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gilgamesh wrote:

Rover wrote: Won a decision, actually. It took place in Japan. Canizales/Reyes II and Morrison/Rhode (post-HIV discovery) were on the undercard.

So Jimmy Thunder stops the guy with one punch and Foreman couldn't stop him? Who would've thought it.

Hey, Foreman was near 50 by then.

Rover wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Rover wrote: Won a decision, actually. It took place in Japan. Canizales/Reyes II and Morrison/Rhode (post-HIV discovery) were on the undercard.

So Jimmy Thunder stops the guy with one punch and Foreman couldn't stop him? Who would've thought it.

Hey, Foreman was near 50 by then.

I know, but still.

Joe Lipsey had a good record, was IBF mandatory but Hopkins destroyed him by KO in Vegas, never heard from Joe again.

Also,
Tor Hamer. Courage Tshabalala. Vaughn Bean. Tim Puller. Alex Zolkin. Lonnie Bradley. the list goes on...

Another WBA joke: Seung-Soon Lee. 32-2; fought Breland and got blown out in under a minute.

hh----re:harry kid matthews........i guess you weren't around then. as i said, mattjhews had some good wins..but look at the records of many of the guys on his record. it was jack curley who moved him into prominence....and he had a very good fight against irish bob murphy....which mAde him a star and a top light heavyweight contender. but he turned down a fight with maxim, and stayed away from archie moore. the ring magazine had him rated one or two as a light heavy, but when he turned down the maxim match they moved him into the heavyweight ratings..

and maybe i should have restricted the manufacturing to the marciano fight. he weighed 179 for that one ...so much for being a heavy...and it was a really big fight...winner would be the top contender for the heavyweight tittle. of course he didn't belong in that fight and marciano iced him with two left hooks.but matthews made a lot of money for that one...half of which went to curley.

get on google and read about matthews and jack curley. great stuff.

Jaclem wrote:hh----re:harry kid matthews........i guess you weren't around then. as i said, mattjhews had some good wins..but look at the records of many of the guys on his record. it was jack curley who moved him into prominence....and he had a very good fight against irish bob murphy....which mAde him a star and a top light heavyweight contender. but he turned down a fight with maxim, and stayed away from archie moore. the ring magazine had him rated one or two as a light heavy, but when he turned down the maxim match they moved him into the heavyweight ratings..

and maybe i should have restricted the manufacturing to the marciano fight. he weighed 179 for that one ...so much for being a heavy...and it was a really big fight...winner would be the top contender for the heavyweight tittle. of course he didn't belong in that fight and marciano iced him with two left hooks.but matthews made a lot of money for that one...half of which went to curley.

get on google and read about matthews and jack curley. great stuff.

Jack Curley, the same Jack Curley that left boxing and went into the professional wrestling business?

Always thought Yory Boy Campas was a somewhat manufactured fighter. Had more than 50 consecutive wins, most by KO, when he earned (?) his title fight with Tito. Best name on his record was prospect Roger Turner and Campas struggled to win a decision in that one. Everyone else on his log was a D and C lister.
Turns out he could handle himself in the ring, but in the early 90s, fans in Mexico assured me that he was the next Chavez. In retrospect, he probably wasn't as good as Chavez Junior.
But long ago, he was as wildly popular south of the border as Canelo is now.

SenorPipino wrote:Always thought Yory Boy Campas was a somewhat manufactured fighter. Had more than 50 consecutive wins, most by KO, when he earned (?) his title fight with Tito. Best name on his record was prospect Roger Turner and Campas struggled to win a decision in that one. Everyone else on his log was a D and C lister.
Turns out he could handle himself in the ring, but in the early 90s, fans in Mexico assured me that he was the next Chavez. In retrospect, he probably wasn't as good as Chavez Junior.
But long ago, he was as wildly popular south of the border as Canelo is now.

Odds were even for the Tito fight.

Rover wrote:Another one who comes to mind: Buck Smith.
I can't believe I didn't think of him earlier.
Lord, what a padded record. He was beaten every time he stepped up and feasted on club fighters.

I met Buck Smith in '99. A good guy in my view.

Sean O'Grady first fights were manufactured. As soon he fought a good opponent, he flunked. But it seems that he learned from those early defeats by Danny Lopez and Jim Watt and became world champion.

elmersalsa wrote:

Rover wrote:Another one who comes to mind: Buck Smith.
I can't believe I didn't think of him earlier.
Lord, what a padded record. He was beaten every time he stepped up and feasted on club fighters.

I met Buck Smith in '99. A good guy in my view.

Which has nothing to do with my point. I'm not criticizing his character.

Rover wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:Always thought Yory Boy Campas was a somewhat manufactured fighter. Had more than 50 consecutive wins, most by KO, when he earned (?) his title fight with Tito. Best name on his record was prospect Roger Turner and Campas struggled to win a decision in that one. Everyone else on his log was a D and C lister.
Turns out he could handle himself in the ring, but in the early 90s, fans in Mexico assured me that he was the next Chavez. In retrospect, he probably wasn't as good as Chavez Junior.
But long ago, he was as wildly popular south of the border as Canelo is now.

Odds were even for the Tito fight.

Actually in Mexico, Trinidad opened about a 2 1/2-1 favorite. By fight time, the odds had completely turned around and Campas was nearly a 3-1 choice.
I cleaned up at the book that night, but I got a scare when Yory connected with that very short hook and dropped Tito. Of course, Trinidad woke up and nearly decapitated Campas.

SenorPipino wrote:

Rover wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:Always thought Yory Boy Campas was a somewhat manufactured fighter. Had more than 50 consecutive wins, most by KO, when he earned (?) his title fight with Tito. Best name on his record was prospect Roger Turner and Campas struggled to win a decision in that one. Everyone else on his log was a D and C lister.
Turns out he could handle himself in the ring, but in the early 90s, fans in Mexico assured me that he was the next Chavez. In retrospect, he probably wasn't as good as Chavez Junior.
But long ago, he was as wildly popular south of the border as Canelo is now.

Odds were even for the Tito fight.

Actually in Mexico, Trinidad opened about a 2 1/2-1 favorite. By fight time, the odds had completely turned around and Campas was nearly a 3-1 choice.
I cleaned up at the book that night, but I got a scare when Yory connected with that very short hook and dropped Tito. Of course, Trinidad woke up and nearly decapitated Campas.

Yeah, as a Tito fan, I was like...no!
Then Tito torched him. That was a brutal round, but Campas could take a punch.

Rover wrote: Yeah, as a Tito fan, I was like...no!
Then Tito torched him. That was a brutal round, but Campas could take a punch.

That punch that Tito lands right as they wave the fight off has gotta be one of the most brutal looking shots I've ever seen that didn't produce a knockdown. You half expected Campas' head to go flying into the fifth row.

henry-----yeah, i think curley might have gone into wrestling promotion. he was into a lot of things. great hustler. i 'll check him out on google when i get a chance, so if you care to do it too you can beat me to it.

gilgamesh wrote:

Rover wrote: Yeah, as a Tito fan, I was like...no!
Then Tito torched him. That was a brutal round, but Campas could take a punch.

That punch that Tito lands right as they wave the fight off has gotta be one of the most brutal looking shots I've ever seen that didn't produce a knockdown. You half expected Campas' head to go flying into the fifth row.

I remember it well; brutal stuff. Campas had a helluva chin.

How about Mario Veit, who went 30-0, was stopped in 1 by Calzaghe, won 15 in a row and was stopped again? I certainly didn't notice his having done anything of note in his 45 wins up to Calzaghe II, nor anything since.

gilgamesh wrote:

Rover wrote: Yeah, as a Tito fan, I was like...no!
Then Tito torched him. That was a brutal round, but Campas could take a punch.

That punch that Tito lands right as they wave the fight off has gotta be one of the most brutal looking shots I've ever seen that didn't produce a knockdown. You half expected Campas' head to go flying into the fifth row.

Yeah, the way his neck went limp was hardcore. It reminded me of Wilfredo Vasquez Snr's KO over Rojas.

and to a lesser extent, Morales against Chacon.

Rover wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Rover wrote: Yeah, as a Tito fan, I was like...no!
Then Tito torched him. That was a brutal round, but Campas could take a punch.

That punch that Tito lands right as they wave the fight off has gotta be one of the most brutal looking shots I've ever seen that didn't produce a knockdown. You half expected Campas' head to go flying into the fifth row.

I remember it well; brutal stuff. Campas had a helluva chin.

The only guy that comes to mind who took a similarly vicious, near-death pounding without falling was Duke Morrison when he was being bludgeoned by Ray Mercer in the 5th.
Never expected Morrison to recover. Thought he would be a permanent vegetable.

Yeah, I think that one was worse than Tito/Campas.

Rover wrote:Yeah, I think that one was worse than Tito/Campas.

Doesn't get much more brutal than Morrison/Mercer...and I wouldn't want it to.

Speaking of heavies, how about a shout out to China Smith, who was 23-0 with 22 kayos if I remember right before Saul Montana crashed that hype party twice.

gilgamesh wrote:

Rover wrote:Yeah, I think that one was worse than Tito/Campas.

Doesn't get much more brutal than Morrison/Mercer...and I wouldn't want it to.

Cooney-Norton was similar, if not more brutal.

Rover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

Rover wrote:Another one who comes to mind: Buck Smith.
I can't believe I didn't think of him earlier.
Lord, what a padded record. He was beaten every time he stepped up and feasted on club fighters.

I met Buck Smith in '99. A good guy in my view.

Which has nothing to do with my point. I'm not criticizing his character.

I have never said that you criticized his character, sir.