets and the British. Again i expect you know this. So why you've written this nonesense is beyond me!

Next you'll be telling me the world cup isnt the biggest sporting event in the world because the americans dont watch football/soccer and a US presenter doesnt know who messi is.

Without a doubt the US market is massive but its not the end all and be all of everything, if it was they would have a decent HW contender.

And most intellegent americans would probably agree with my comments.