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mimmy123 wrote:I do not mean this to be detrimental but Yorkshire folk have an extremely distorted, inflated view of themselves

dondada wrote:You need to spend less time worrying about how the site is run or how promptly news stories are added to the site.

dondada wrote:The parallel you draw is both ludicrous and distasteful.

dookus wrote:
I'd like to see these many reports. If they were profitable, why did they rely so heavily on state support to stay afloat?

Most of our industrial cities started out extremely small and grew up quickly because of the growth of industry, but there are plenty of decent-sized towns here that the Industrial Revolution didn't dominate (for example, Norwich and York) and as such have remained in decent prospects despite their own industries dwindling. Leeds is a good example of an industrial town that has managed to reinvent itself since deindustrialisation rather than dying on its arse as soon the industry disappeared. In any case, you could say the same in terms of spectacular population growth and dependence on industry for the majority of industrial cities worldwide - the fact that the Industrial Revolution happened here first doesn't make our circumstances unique.

The phenomena of 'company towns' has also happened all over the US (mostly in the 'rust belt'), and this is affecting the north of Japan as their heavy industries start to lose their mass employment of the last few decades. Anywhere that you have a dominant employer that pulls out of a relatively small community, the same situation occurs - this is not something that is unique to the UK.

As for Chinese cities that are growing massively because of an influx of workers to fill these new industries there - how do we know what they'd do if the industries disappeared tomorrow? They've yet to deindustrialise. The idea that if all of their major factories pulled out they'd all just go back to tilling the rice paddies in their millions seems pretty unrealistic to me.

It's a more sustainable plan than losing hundreds of millions pounds a year to prop up an industry that would not reform. It's a considerably less sustainable plan than trying to reform the industry without the aid of jackbooted policemen. I would argue that a country with a less inset culture of naked self-interest would have reached a more sensible compromise and closed the pits far less abruptly, perhaps even have made them profitable without the loss of tens of thousands of jobs (see, for example, how the Germans went from regularly having 9-10% unemployment through the 90s and early 2000s to their current massive exporter status; their unions agreed to wage freezes for the best part of a decade, something I cannot imagine Scargill's contemporaries ever agreeing to).
But that's what a rabid class war will do for the idea of co-operation.

As for us 'making nothing'; we still export half a trillion dollars worth of goods a year. Manufacturing still makes up a good 17% of GDP (more than, say, France, which subsidises a great deal of their industry). We're not finished yet on that front, not by a long shot. If we had continued to run industry the way we did in the 1970s, there really would be nothing left by now.

Parson Cross wrote:Lets put it into a boxing perspective.
Politicians are like Promotors. The truth is they all piss in the same pot.
I'm not remotely interested in Maggie's passing.
However, under the 30 year rule it has been revealed that the Conservative government of the time headed by Maggie were on the verge of signing the Falklands over to the Argies 6 months before the conflct and it was simply the Argies impatience that caused the war.
How two faced is that ?
I prefer not to recollect my time around the miners strike era. Saw too much in my early twenties.
Can't believe that it was necessary for me to do voluntary work in a soup kitchen at the time.

slapbangwhallop wrote:

boxingchat wrote:How the eff can you be happy that someone has died?

She wasn't a dictator or a murderer she was a Prime Minister and a bloody good one at that.

More commuinities and people have been fucked by labour and the mess is still ongoing.

Show some respect and remove such a vile poll.

She wasn't a murderer? Interesting perspective.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

Parson Cross wrote:Well the truth is the truth mate.
Under the 30 year rule the papers have to be made public and that's the content.

I don't doubt that there had been talks. I also believe that if Argentina hadn't invaded the islands they would be called Las Malvinas now, and will be eventually anyway.

G0mez wrote:A lad was saying earlier, that he pulled into the garage part of his local Tesco this afternoon and the cashier girl said "That Maggie Thatcher has died today, don't know what all the fuss is about"

He said "Where this giant Tesco used to be, was a coal pit where my dad, my uncle and my grandad all worked. They earned wages to put food on the table, to pay their way in life, to take their kids on holiday and put presents under the xmas tree. And despite there being over 30 years left of coal to mine, she shut the place down. And subsequently, they all sold their cars, start catching buses. The holidays to the seaside stopped for years and his grandad never worked the last 6 years of his working life because he could find no other job. And that as a whole family, they lost about 14 years wages between, from a profitable pit."

- And that's the attitude of all the younger people today at this news - they don't get it. They think this mess has always been here. Well just imagine if every village (let alone every city) had a business that paid well and screaming for more people to come and work for them. A car park full of new cars, paid for with good wages that went straight back into their local community.

Then shut them down, make proud men skint, to give them dole money and take their livelihoods all away. Now they're kids and their grandkids, all litter these areas and have nothing in life except the benefit system. A legacy of poverty and Jeremy Kyle on television.

While the capital sees these bastards get richer and richer, with bonuses bigger than the wages of an entire annual shopping centre of staff.

Once upon a time, these villages and little towns all worked, all earned money in our industries and have self respect.

Probably before you were born.

lillywhite14 wrote:Yorkshire folk have principles? Different to southerners!? What a load of old poo.

I'm a working class oik from the south. I'm no different to your working class monkeys up north. Apart from being a little less dramatic it seems and a different accent.

lillywhite14 wrote:Working class is working class, be you Northern, Southern, Welsh or from the Midlands.

Ain't never been no 'Kent Ripper' either from what I'm aware of. You can keep them principles

Fat Git wrote: None of that is true.

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicat ... D/rankings

But we are doing better than the Mexicans so that's allright.

78% of our GDP comes from the service industry.

Three cheers for Maggie!

Hagler2002 wrote:In other news Fred Talbot the weatherman from ITV's This Morning is the latest celebrity accused of rampant noncery..

macaca wrote:

Parson Cross wrote:Kent - home of Danny Dyer and Kelly Brooke ....
Principals eh !