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Maxsplit wrote:EDIT: I have just discovered Pulev LOST more fights as an amateur Super Heavyweight than he won, including losing FIVE times to Camarelle

HOW does this guy have such an esteemed reputation??

Are you sure? What's your source?

Have a look at this:
http://amateur-boxing.strefa.pl/Records ... ubrat.html

Also look at his achievements: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubrat_Pulev

He wasn't the best in his division, but he had a good amateur career.

And it's seldom the very best amateurs who become the top pros. It does happen, but plenty don't.

followthecamel wrote:

Maxsplit wrote: This is a walk in the park for Fury, bookies and matchmakers

The only people who think Pulev stands a chance are Internet boxing experts.

Maybe they can see something the rest of us can not, but I doubt it

Please explain then, why is Kubrat Pulev is ranked higher than Tyson Fury?

What I see is that Pulev jabs well, has a good chin, can fight the full 12 rounds, whereas Fury can't box a lick, is chinny, and is blowing after 5. It's possible he would have got through and put Pulev over at some point, but I find it hard to imagine any other way Fury wins a round! Pulev actually knows how to box, Fury fights like a car park brawl and can't take a shot from a cruiserweight. He's fun to watch and I don't hate him, but he would have been badly out of his depth. Pulev is the future of the division.

SamWise72 wrote:And it's seldom the very best amateurs who become the top pros. It does happen, but plenty don't.

Are you sure? Who were amateur legends who are now pros? Rigondeaux and Gamboa are the first that come to mind, and they are awesome pros. Odlanier Solis is a flop, but that seems to be through attitude rather than ability.

Asterix wrote:

SamWise72 wrote:And it's seldom the very best amateurs who become the top pros. It does happen, but plenty don't.

Are you sure? Who were amateur legends who are now pros? Rigondeaux and Gamboa are the first that come to mind, and they are awesome pros. Odlanier Solis is a flop, but that seems to be through attitude rather than ability.

Just have a look down the list of Olympic gold medalists who never did anything special as pros. It's a long list, but so is the list of former Olympic gold medalists who became top pros too.

SNG wrote:

Asterix wrote:

SamWise72 wrote:And it's seldom the very best amateurs who become the top pros. It does happen, but plenty don't.

Are you sure? Who were amateur legends who are now pros? Rigondeaux and Gamboa are the first that come to mind, and they are awesome pros. Odlanier Solis is a flop, but that seems to be through attitude rather than ability.

Just have a look down the list of Olympic gold medalists who never did anything special as pros. It's a long list, but so is the list of former Olympic gold medalists who became top pros too.

Just did. The list has Andre Ward and Povetkin as well as the names I mentioned earlier. The only failed one is Yan Barthelemy. What Sam said is a myth, as far as I can see.

The only failure....

Does winning Prizefighter equate to being a successful professional now??

MarkMcBurney wrote:The only failure....

Does winning Prizefighter equate to being a successful professional now??

We must compare numbers. For the 2004 Olympics, it's 4 successes versus 2 failures. My whole point was that it's not rare for an Olympic Gold medalist to become a "top pro". You citing a failure does nothing to disprove my point.

MarkMcBurney wrote:The only failure....

Does winning Prizefighter equate to being a successful professional now??

No, only if you win it twice!!

Exoddus wrote:

polecateddy wrote:

Exoddus wrote:Even though this negotiation is for a IBF eliminator. I would have thought Adamek was most likely. He's shorter than Cunningham and the majority of his fights have been at light heavy/cruiserweight. Adamek is a small heavyweight and I would suspect a similar fight to Fury's last one against Cunningham.

The Fury camp know he can beat these type of guys up, and then cherry pick big domestic matches with Price and Haye in the near future. I think Fury would avoid prefer to avoid the Klitschko's, and wait for a vacant title to pop up.

If Fury does fight Adamek rather than the IBF eliminator against Pulev. He then avoids becoming a mandatory for Wladimir Klitschko's IBF Heavyweight title. Pulev is ranked #1 with the IBF. He'll end up fighting someone like Ruslan Chagaev (ranked #6 with the IBF) and then he'll become mandatory for Wladimir's IBF Heavyweight title and the eliminator will be scrapped.

That's my guess anyway. Fury to go for Adamek.

I was right about Fury pulling out of the IBF eliminator against Pulev. I was right about Pulev fighting Chagaev. Now that Fury has rejected a 50/50 split against Haye. Stating he wanted a 80/20 split (complete bottle job). If Fury fights Adamek next, then that's a clean sweep . .