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Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 21 Dec 2011, 12:53
by twenty six
Macho,
It is a well known fact that I am slow on the up take, but what exactly do you mean with the first things first comment ?
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 22 Dec 2011, 16:21
by bloomberg
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Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 22 Dec 2011, 18:51
by Final round
Which fighter has registered the complaint? someone from Matchroom or is Eddie Hearn just shit stirring against a rival promoter?
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 22 Dec 2011, 18:56
by leforge
Final round wrote:Which fighter has registered the complaint? someone from Matchroom or is Eddie Hearn just shit stirring against a rival promoter?
No fighter registered a complaint I think.
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 22 Dec 2011, 19:01
by Final round
leforge wrote:Final round wrote:Which fighter has registered the complaint? someone from Matchroom or is Eddie Hearn just shit stirring against a rival promoter?
No fighter registered a complaint I think.
..oh right..front page news then.
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 22 Dec 2011, 19:07
by leforge
Final round wrote:leforge wrote:Final round wrote:Which fighter has registered the complaint? someone from Matchroom or is Eddie Hearn just shit stirring against a rival promoter?
No fighter registered a complaint I think.
..oh right..front page news then.
ABNL propaganda
I think you find thatseveral boxers have not been paid. People wont name them on here.
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 22 Dec 2011, 19:25
by Final round
leforge wrote:Final round wrote:leforge wrote:
No fighter registered a complaint I think.
..oh right..front page news then.
ABNL propaganda
I think you find thatseveral boxers have not been paid. People wont name them on here.
Well they need to register a complaint with the board, I'm not sure why Eddie Hearn is getting involved apart from just seizing the opportunity to have a dig.
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 22 Dec 2011, 19:31
by leforge
Final round wrote:leforge wrote:Final round wrote:
..oh right..front page news then.
ABNL propaganda
I think you find thatseveral boxers have not been paid. People wont name them on here.
Well they need to register a complaint with the board, I'm not sure why Eddie Hearn is getting involved apart from just seizing the opportunity to have a dig.
Think it's good that people bringing attention to it. The board are useless wont take any action!
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 23 Dec 2011, 05:01
by earsjohn
MachoMan09 wrote:Final round wrote:leforge wrote:
No fighter registered a complaint I think.
..oh right..front page news then.
It's not really as simple as that, though, is it? If you were owed 50K and the bloke that owed it you said "look, I'm a bit short at the moment and can't pay you, but money will hopefully start rolling in over the next couple of months and I'll try to settle up then". Do you go running off to the Board making complaints or do you sit tight? It's easy for us to pass comment, we're not owed the cash.
Boxingchat actually made a comment on a similar thread a short while ago along the lines of "would you prefer £10k straight away or £50k down the line?" Is this a pervasive attitude among promoters - robbing peter today to pay paul a higher purse tomorrow?
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 23 Dec 2011, 05:28
by Final round
MachoMan09 wrote:Final round wrote:leforge wrote:
No fighter registered a complaint I think.
..oh right..front page news then.
It's not really as simple as that, though, is it? If you were owed 50K and the bloke that owed it you said "look, I'm a bit short at the moment and can't pay you, but money will hopefully start rolling in over the next couple of months and I'll try to settle up then". Do you go running off to the Board making complaints or do you sit tight? It's easy for us to pass comment, we're not owed the cash.
I still can't see the scandal.. As in all walks of life it's up to the individual to decide when to complain to an offical body and when to sit tight. There's people all over in different sports and industry's who aren't being paid on time in the current climate
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 23 Dec 2011, 05:29
by Jeff Thomas
earsjohn wrote:MachoMan09 wrote:Final round wrote:
..oh right..front page news then.
It's not really as simple as that, though, is it? If you were owed 50K and the bloke that owed it you said "look, I'm a bit short at the moment and can't pay you, but money will hopefully start rolling in over the next couple of months and I'll try to settle up then". Do you go running off to the Board making complaints or do you sit tight? It's easy for us to pass comment, we're not owed the cash.
Boxingchat actually made a comment on a similar thread a short while ago along the lines of "would you prefer £10k straight away or £50k down the line?" Is this a pervasive attitude among promoters - robbing peter today to pay paul a higher purse tomorrow?
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06867893
Adios
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 23 Dec 2011, 06:37
by twenty six
If this were an industry problem, then many of he comments here would be valid.
However the perception seems to be that this is not an industry problem.
If the majority are compliant why can't they all be ?
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 23 Dec 2011, 07:10
by Wake up call
A small hall promoter (who also trains a boxer that has struggled to get money from the promoter in question) said to me last week: "If I didn't pay my lads within seven days the board would take my licence, so why are they letting ****** get away with it?"
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 23 Dec 2011, 07:56
by twenty six
Well there's a thread inviting questions for Robert Smith so maybe that one should be put forward.
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 07:58
by RHOOK
Just something I stumbled upon within the Insolvency News
Frank ****** Promotions Limited agreed to pay HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) for an undisclosed sum after the tax office proposed winding up the business on 28 November 2011.
It is the second time this year that HMRC has issued a winding up petition against the internationally renowned promoter.
However, Insolvency News has today learnt that an official appeal has been lodged to be examined by the Courts and Tribunals Service.
In a statement issued exclusively to Insolvency News, the company stated that this had absolutely nothing to do with Frank ****** personally:
"Payment has been made to HMRC but there is an outstanding issue that HMRC are no longer involved with.
"A formal application has been made to the First Tier Tribunal (tax) which is part of Her Majesty’s Courts and Tribunals Service to hear the case.
"There are certainly no concerns with the stability of the business. We expect the petition to be dismissed later this week”
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I wouild post link but the link contains certain names, if you want to see the article then type: Insolvency News, November 21, followed by a certain promoters name into google and you'll find it
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 08:03
by RHOOK
MachoMan09 wrote:RHOOK wrote:I wouild post link but the link contains certain names, if you want to see the article then type: Insolvency News, November 21, followed by a certain promoters name into google and you'll find it
You forgot to write who the certain promoter is?
i shall leave it to your powers of deduction.
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 08:44
by leforge
Wake up call wrote:A small hall promoter (who also trains a boxer that has struggled to get money from the promoter in question) said to me last week: "If I didn't pay my lads within seven days the board would take my licence, so why are they letting ****** get away with it?"
Its shocking! Can see some fighters walking away from him.
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 09:07
by RHOOK
leforge wrote:Wake up call wrote:A small hall promoter (who also trains a boxer that has struggled to get money from the promoter in question) said to me last week: "If I didn't pay my lads within seven days the board would take my licence, so why are they letting ****** get away with it?"
Its shocking! Can see some fighters walking away from him.
Spot on! A boxer don't want to get ring rust and loose opportunities that could potentially shape their career due to an ineffective promoter. That same promoter would not miss out on oppurtunities (that would be financially beneficial for him) for any of his stable!
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 09:29
by leforge
RHOOK wrote:leforge wrote:Wake up call wrote:A small hall promoter (who also trains a boxer that has struggled to get money from the promoter in question) said to me last week: "If I didn't pay my lads within seven days the board would take my licence, so why are they letting ****** get away with it?"
Its shocking! Can see some fighters walking away from him.
Spot on! A boxer don't want to get ring rust and loose opportunities that could potentially shape their career due to an ineffective promoter. That same promoter would not miss out on oppurtunities (that would be financially beneficial for him) for any of his stable!
The question is who will leave first?
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 09:39
by RHOOK
leforge wrote:RHOOK wrote:leforge wrote:
Its shocking! Can see some fighters walking away from him.
Spot on! A boxer don't want to get ring rust and loose opportunities that could potentially shape their career due to an ineffective promoter. That same promoter would not miss out on oppurtunities (that would be financially beneficial for him) for any of his stable!
The question is who will leave first?
Oooo that's an interesting one! I'm reckoning Selkirk judging from his most recent tweets. It should be a poll! But that poll probably wouldn't have a very long life span!
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 10:40
by leforge
RHOOK wrote:leforge wrote:RHOOK wrote:
Spot on! A boxer don't want to get ring rust and loose opportunities that could potentially shape their career due to an ineffective promoter. That same promoter would not miss out on oppurtunities (that would be financially beneficial for him) for any of his stable!
The question is who will leave first?
Oooo that's an interesting one! I'm reckoning Selkirk judging from his most recent tweets. It should be a poll! But that poll probably wouldn't have a very long life span!
I think we will see some jump ship in 2012.
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 10:43
by danfoster
leforge wrote:RHOOK wrote:leforge wrote:
Its shocking! Can see some fighters walking away from him.
Spot on! A boxer don't want to get ring rust and loose opportunities that could potentially shape their career due to an ineffective promoter. That same promoter would not miss out on oppurtunities (that would be financially beneficial for him) for any of his stable!
The question is who will leave first?
My money is on Kell Brook
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 10:44
by leforge
danfoster wrote:leforge wrote:RHOOK wrote:
Spot on! A boxer don't want to get ring rust and loose opportunities that could potentially shape their career due to an ineffective promoter. That same promoter would not miss out on oppurtunities (that would be financially beneficial for him) for any of his stable!
The question is who will leave first?
My money is on Kell Brook
He already left!
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 11:07
by RHOOK
leforge wrote:danfoster wrote:leforge wrote:
The question is who will leave first?
My money is on Kell Brook
He already left!
matthew macklin!!
promptly followed by Khan
Re: Suspend promoters who don't pay their boxers on time!
Posted: 29 Dec 2011, 15:51
by RHOOK
JimJim2009 wrote:Interesting thread. To go off at a tangent, how long do people think this will last, then ?
I keep doing the math in my head - multiplying the subscription rate by a guessed number of subscribers, times so many months.... if the people behind the channel don't have seriously deep pockets AND a commitment to see through big early losses, this venture may not be around to celebrate its first birthday. This is pure speculation on my part. I would imagine the backers would have gone into this with their eyes open and an acceptance of rock all profit in the first year, if they didn't get a lot of subscribers when they launched, it is going to be painfully hard to drive up the customer base now. For those customers who have signed up, the backers can relax, because - in fairness - by the time the subscription is up for renewal fans will have probably been spoiled rotten with quantity (and hopefully, quality). But the challenge of drawing new subscribers will be a tough one. It was absolutely crazy, in this online world we live in, not to have had the option of signing up customers who could watch the shows live, online. You should open up your potential customer base to everyone with a PC, not just those who have Sky or Virgin. There are millions of people in that category in this country alone. Even Ricky Hatton's website has its own video player facility - not that I'm knocking Hatton's promotional set up, but my point is, if he can do it, why can't the new home of boxing ?
I agree, it's all been a bit amateurish from the get go, and i doubt it will see through 2012..