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Seriously though, Fury would get smashed and smashed early off Haye.

Haye feasts on larger opponents with no speed.

It would be a demolition job and its not actually worthy of much discussion as the 2 fighters are at totally different ends of the career spectrum.

Wrists wrote:Seriously though, Fury would get smashed and smashed early off Haye.

Haye feasts on larger opponents with no speed.

It would be a demolition job and its not actually worthy of much discussion as the 2 fighters are at totally different ends of the career spectrum.

Fury is certainly more mobile than Valuev ever was. And what other "larger opponents" is there that he beaten? Chisora? That's average heavyweight size. Come on now. A demolition? I think not. Haye was scared shiitless of mixing it up with Vladimir, and Fury would force Haye to do just that.

Wrists wrote:Seriously though, Fury would get smashed and smashed early off Haye.

Haye feasts on larger opponents with no speed.

Yeah like... actually there aren't many examples of Haye beating fighters as good as Fury.

Haye has feasted on nobody like Fury. Haye gets starched if he fights Fury.

This is all becoming a little surreal now. quite bizarre

My thoughts exactly. No amount of Tyson Fury knockdowns and torrid struggles seem to get through to his fans. When you have to twist reality to make your point, perhaps your point is unsound? Maybe Fury's delusion is contagious?

Just to confirm, Keith is the one who thinks Povetkin beats everyone including Klitschko and Horse thinks Fury beats everyone.

Life & death with Steve Cunningham = defeat every heavyweight.

Oh, I feel a great deal of these Keith and Horse posts are going to be exhumed later in the year.

Why do people always come out with "Fury struggled with Chisora"? He never in the fight I saw.

what fury proved the other night was that he is very easy to hit. if it was haye throwing the punches, he wouldnt have finished the fight. fury was in deep trouble at some points and i dont think haye would have let him off the hook.
fury got away with it because cunningham was small and does not carry heavyweight power. fury has the raw material to be successful , but he needs to go back to school , and could do with a smart trainer.

loaded_gloves wrote:My thoughts exactly. No amount of Tyson Fury knockdowns and torrid struggles seem to get through to his fans. When you have to twist reality to make your point, perhaps your point is unsound? Maybe Fury's delusion is contagious?

Just to confirm, Keith is the one who thinks Povetkin beats everyone including Klitschko and Horse thinks Fury beats everyone.

Life & death with Steve Cunningham = defeat every heavyweight.

Oh, I feel a great deal of these Keith and Horse posts are going to be exhumed later in the year.

I know, it's one of those strange threads where it turns out more than one person holds some bizarre opinion and you start to question your own sanity.

For example, above, Keith seems to think that when Fury beat Chisora, Chisora had just come off 24 rounds with Helenius and Vitali.

Horse thinks Fury didn't struggle with Chisora. That's more debatable, but what I saw was Tyson being rocked to his boots in the second round, emerging from a bruising, competitive battle and winning by a few points (against an obese man).

HomicideHenry wrote:

Wrists wrote:Seriously though, Fury would get smashed and smashed early off Haye.

Haye feasts on larger opponents with no speed.

It would be a demolition job and its not actually worthy of much discussion as the 2 fighters are at totally different ends of the career spectrum.

Fury is certainly more mobile than Valuev ever was. And what other "larger opponents" is there that he beaten? Chisora? That's average heavyweight size. Come on now. A demolition? I think not. Haye was scared shiitless of mixing it up with Vladimir, and Fury would force Haye to do just that.

Fury may be more mobile than Valuev but his chin and defence are infinitely worse. If Haye had caught him like Cunningham did, Fury would still be asleep now. Haye loves big guys with no chin who provide a target for him and for this reason Fury is tailor-made for him. Also, consider that while Haye only landed two big right hands vs Wlad, they were the best two punches of the fight and that's against the guy most difficult to connect on in the division.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:My thoughts exactly. No amount of Tyson Fury knockdowns and torrid struggles seem to get through to his fans. When you have to twist reality to make your point, perhaps your point is unsound? Maybe Fury's delusion is contagious?

Just to confirm, Keith is the one who thinks Povetkin beats everyone including Klitschko and Horse thinks Fury beats everyone.

Life & death with Steve Cunningham = defeat every heavyweight.

Oh, I feel a great deal of these Keith and Horse posts are going to be exhumed later in the year.

I know, it's one of those strange threads where it turns out more than one person holds some bizarre opinion and you start to question your own sanity.

For example, above, Keith seems to think that when Fury beat Chisora, Chisora had just come off 24 rounds with Helenius and Vitali.

Horse thinks Fury didn't struggle with Chisora. That's more debatable, but what I saw was Tyson being rocked to his boots in the second round, emerging from a bruising, competitive battle and winning by a few points (against an obese man).

Well I suggest you watch it again. I saw an out of shape 22 year old beat Chisora an awful lot clearer than Helenius could manage. Missed the bit where he was "rocked to his boots" too.

mickey1975 wrote:Missed the bit where he was "rocked to his boots" too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFvO3vMWMSw

OK, let's remind people. 10:45 onwards. Then 11:50. Just watch the tape and take it in rather than choosing to ignore it to support an argument

Riddick Blowe wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Missed the bit where he was "rocked to his boots" too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFvO3vMWMSw

OK, let's remind people. 10:45 onwards. Then 11:50. Just watch the tape and take it in rather than choosing to ignore it to support an argument

It seemed more of a balance thing when he stumbled backwards. He fired back throughout and at no stage looked "rocked to his boots".

I'm entirely with those who feel Haye would smash Fury early. Haye's speed and power is a nightmare combination for somebody with as porous a defence as Tyson's, and he doesn't have the power or the technique of a Vlad to earn Haye's respect.

Deserter wrote:I'm entirely with those who feel Haye would smash Fury early. Haye's speed and power is a nightmare combination for somebody with as porous a defence as Tyson's, and he doesn't have the power or the technique of a Vlad to earn Haye's respect.

Why didn't Haye go for Valuev early? Fury will not box Haye the same as he did Cunningham.

mickey1975 wrote:

Deserter wrote:I'm entirely with those who feel Haye would smash Fury early. Haye's speed and power is a nightmare combination for somebody with as porous a defence as Tyson's, and he doesn't have the power or the technique of a Vlad to earn Haye's respect.

Why didn't Haye go for Valuev early? Fury will not box Haye the same as he did Cunningham.

Valuev's chin is far better than Fury's and Haye knew this

dookus wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

Deserter wrote:I'm entirely with those who feel Haye would smash Fury early. Haye's speed and power is a nightmare combination for somebody with as porous a defence as Tyson's, and he doesn't have the power or the technique of a Vlad to earn Haye's respect.

Why didn't Haye go for Valuev early? Fury will not box Haye the same as he did Cunningham.

Valuev's chin is far better than Fury's and Haye knew this

Indeed. Not sure why this is so difficult for people to understand. Valuev's head is a giant rock. Fury has been decked hard by non punchers. Haye would know that when he lands on Fury, it would be Goodnight Vienna.

Wasn't Haye once kayoed by a blown up former welterweight?

HomicideHenry wrote:Wasn't Haye once kayoed by a blown up former welterweight?

He was knocked down by one yeah 10 years ago odd. He has since been in with the best in the division both at Cruiserweight and heavyweight and not been stopped.

I think you will find Carl Thompson stopped him.

mickey1975 wrote:I think you will find Carl Thompson stopped him.

Yeah I'v re-read what I wrote now and it wasn't quite how I wanted to make the point I was trying to make.

I was aluding to him being in with 2 guys called Jean Marc Mormeck and Wladimir Klitschko and neither being able to stop him. You may have heard of those 2 fellas.

mickey1975 wrote:

Deserter wrote:I'm entirely with those who feel Haye would smash Fury early. Haye's speed and power is a nightmare combination for somebody with as porous a defence as Tyson's, and he doesn't have the power or the technique of a Vlad to earn Haye's respect.

Why didn't Haye go for Valuev early? Fury will not box Haye the same as he did Cunningham.

Wasn't it Haye signature punch that Cunningham nearly knocked Fury out?

I think Haye knocks Fury out without much trouble tbh, Chisora has a far superior chin to Fury and Haye proved me wrong on that one, i didn't give like his chances of stopping Chisora at all.

Yes, I remember mormeck flooring him and I was there when he ran like a bitch from Wlad. Put me off him for LIFE.

mickey1975 wrote:Yes, I remember mormeck flooring him and I was there when he ran like a bitch from Wlad. Put me off him for LIFE.

So to be clear we love Tyson Fury for getting off the floor to beat the might of Steve Cunningham but getting off the floor to win a World title is the act of scum?

mickey1975 wrote:I think you will find Carl Thompson stopped him.

About as relevant as John McDermott beating Fury wouldn't you agree?

Haye gassed against The Cat. Same as when Wlad gassed against Brewster and Puritty.

Furys best chance would be to have Haye working hard, applying pressure, leaning all over him. That's the way he can get a result against Haye.

If they right though my money is on Haye by KO. Fury eats too many shots and Haye punches too hard. Fury don't carry too much power either unfortunately.

tyson fury has a lot to do before people can even start comparing his ring achievements to david hayes. haye was a top class amatuer, and has won genuine world titles. he s a finely conditioned athlete and carries world class power, even for a heavyweight. its true hes too small by todays heavyweight standards, but hes been in with the best , and contrary to what a lot of idiots on here think, he can hold his head high. fury has a lot to do if hes gonna equal or surpass haye. if they were both the same size , nobody would be talking about fury. but its not his fault hes big, and hes making the most of what hes got, but lets face it, he still boxes like a novice at times.