Floyd v Alvarez - sept 14th - Confirmed

[desperados]

FFS, desperados, Floyd was weighed with all his clothes, boots and all for that stunt. Since he trains all year his walk around weight is in the low to mid 150s. He weighed 148 at his 1 month check before the Gurerro fight. any fighter that cuts tons of weight does it in the final week before the bout to ensure they can train at an optimal size as long as they can. Floyd is an average sized welterweight at best.

he was wearing a t-shirt and a pair of sneakers. Go stand on your scale with that on, then take them off and it won't be more than a 2lb difference.

Cut it whatever way you want, wether he trains all year round or not, the guy is in great condition at 160lb. His conditioning at 160 is what Marquez was at 142 vs Floyd. Look what Marquez did, he took a couple of years training and developed lean muscle to become a powerful Welter the last time we saw him KTFO Pacquiao... that would be the equivalent of Floyd taking a year in the gym and getting to middleweight. But that wouldn't fit in with this myth that Floyd is a teeny-tiny 140lb with no place even at 147. He must be half the size of Roberto Duran.

[dbf]

Just look at Mayweather on the scales you can tell he's not a massive drainer. He probably does 155 on fight night, which is what most jr welters come in at. Hence why I think, if he wanted to or had to, he would do 140.

[sockdolager]

FFS, desperados, Floyd was weighed with all his clothes, boots and all for that stunt. Since he trains all year his walk around weight is in the low to mid 150s. He weighed 148 at his 1 month check before the Gurerro fight. any fighter that cuts tons of weight does it in the final week before the bout to ensure they can train at an optimal size as long as they can. Floyd is an average sized welterweight at best.

he was wearing a t-shirt and a pair of sneakers. Go stand on your scale with that on, then take them off and it won't be more than a 2lb difference.

Cut it whatever way you want, wether he trains all year round or not, the guy is in great condition at 160lb. His conditioning at 160 is what Marquez was at 142 vs Floyd. Look what Marquez did, he took a couple of years training and developed lean muscle to become a powerful Welter the last time we saw him KTFO Pacquiao... that would be the equivalent of Floyd taking a year in the gym and getting to middleweight. But that wouldn't fit in with this myth that Floyd is a teeny-tiny 140lb with no place even at 147. He must be half the size of Roberto Duran.

Again, Mayweather is an average sized at best welterweight. He is not in the 160s between fights, as much as you'd love him to be. What fighter would be 148 a month out of a 147 bout if he was not already just about that size? Roberto Duran had a ricky hatton like lifestyle and it became impossible for him to cut that much weight anymore. Bad example.

[desperados]

Again, Mayweather is an average sized at best welterweight. He is not in the 160s between fights, as much as you'd love him to be. What fighter would be 148 a month out of a 147 bout if he was not already just about that size? Roberto Duran had a ricky hatton like lifestyle and it became impossible for him to cut that much weight anymore. Bad example.

OK, let's get our facts together here instead of making outlandish claims like he's not 160 between fights.

In the photo's of his WWE stunt, he wieghed in 160 with trainers and a T-shirt on, so i'm sure you can conceede that at the very minimum he weighed 157? Can we go with that? What we also know for fact is that he is still, even at that weight, looking in good condition - his upperbody is still very defined, you can clearly see every ab muscle. Can we also agree that, even though it's WWE, it still required training in the led up to it? His stunts would have been rehearsed, he would have been putting in a little gym work (obviously nothing like a training camp but still training regime never the less). Now using all that info, if the guy takes a 2 week vacation, no gym, just time-off like most other fighters, eats what he likes, puts on some body fat liek a regular person, he's geting into the 160's EASY.

Duran may have got fat between fights but size wise, muscle wise, skeleton wise, they aren't that dissimilar.

[sockdolager]

And again, why was he at 148 a month out from a 147 fight? wouldnt he be at about the light middle limit a month out or would it make sense to cut all that weight a month before you have to? Having had to make weight for wrestling I know the drill, water weight is the last to go to cut to the minimum weight necessary. A person that weighs 160+ would be around 160, like Guerrero was, not 148.

[Pug1]

FFS, desperados, Floyd was weighed with all his clothes, boots and all for that stunt. Since he trains all year his walk around weight is in the low to mid 150s. He weighed 148 at his 1 month check before the Gurerro fight. any fighter that cuts tons of weight does it in the final week before the bout to ensure they can train at an optimal size as long as they can. Floyd is an average sized welterweight at best.

he was wearing a t-shirt and a pair of sneakers. Go stand on your scale with that on, then take them off and it won't be more than a 2lb difference.

Cut it whatever way you want, wether he trains all year round or not, the guy is in great condition at 160lb. His conditioning at 160 is what Marquez was at 142 vs Floyd. Look what Marquez did, he took a couple of years training and developed lean muscle to become a powerful Welter the last time we saw him KTFO Pacquiao... that would be the equivalent of Floyd taking a year in the gym and getting to middleweight. But that wouldn't fit in with this myth that Floyd is a teeny-tiny 140lb with no place even at 147. He must be half the size of Roberto Duran.

Now I know where you got the name 'Desperado'. 159lbs in some heavy jeans and t shirt. I say the man weighs 154lbs, and who said he was in training ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD1MLYUhWng

[desperados]

And again, why was he at 148 a month out from a 147 fight? wouldnt he be at about the light middle limit a month out or would it make sense to cut all that weight a month before you have to? Having had to make weight for wrestling I know the drill, water weight is the last to go to cut to the minimum weight necessary. A person that weighs 160+ would be around 160, like Guerrero was, not 148.

Weight is something he cares alot about and controls public perception of his weight - why do you think the only time he stepped on the fight-night scale once in the last 6 years, and just so happened to be the night he weighed 150 to Ortiz 164? Why do you think that is? Because he calls the shots and only wants to show the occassions he has a disadvantage. Not in your life would the guy be standing on the scales vs Hatton or Marquez because he was the heavier man. As for his 30-day weights, he's regularly been around 150 if you search them. If you can grab some photo's of them and compare them to the WWE picture where he's weighing (we'll say the high 150's due to accuracy of scaling with shoes on) - then you can see he's even more ripped. It's an admirable approach imo, very disciplined to maintain such low levels of body fat, which i reckon he probably achieves with ease very early his camps - it's been well documented how unhealthy it is for guys to kill themselves in their last 7-10 days doing it.

Size wise, there ain't much in it between Guerrero and Floyd (even if there was alot of bitching that Guerrero was too small, if anything he's a fraction bigger). If you check out the first meeting of the pair at the Showtime photoshoot you can see why Guerrero is walking around in the high 160's, maybe even 170... because he puts on a little fat like everyone else. Which brings me back to my original point, we've seen Floyd in very good condition in the high 150's, that's as far as the evidence extends in regard to his weight outwith a training camp. It's just simple logic that if he took a little time of the gym, he'd soften up a little like everyone else and would easily be walking around like Guerrero.

All i'm saying is people need to cut the BS in regards to Floyds weight, guy couldnt make 144 yet people act like he has no business above 140. It's not like i'm arguing Canelo isn' bigger, Floyds small for 154, even Cotto is a little on the small side for 154 - but his opponent, Canelo, is about the same size as Ortiz.

[Ezzard]

Alvarez has one good win over a very good opponent, Trout. Most of the Current Scene thought Trout won (for what that’s worth).

The only thing making this fight interesting was the size difference. Moving up is always a leveller. Now that risk has been hedged. Just another sheet sandwich. If there was no advantage for Floyd in the catchweight it would be at 154.

But let’s not dampen the enthusiasm with which American suburbanites open their wallets…

[CheckHook]

For what its worth I really don't think the 2lb is gonna make any significant difference to the fight, Canelo will still have a weight and size advantage and is unlikely to be seriously drained by those extra 2lb. Obviously, if come fight night Canelo doesn't rehydrate and walks into the ring at 152lb in similar style to what happened to Oscar against Manny, then we know the weight killed him. I almost feel like the catchweight is a get out clause for Canelo, if he losses he can say he lost it on the scales instead of in the ring.

Also, no way Floyd could do 140 anymore and be healthy. People want to paint him as some tiny fighter who doesn't even belong at 147, but the truth is that he has clearly become a fit, healthy and strong 147lb fighter, who at his age would really struggle to get down to 140.