clopixolacuphase wrote:liamlion wrote:mrpedigree wrote:
I disagree ,if your in street fight with more than one opponent your better off staying standing standing(this favours a puncher) ,the minute you go on that floor you give the man/men watching a better chance kicking you in the head .
Like said earlier I have done BJJ for three years and the ground is the last place i would want to go with more than one opponent to take care of .
Even if they was both two idiots ,you might end up on the ground with one of them and any fool can kick you in the head.
Yeah, agreed. But then I think I alluded to the same issue in my last post.
Correct me if im wrong,
but you could use Ju-Jitsu in the form of a choke or arm lock without having the need to go to the ground.
And yes punching can be particularly effective in a street brawl, as can kicking (albeit the latter is less common than the former). In vale tudo or an organised no-holds barred fight however the limits of a puncher will often be brutally exposed. For example boxers tend to plant their feet more and are therefore more susceptible to taking leg strikes, affecting their own mobility, stability and punch power.
In addition, there's more risk of a puncher being knocked out himself attempting to deliver his strike than for example a kick boxing who's delivering leg strikes. Range is a relevant factor.
I've often wondered about this. Sparring and fighting with chokes, the other guy will tap out. In the street, you don't want to let him go do you? He can't tap. So you have to choke him almost to the point of unconsciousness or unconscious. Sounds like you're going to get done for attempted murder or murder with this one. Anybody got any experience with this one? Just interested.
With regards to locks and chokes against multiple attackers, I once trained with John Anderson and Matty Evans, Geoff Thompson's mentor and protege respectively. Matty told a story about how he took on a group of kids causing trouble out the front of his house and how he got one of them in a standing rear naked choke and told the others to back off otherwise he'd bite the guys ear off. They backed off.
I think with grappling, no matter how skilled u are, size and strength always play a massive part. where as with striking there is always the chance u could hit the magic button. A well respected combatives instructor called Mick Coup put it well, he said "its why soldiers are given bullets, and not sent out to do battle with nets.."
as for the previous posters comment on range, im not sure its AS relevent in the street, think its more a sports concept. its just lost so quickly. like when Martial Artists talk about range and entry techniques, in a real encounter, blink once and see how quickly your foe takes care of that for you.
These discussions are always tricky when people talk of "street fights", when really a street "assault" is much more likely and in that case there are so many scenerios possible (attacked from the side/behind, is he armed and if so what with? a gun/bat/knife? R there multiple assailants, are u in a crowded pub/deserted carpark....etc u could go on all day) that no "art" is gona prepare you properly. In fact, the possibility of being lucky enough to have one unarmed person approach you from the front stating their chosen terms of combat are very remote in this day and age. I think the most important "tool" u can have in these situations is bottle and the will to act. Its people that freeze that end up in serious trouble.
U only have to look at skilled boxers that have been on the end of serious assaults to see that combative sports alone arent adequate prep (Darren Barker, Michael Gomez, Jason Booth, Eamon Magee, Trever Berbick, Mitch Green, Vernon Forrest, Ricky Hatton.... again you could go on all day, to varying degrees their skills went out the window when out of context). Look at any press conference brawl and see how untidy they are and how they barely resemble a boxing match at all(Lewis vs Rahman, Lewis vs Tyson, haye vs chisora, bentt vs hide, Holmes vs Berbick, vargas vs mayora, MAB vs Morales to name a few)
but wake back up a few minutes later but very groggy ..i have seen this happen a couple of three times grappling at different dojos when guys egos get involved and they dont wanna a tap 
they are usually all right after a while tho 
