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Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 11:16
by Crease
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ummm, I singled out the WBC belt because that's the one that Trevor Berbick had. A different example could have been a different belt. Perhaps it is too complicated for you.
This is why some people don't like you.
;;-)
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 12:00
by Goodnight, Irene
Saad, its like you took a bullet for me in this thread. Im touched
Unfortunately, it has been in vain trying to explain the situation to Crease.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 12:48
by SaadOffTheDeck
Crease wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ummm, I singled out the WBC belt because that's the one that Trevor Berbick had. A different example could have been a different belt. Perhaps it is too complicated for you.
This is why some people don't like you.
;;-)
Someone that takes issue with my superior intellect has to deal with their insecurities on their own. I'm not a therapist and have no desire to be one. But that doesn't mean you should be so stubborn as not to learn some basic stuff. It will aid you in future endeavors.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 12:49
by SaadOffTheDeck
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Saad, its like you took a bullet for me in this thread. Im touched
Unfortunately, it has been in vain trying to explain the situation to Crease.
The WBC response made it all worthwhile. I laughed for a few minutes when I read that. Thanks Crease!
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 25 Aug 2011, 06:32
by dajuggernaut
flatnoseflynn wrote:Goodnight, Irene wrote:flatnoseflynn wrote:
WBA is a recognised championship so Valuev was a champion. Sorry FACT
Keyboard Warrior
Thanks for letting us know you started following the sport yesterday. We'll let you get a year or two under your belt before we continue.
15000 post? mate you must have a sad life
and before you get the grammer comments out tell somebody who cares
15,000 posts, what a loser.
oh wait...
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 25 Aug 2011, 11:24
by IRLangmaid25
Henry Cooper winning 3 Lonsdale Belts outright.
Edwin Valero's 27 consecutive knockouts.
Henry Armstrong fighting 30 times in a year.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 29 Aug 2011, 16:30
by The 1bangkid
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Livingstone Cole wrote:Tyson HW champ at 21. I can't see that happening.
What about that Welsh fella? The one that started fighting when he was 10 or something. That one should stay where it is too.
This record is a myth.
The youngest champ ever is Patterson, aged 20.
It will be a long time before Hopkins' new record as oldest linear champion in history is broken. Hell, I'm surprised Foreman's holding of the record didn't last longer (1994-2011). Foreman still holds the record for being oldest man to hold the linear championship, though (48, 1997), & that may stay forever. I doubt Hopkins will be Light-Heavy champ three years from now.
tyson is the youngest he beat berbick at 20 years, 4 months and 22 days old patterson was 21 years and 10 months
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 29 Aug 2011, 16:40
by Goodnight, Irene
Its a dumbass marathon
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 29 Aug 2011, 16:41
by SaadOffTheDeck
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Its a dumbass marathon
You're on your own, I did all I could.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 30 Aug 2011, 11:25
by The Great John L
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Its a dumbass marathon
And this insult coming from the one who stated that Floyd was 20 when he won his title.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 30 Aug 2011, 13:07
by JC
IRLangmaid25 wrote:Henry Cooper winning 3 Lonsdale Belts outright.
Edwin Valero's 27 consecutive knockouts.
Henry Armstrong fighting 30 times in a year.
The second two aren't really records.
Lamar Clark had 44 consecutive knockouts and several fighters had a streak of more than 27.
Several fighters (including Len Wickwar and Ted Kid Lewis) fought over 30 times in a year.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 30 Aug 2011, 13:24
by SaadOffTheDeck
J-C wrote:IRLangmaid25 wrote:Henry Cooper winning 3 Lonsdale Belts outright.
Edwin Valero's 27 consecutive knockouts.
Henry Armstrong fighting 30 times in a year.
The second two aren't really records.
Lamar Clark had 44 consecutive knockouts and several fighters had a streak of more than 27.
Several fighters (including Len Wickwar and Ted Kid Lewis) fought over 30 times in a year.
Greb went 45-0 in a year. Hank is up there for title defenses in a year.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 30 Aug 2011, 14:10
by flatnoseflynn
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Livingstone Cole wrote:Tyson HW champ at 21. I can't see that happening.
What about that Welsh fella? The one that started fighting when he was 10 or something. That one should stay where it is too.
This record is a myth.
The youngest champ ever is Patterson,
aged 20.
It will be a long time before Hopkins' new record as oldest linear champion in history is broken. Hell, I'm surprised Foreman's holding of the record didn't last longer (1994-2011). Foreman still holds the record for being oldest man to hold the linear championship, though (48, 1997), & that may stay forever. I doubt Hopkins will be Light-Heavy champ three years from now.
Impressive knowledge
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 01 Sep 2011, 15:09
by Alex
Livingstone Cole wrote:flatnoseflynn wrote:JDC wrote:
Whos that?
Nipper Pat Daly, real name Patrick Clifford Daley (17 February 1913 – 25 September 1988)
I think, if I'm remembering this correctly, his grandson posts or has posted here.
He was also ranked in the world's top 10 by
The Ring magazine aged just 16, which I imagine is a record.
Excuse the blatant plug, but there's a book out on Nipper Pat's ring career and life.
You can read the introduction and first chapter for FREE here:
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For more info visit:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -tale.html
- Colin Hart of
The Sun on the book and Nipper Pat's career
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak-EW3U0Q2s
- Steve Bunce reviews the book
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspA_pS4MdM
- the author on BBC Radio Wales
Or to buy the book visit:
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Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 05 Sep 2011, 09:55
by Crease
IRLangmaid25 wrote:Henry Cooper winning 3 Lonsdale Belts outright.
I think this could be beat if the boxers was world-class and stayed on the domestic scene long enough.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 05 Sep 2011, 10:54
by orbtastic
Crease wrote:IRLangmaid25 wrote:Henry Cooper winning 3 Lonsdale Belts outright.
I think this could be beat if the boxers was world-class and stayed on the domestic scene long enough.
BBBoC changed the rules, making it impossible. Same with winning titles at different weights.
I think, although I'd have to check, that several boxers have met the old criteria for winning 3 belts outright.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 05 Sep 2011, 12:14
by Crease
orbtastic wrote:BBBoC changed the rules, making it impossible. Same with winning titles at different weights.
I think, although I'd have to check, that several boxers have met the old criteria for winning 3 belts outright.
It's not impossible. They changed the rule so that a British Champion must defend the title three times before he can keep the belt. (It used to be two defences).
I a fighter wins the Lonsdale belt and defends it three times he gets to keep that belt.
And he could just do the same pattern three times over.
Equals he owns three Lonsdale belts.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 06 Sep 2011, 02:14
by jaclem2
feather weight ..sandy saddler......total bouts 162....kayos 103......retired with title because of eye injuries suffered in a car crash...
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 06 Sep 2011, 03:52
by JC
jaclem2 wrote:feather weight ..sandy saddler......total bouts 162....kayos 103......retired with title because of eye injuries suffered in a car crash...
Saddlers style always reminds me of Michael Spinks.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 06 Sep 2011, 04:28
by orbtastic
Crease wrote:orbtastic wrote:BBBoC changed the rules, making it impossible. Same with winning titles at different weights.
I think, although I'd have to check, that several boxers have met the old criteria for winning 3 belts outright.
It's not impossible. They changed the rule so that a British Champion must defend the title three times before he can keep the belt. (It used to be two defences).
I a fighter wins the Lonsdale belt and defends it three times he gets to keep that belt.
And he could just do the same pattern three times over.
Equals he owns three Lonsdale belts.
No, they changed the rule, in about 1987 I think. You cannot win more than one Lonsdale belt in the same division.
You can win a 2nd or third title in a 2nd or third division but let's face it, with the
other change of needing 4 notches, it's nigh on impossible too.
There are several boxers who have 9 W notches.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 06 Sep 2011, 11:10
by Crease
orbtastic wrote:No, they changed the rule, in about 1987 I think. You cannot win more than one Lonsdale belt in the same division.
Ah, sh1t... I didn't know that.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 06 Sep 2011, 11:53
by orbtastic
Crease wrote:orbtastic wrote:No, they changed the rule, in about 1987 I think. You cannot win more than one Lonsdale belt in the same division.
Ah, sh1t... I didn't know that.
Costs 'em money. The belts now are 9ct gold whereas before they were 22ct and solid. To win 3 now would be an incredible feat. You'd need 4 W notches at 3 different weights (!) That's 12 wins over BBBoC sanctioned fighters.
I think that Rhodes' record of Lonsdale outright in 91 (without checking?) days would also be impossible now you need 4 notches.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 06 Sep 2011, 13:08
by Crease
orbtastic wrote:I think that Rhodes' record of Lonsdale outright in 91 (without checking?) days would also be impossible now you need 4 notches.
No I disagree, mate. I think it could be done... But ti would need to be fasttracked, obviously.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 06 Sep 2011, 14:26
by orbtastic
Sheesh...I wouldn't want you as my manager! 4 fights, all board sanctioned for a title in less than 3 months, that's a huge potential banana skin. The body needs rest, there's no real scope for rest fitting 4 title fights into 3 months. I know back in the day that they did that but we also used to drive without seatbelts and helmets.
Re: Records that won't be beat.
Posted: 06 Sep 2011, 17:47
by raylawpc
I doubt we have another sanctioned twenty-round fight.