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Right, a difficult one I think.

Because of one punch I threw, the rules of boxing were changed forever.

keithmoonhangover wrote:Right, a difficult one I think.

Because of one punch I threw, the rules of boxing were changed forever.

pivot punch George La Blanche with Nonpareil Jack Dempsey

Talk to you later, I got to go!

hhascup wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Right, a difficult one I think.

Because of one punch I threw, the rules of boxing were changed forever.

pivot punch Nonpareil Jack Dempsey

Talk to you later, I got to go!

I was thinking of another punch by another fighter.

Bundana wrote:Think it's my turn now - so new question:

- I was born on one continent.
- I won an international amateur tournament on another continent.
- I made my pro debut on a 3rd continent.
- I became world champion on a 4th continent.
- I lost my world crown on a 5th continent.

Who am I?

Don't know about the amateurs, but Ayub Kalule fits the rest.
Born in Africa.
Pro debut in Europe.
Won title in Asia.
Lost it in North America.

Rover wrote:

Bundana wrote:Think it's my turn now - so new question:

- I was born on one continent.
- I won an international amateur tournament on another continent.
- I made my pro debut on a 3rd continent.
- I became world champion on a 4th continent.
- I lost my world crown on a 5th continent.

Who am I?

Don't know about the amateurs, but Ayub Kalule fits the rest.
Born in Africa.
Pro debut in Europe.
Won title in Asia.
Lost it in North America.

Yep - Kalule is our man!

In 1974 he won gold at the Commonwealth Games held in Christchurch, New Zealand

Bundana wrote:Willie Edwards

Well done, you and hhascup are too good at this.

Ok lets try another.

I had a winning streak of 37 fights and another unbeaten streak of 24 fights in my career
I beat 2 fighters who are in the IBHOF and lost a close decision to another.
I never got a title shot
I was only 29 when I stopped fighting.

Controversial wrote:

Bundana wrote:Willie Edwards

Well done, you and hhascup are too good at this.

Thanks.

As HH said earlier, we have both been doing this on several other sites.

Now when it comes to trivia, I'm not even close to being in Henry's league (no one is, really!)... but it's still kind of a passion of mine. I don't know why, but I've always wanted to know, who accomplished something for the first time, the last time or the only time. Or who did something in consecutive fights, or the most times in a year, or a decade, or the furthest apart etc., etc. Anything odd/strange/interesting that can be found when scrutinizing a boxer's record. The possibilities are almost endless.



Anyway, it's really nice to see, that there are other posters on this site, who are taking the trouble to come up with some good brain-teasers

Controversial wrote:Ok lets try another.

I had a winning streak of 37 fights and another unbeaten streak of 24 fights in my career
I beat 2 fighters who are in the IBHOF and lost a close decision to another.
I never got a title shot
I was only 29 when I stopped fighting.

Johnny Cesario

hhascup wrote:

Controversial wrote:Ok lets try another.

I had a winning streak of 37 fights and another unbeaten streak of 24 fights in my career
I beat 2 fighters who are in the IBHOF and lost a close decision to another.
I never got a title shot
I was only 29 when I stopped fighting.

Johnny Cesario

You the man, well done again :-)

hhascup wrote:

Controversial wrote:Ok lets try another.

I had a winning streak of 37 fights and another unbeaten streak of 24 fights in my career
I beat 2 fighters who are in the IBHOF and lost a close decision to another.
I never got a title shot
I was only 29 when I stopped fighting.

Johnny Cesario

I just googled you, you sound like an interesting fella and very knowledgeable. My questions not in your league I don't think :-)

Bundana wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Bundana wrote:Willie Edwards

Well done, you and hhascup are too good at this.

Thanks.

As HH said earlier, we have both been doing this on several other sites.

Now when it comes to trivia, I'm not even close to being in Henry's league (no one is, really!)... but it's still kind of a passion of mine. I don't know why, but I've always wanted to know, who accomplished something for the first time, the last time or the only time. Or who did something in consecutive fights, or the most times in a year, or a decade, or the furthest apart etc., etc. Anything odd/strange/interesting that can be found when scrutinizing a boxer's record. The possibilities are almost endless.

Anyway, it's really nice to see, that there are other posters on this site, who are taking the trouble to come up with some good brain-teasers

Bundana, your too nice and you are in my league.

Over the years I have done trivia on all sports, baseball, football, basketball, hockey, track & Field, tennis, Nascar, golf, you name it and I have done it and I have been very successful in doing so, so much so most people on those sites got mad at me because I would win all the contests, so I stopped answering on those sites.

I really like boxing and I really wasn't challenged at all until Bundana showed up. There is another guy that had some pretty good ones But his were more riddles then questions. When Bundana asks a question I have to think about it and at times I have to do a lot of research to find the answer, But in doing so I learn things that I would have never known before I finally get the answer.

Controversial wrote:

hhascup wrote:

Controversial wrote:Ok lets try another.

I had a winning streak of 37 fights and another unbeaten streak of 24 fights in my career
I beat 2 fighters who are in the IBHOF and lost a close decision to another.
I never got a title shot
I was only 29 when I stopped fighting.

Johnny Cesario

I just googled you, you sound like an interesting fella and very knowledgeable. My questions not in your league I don't think :-)

Yea, don't believe everything you read. Before things like "Google" Sport writers use to call me all the time, now I might get a few calls a month.

Right now I am in my 28th year as the President of the New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame and I was there Historian for the last 33 years. I am the President & Historian of the New Jersey Diamond Gloves, the New Jersey Assn. of USA Boxing, the Boxing Historian of Ring 8, the BWAA, Ring 25, the New York Boxing Hall of Fame, I am also on all, 5 voting committees for the International Boxing Hall of Fame, and the New Boxing Hall of Fame in Las Vagas. I am also an editor on BoxRec., I ring announce almost every New Jersey Amateur Boxing Show and I also have ring announced around 40 to 50 Pro shows. Besides all that, I have been a Deacon in my Church for over 25 years.

I also like your questions, as does Bundana. We get tired of just us, so it's Great to have some others that have a love for Boxing Trivia.


I know I am leaving something out, But you get the idea!

hhascup wrote:
Yea, don't believe everything you read. Before things like "Google" Sport writers use to call me all the time, now I might get a few calls a month.

Right now I am in my 28th year as the President of the New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame and I was there Historian for the last 33 years. I am the President & Historian of the New Jersey Diamond Gloves, the New Jersey Assn. of USA Boxing, the Boxing Historian of Ring 8, the BWAA, Ring 25, the New York Boxing Hall of Fame, I am also on all, 5 voting committees for the International Boxing Hall of Fame, and the New Boxing Hall of Fame in Las Vagas. I am also an editor on BoxRec., I ring announce almost every New Jersey Amateur Boxing Show and I also have ring announced around 40 to 50 Pro shows. Besides all that, I have been a Deacon in my Church for over 25 years.

I also like your questions, as does Bundana. We get tired of just us, so it's Great to have some others that have a love for Boxing Trivia.


I know I am leaving something out, But you get the idea!

It must be great doing something you love, great stuff, love hearing about guys like you. You said earlier you know about other sports as well, do you have a photographic memory, know answers off the top of your head or do you need to look stuff up? Is boxing your favourite sport, the one you know most about?

Well done, Mr. Hascup.

Controversial wrote:

hhascup wrote:
Yea, don't believe everything you read. Before things like "Google" Sport writers use to call me all the time, now I might get a few calls a month.

Right now I am in my 28th year as the President of the New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame and I was there Historian for the last 33 years. I am the President & Historian of the New Jersey Diamond Gloves, the New Jersey Assn. of USA Boxing, the Boxing Historian of Ring 8, the BWAA, Ring 25, the New York Boxing Hall of Fame, I am also on all, 5 voting committees for the International Boxing Hall of Fame, and the New Boxing Hall of Fame in Las Vagas. I am also an editor on BoxRec., I ring announce almost every New Jersey Amateur Boxing Show and I also have ring announced around 40 to 50 Pro shows. Besides all that, I have been a Deacon in my Church for over 25 years.

I also like your questions, as does Bundana. We get tired of just us, so it's Great to have some others that have a love for Boxing Trivia.


I know I am leaving something out, But you get the idea!

It must be great doing something you love, great stuff, love hearing about guys like you. You said earlier you know about other sports as well, do you have a photographic memory, know answers off the top of your head or do you need to look stuff up? Is boxing your favourite sport, the one you know most about?

For years many people have been saying that I have a photographic memory because I don't use any notes, But I really don't think so. I do remember things a lot especially things I love or that are interesting. Boxing is my favorite sport But I also Love Baseball, football, basketball, NASCAR and Track & Field. The reason I got into boxing more is that there were so many mistakes in the record books so I started going to the library and going through all the micro-films. In a while I had 25,000 fights and I made 1,000's of corrections for Ring Record Book, which includes over 200 World Champions.

You can read more about it by googling my name. There several web site that have stories on me.

Just to let you know, when I was 1-1/2 years old I was taken away from my real parents because they were very very poor. I was put into a Foster Home, then given Foster Parents. My Foster Parents were told that it was a 99% chance that they could adopt me, so they changed my name to Bruce James McKnight and I was told that they were my real parents. Then when I was 8 years old, my Foster Parents had to tell me the truth. I must of had a break down as I couldn't put 2 words together, I couldn't read, I got left back. Kids made fun of me because of the way I tried to read and speak.

A little time later I was taken away from my Foster Parents and put into the Newark Foster Home and then about a year later I went back to my real parents in Paterson, New Jersey, and started using my real name of Henry Hascup for the very first time that I can remember. That is when I found out what poor was all about. I use to jump into a garbage bind to get bread the bakery threw away each morning. I would then go home and put evaporated milk & water on it and that was my breakfast. At night I would collect soda bottles, as you got 2 cents for everyone. I would stand on lines with the so called homeless people each week to get some food. We didn't have a bath tub and it was a cold water flat, which means that we didn't have hot water.

To this day, I still can not read that well, and I have trouble pronouncing some words. That is why when I do talk or announce I try to get all the names before hand and then I put them on tech speech. When I do a Eulogy, I don't read anything, I just talk from my heart, and I have done over 200 of them including several World Champions (Giardello, Gatti, Larkin). When I tell people about this, they all say that they would have never known if I didn't tell them.

This is why I am so proud of the things I have done. If anyone told me that when I grew up, I would be a Ring Announcer, a Master of Ceremonies, giving Eulogy's in front of 100's and even 1000's of people, I would have said they were crazy.

Last year at the 1st New York Boxing Hall of Fame Awards Dinner I was asked to present awards to or to the families of Jake LaMotta, Benny Leonard, Tony Canzoneri, Gil Clancy and when I was going up to present the award to the final inductee of the affair, I stood there in front of over 500 boxing people I thought about all those kids that laughed at me, and said to myself, "Who has the last laugh Now" as I proceeded to present the family of the Greatest Fighter pound for pound that ever stepped into the squared circle, Sugar Ray Robinson.

Someone asked the son of former Heavyweight Contender Charlie Norkus, who attended the affair, how can this guy stand up there in front of all these people, and don't have a note in front of him. Charlie Jr. said I guess you don't know Henry!

Amazing story.

foxy01 wrote:

hhascup wrote:


, "Who has the last laugh Now" as I proceeded to present the family of the Greatest Fighter pound for pound that ever stepped into the squared circle, Sugar Ray Robinson.
!

Unfortunately sir there are people through either youth, idiocy, or egotistical irrelevance that would try to dispute this fact.

Yes I know they do, But most Boxing Experts and Historians have him as #1, so that is why I stated it that way! His son was so happy that I was the one to make the presentation. It was still a Great honor for me no matter what!

keithmoonhangover wrote:

hhascup wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Right, a difficult one I think.

Because of one punch I threw, the rules of boxing were changed forever.

pivot punch Nonpareil Jack Dempsey

Talk to you later, I got to go!

I was thinking of another punch by another fighter.

Hhascup?

[/quote] I was thinking of another punch by another fighter.[/quote]

Hhascup?[/quote]

I thought we answered that!

There several punches that were banned in boxing, the rabbit punch, the kidney punch, the punch punch, the pivot punch, Backhand, low blow, etc.

Rules have changed many times over the years, when Ray Mancini killed Duk Koo Kim in a match which changed the rules of boxing from 15 rounds to 12 rounds.

When Griffith killed Benny, they started using 4 ropes.

Standing over someone after a knockdown is also illegal.

Another one is when Papke sucker punched Ketchel instead of shaking hands at the start of the bout. Now they shake hands.

hhascup wrote:

I was thinking of another punch by another fighter.[/quote]

Hhascup?[/quote]

I thought we answered that!

There several punches that were banned in boxing, the rabbit punch, the kidney punch, the punch punch, the pivot punch, Backhand, low blow, etc.

Rules have changed many times over the years, when Ray Mancini killed Duk Koo Kim in a match which changed the rules of boxing from 15 rounds to 12 rounds.

When Griffith killed Benny, they started using 4 ropes.

Standing over someone after a knockdown is also illegal.

Another one is when Papke sucker punched Ketchel instead of shaking hands at the start of the bout. Now they shake hands.[/quote]

Papke was the single punch I was referring to. Good work sir.

Thanks!

I still have 2 others that need to be answered.

1. What former World Contender said, "to see a white man really worrying about me changed my whole life."

Hint: He fought for a World Title but lost, he also fought 3 other Champions in non-title fights beating 2 of them.

2. What fighter was 'shark-proof?

He never got a shot at the title But he did fight 2 Champions. All his loses were by knockouts

Both fighters fought in the same weight class!

hhascup wrote:

Controversial wrote:

hhascup wrote:
Yea, don't believe everything you read. Before things like "Google" Sport writers use to call me all the time, now I might get a few calls a month.

Right now I am in my 28th year as the President of the New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame and I was there Historian for the last 33 years. I am the President & Historian of the New Jersey Diamond Gloves, the New Jersey Assn. of USA Boxing, the Boxing Historian of Ring 8, the BWAA, Ring 25, the New York Boxing Hall of Fame, I am also on all, 5 voting committees for the International Boxing Hall of Fame, and the New Boxing Hall of Fame in Las Vagas. I am also an editor on BoxRec., I ring announce almost every New Jersey Amateur Boxing Show and I also have ring announced around 40 to 50 Pro shows. Besides all that, I have been a Deacon in my Church for over 25 years.

I also like your questions, as does Bundana. We get tired of just us, so it's Great to have some others that have a love for Boxing Trivia.


I know I am leaving something out, But you get the idea!

It must be great doing something you love, great stuff, love hearing about guys like you. You said earlier you know about other sports as well, do you have a photographic memory, know answers off the top of your head or do you need to look stuff up? Is boxing your favourite sport, the one you know most about?

For years many people have been saying that I have a photographic memory because I don't use any notes, But I really don't think so. I do remember things a lot especially things I love or that are interesting. Boxing is my favorite sport But I also Love Baseball, football, basketball, NASCAR and Track & Field. The reason I got into boxing more is that there were so many mistakes in the record books so I started going to the library and going through all the micro-films. In a while I had 25,000 fights and I made 1,000's of corrections for Ring Record Book, which includes over 200 World Champions.

You can read more about it by googling my name. There several web site that have stories on me.

Just to let you know, when I was 1-1/2 years old I was taken away from my real parents because they were very very poor. I was put into a Foster Home, then given Foster Parents. My Foster Parents were told that it was a 99% chance that they could adopt me, so they changed my name to Bruce James McKnight and I was told that they were my real parents. Then when I was 8 years old, my Foster Parents had to tell me the truth. I must of had a break down as I couldn't put 2 words together, I couldn't read, I got left back. Kids made fun of me because of the way I tried to read and speak.

A little time later I was taken away from my Foster Parents and put into the Newark Foster Home and then about a year later I went back to my real parents in Paterson, New Jersey, and started using my real name of Henry Hascup for the very first time that I can remember. That is when I found out what poor was all about. I use to jump into a garbage bind to get bread the bakery threw away each morning. I would then go home and put evaporated milk & water on it and that was my breakfast. At night I would collect soda bottles, as you got 2 cents for everyone. I would stand on lines with the so called homeless people each week to get some food. We didn't have a bath tub and it was a cold water flat, which means that we didn't have hot water.

To this day, I still can not read that well, and I have trouble pronouncing some words. That is why when I do talk or announce I try to get all the names before hand and then I put them on tech speech. When I do a Eulogy, I don't read anything, I just talk from my heart, and I have done over 200 of them including several World Champions (Giardello, Gatti, Larkin). When I tell people about this, they all say that they would have never known if I didn't tell them.

This is why I am so proud of the things I have done. If anyone told me that when I grew up, I would be a Ring Announcer, a Master of Ceremonies, giving Eulogy's in front of 100's and even 1000's of people, I would have said they were crazy.

Last year at the 1st New York Boxing Hall of Fame Awards Dinner I was asked to present awards to or to the families of Jake LaMotta, Benny Leonard, Tony Canzoneri, Gil Clancy and when I was going up to present the award to the final inductee of the affair, I stood there in front of over 500 boxing people I thought about all those kids that laughed at me, and said to myself, "Who has the last laugh Now" as I proceeded to present the family of the Greatest Fighter pound for pound that ever stepped into the squared circle, Sugar Ray Robinson.

Someone asked the son of former Heavyweight Contender Charlie Norkus, who attended the affair, how can this guy stand up there in front of all these people, and don't have a note in front of him. Charlie Jr. said I guess you don't know Henry!

Oh man, what a story, you should write a book. Who is your favourite fighter? Any stories about fighters you have met that you can tell?

Oh man, what a story, you should write a book. Who is your favourite fighter? Any stories about fighters you have met that you can tell?

I have many, here's one on a forgotten fighter:

I first met Tippy Larkin in 1978. They had a article about me in the Bergen Record called "Henry Hascup: He's Quiz Whiz" and when I went to my 2nd Ring 9 meeting, the secretary read it to the membership. When he got done another former boxer by the name of Billy Kilroy said, OK kid, when and who did Tippy Larkin win the World title off of. I said April 29, 1946 against Willie Joyce. He then said, your right, now sit down and say hello to Tippy Larkin.

We became friends since that day. I would take him with me anytime we had a boxing function. He got the name of Larkin from his brother Bobby Larkin, who also fought as a pro and Bobby got it from another ex-boxer, manager, Jack Larkin Amato. Jack took the name of Larkin when in 1928, he went to see his brother Sammy Amato box. The match-maker wanted to know if anyone weighed 147 pounds that wanted to box that night. Jack said I'm 147, and then discovered he was to box his own brother, so he gave the name of Jack Larkin. The name of Tippy was suppose to be his initials, his real name was Tony Pilleteri (TP), But he once told me that he got it because his younger brother couldn't pronounce his name. He tried to say Tony, and it came out TP. I think between the 2 they came up with Tippy.

The only tape I found on Tippy was with Graham. It was shot from the balcony but it does show the boxing skill Tippy had.

I remember bringing Tippy to an affair and I was the MC. One of my duties was to introduce all the boxing people. When I got to him, I told everyone how great he was but one night he showed more then any other. I told them the story of him boxing in Newark against Tommy Cross, who was a very popular boxer from Philly and he brought up a lot of his fans. Back in those days, the boxers use to lay out with there robe on and relax before they came out to box. Tippy did just that and feel asleep. A while later there was a knock of the door and the voice yelled out, Larkin your up. Tippy got up and went to the ring. When he got to the ring the announcer announced the referee Paul Cavaliere, who was another very popular boxing person and the crowd gave him a big hand. Then Tommy Cross was introduced and he was given even a bigger one as most of Philly came down to see him box. Then it was Tippy's turn, when the announcer yelled out his name, Tippy took off his robe and the place went wild. Tippy was very happy and went to the center of the ring and did a little shadow boxing and then went back to his corner to his manager Angelo Pucci and said, Ang, they love me, Angelo said, they should, your giving them a pretty good show. Tippy then looked down and found out that he forgot to put his trunks on.

I got another Larkin story. For years all the record book put out his record, BUT I did my research and found several more bouts, including his 1st pro bout against Eddie McGillick, which he lost. Tippy found out some how that I was the one that changed his record. One night we were going to another boxing affair and he brought it up. He said, Henry I never fought McGillick, I think it was my brother Bobby that did. I didn't say much at that time because my wife was in the car. Later when we got to the affair, I was standing next to him as he was greeting a lot of boxing people. Another friend, Sam Capone, who won several Amateur State titles came up to us along with his wife Betty. Betty says to Tippy, don't you remember me? Tippy said you look like someone from my past. Betty said, yes, you fought my brother Eddie, .. Eddie McGillick, I know you remember that. Tippy turned very slowing to me and said, alright I fought him, BUT how a the world did you know that. I said, it's called research, and we both had a good laugh. I really miss him!

The Tippy Larkin-Lulu Costantino lightweight bout at Madison Square Garden, New York, on February 9, 1944, was the first time that the breakdown of the officials' cards were announced over the loudspeaker. Instead of merely announcing "Winner-Larkin," The announcer, George Kobb, gave the breakdown as Judge Joe Agnello, 9-1 for Larkin, Judge Sam Robinson, 8-2 for Larkin, Referee Arthur Susskind (Young Otto), 9-1 for Larkin, winner by unanimous decision-Tippy Larkin."

Several years ago we put up a monument of Tippy in Garfield, and I was the MC.

When he passed away on December 10, 1991, I was asked to give the Eulogy.

hhascup wrote:

Oh man, what a story, you should write a book. Who is your favourite fighter? Any stories about fighters you have met that you can tell?

I have many, here's one on a forgotten fighter:

I first met Tippy Larkin in 1978.

When he passed away on December 10, 1991, I was asked to give the Eulogy.

Good stuff. I won't ask a question about Tippy then :-)