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MightyWarrior wrote:I thought the big announcement was scheduled for yesterday?

My local mini cab firm got a call last week, asking if any drivers could boil down to 140 in the next month or so - coincidence?

KO Artist wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:I thought the big announcement was scheduled for yesterday?

My local mini cab firm got a call last week, asking if any drivers could boil down to 140 in the next month or so - coincidence?

As Dirty Harry said a good man always knows his limitations. Hobson and Hatton knows he is limited and he is not in the league of Cotto and Mayweather.

Hattons win over Tszyu really flattered him. Kostya was way past it.

Hobson and Hatton cannot afford to lose. So they will keep him winning, just, against average opposition.

I used to think Hatton would beat Witter, but now I reckon Junior would outpoint him.

Witer is the fresher of the two.

Hatton IS avioding him unashamedly.

KO Artist wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:I thought the big announcement was scheduled for yesterday?

My local mini cab firm got a call last week, asking if any drivers could boil down to 140 in the next month or so - coincidence?

As Dirty Harry said a good man always knows his limitations. Hobson and Hatton knows he is limited and he is not in the league of Cotto and Mayweather.

Hattons win over Tszyu really flattered him. Kostya was way past it.

Hobson and Hatton cannot afford to lose. So they will keep him winning, just, against average opposition.

I used to think Hatton would beat Witter, but now I reckon Junior would outpoint him.

Witer is the fresher of the two.

Hatton IS avioding him unashamedly.

Max Molyneux wrote:Cotto's too dead at 10stone Search.

Even at Welter though Is Cotto experienced enough?

As for Harris didn't he turn down the Hatton fight?

search wrote:

viciousmaussa wrote:

KO Artist wrote: As Dirty Harry said a good man always knows his limitations. Hobson and Hatton knows he is limited and he is not in the league of Cotto and Mayweather.

Hattons win over Tszyu really flattered him. Kostya was way past it.

Hobson and Hatton cannot afford to lose. So they will keep him winning, just, against average opposition.

I used to think Hatton would beat Witter, but now I reckon Junior would outpoint him.

Witer is the fresher of the two.

Hatton IS avioding him unashamedly.

Floyd's not as great as ppl like to think up in the 140 and 147 pound classes and he looks ever more gunshy. No one's said Hatton was ducking Mayweather. You can bet Mayweather would've ducked his NATURAL challengers Cotto and Margarito had the DLH fight had not been made.

Floyd's superfight is a load of old bollocks anyway. His 'universally recognized' win over Baldomir was no different than beating Maussa or Urango and Oscar is hardly the stuff of legend. Golden Boy picked all his big name foes after they'd looked bad and has seldom been dominant. Tszyu was a lethal fighter even in his mid 30s.

Cotto would beat Hatton. No way at 140 but almost certainly at 147.

Baldomir would beat Hatton IMO.

Cotto would take him at 140 or 147... body shots.

DE LA HOYA ("not the stuff of legends") would completely obliterate HATTON.

Didn't Floyd already deal with HAttons next "superfight" - castillo, when castillo was a better fighter?

states wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote:Cotto's too dead at 10stone Search.

Even at Welter though Is Cotto experienced enough?

As for Harris didn't he turn down the Hatton fight?

Not sure that Cotto's experience comes into it at 147. His strength and power sure as hell does though. I think Cotto beats up Ricky at welterweight, and I'm a big fan of Hatton.

Yes, Harris did turn down a fight with Hatton. allegedly allegedly offered Harris 750 grand to come to the M.E.N., prior to the Tszyu fight, and Harris turned it down when he found out that Ricky, as the challenger, would be earning more. There were numerous promotional issues for Harris as well at the time, he claimed that he'd be taking home next to eff all of that money. He did offer to let it go to purse bids. Sports Network/Hatton declined. The upshot of that was Harris went to Germany to fight Urkal again for considerably less, and Hatton ended up fighting Tszyu (eventually)

Open your eyes man.
Go back and re-read your paragraph again states, it is very clear that
Warren turned down the purse bid, therefore the fight.
Why should the champion be forced to fight for less than the challenger?

When you can see thru the manipulation;
Hatton-turned- down-the-fight!

search wrote:

viciousmaussa wrote:

KO Artist wrote: As Dirty Harry said a good man always knows his limitations. Hobson and Hatton knows he is limited and he is not in the league of Cotto and Mayweather.

Hattons win over Tszyu really flattered him. Kostya was way past it.

Hobson and Hatton cannot afford to lose. So they will keep him winning, just, against average opposition.

I used to think Hatton would beat Witter, but now I reckon Junior would outpoint him.

Witer is the fresher of the two.

Hatton IS avioding him unashamedly.

Floyd's not as great as ppl like to think up in the 140 and 147 pound classes and he looks ever more gunshy. No one's said Hatton was ducking Mayweather. You can bet Mayweather would've ducked his NATURAL challengers Cotto and Margarito had the DLH fight had not been made.

Floyd's superfight is a load of old bollocks anyway. His 'universally recognized' win over Baldomir was no different than beating Maussa or Urango and Oscar is hardly the stuff of legend. Golden Boy picked all his big name foes after they'd looked bad and has seldom been dominant. Tszyu was a lethal fighter even in his mid 30s.

Cotto would beat Hatton. No way at 140 but almost certainly at 147.

Baldomir would beat Hatton IMO.

Cotto would take him at 140 or 147... body shots.

DE LA HOYA ("not the stuff of legends") would completely obliterate HATTON.

Didn't Floyd already deal with HAttons next "superfight" - castillo, when castillo was a better fighter?

Blue wrote:

states wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote:Cotto's too dead at 10stone Search.

Even at Welter though Is Cotto experienced enough?

As for Harris didn't he turn down the Hatton fight?

Not sure that Cotto's experience comes into it at 147. His strength and power sure as hell does though. I think Cotto beats up Ricky at welterweight, and I'm a big fan of Hatton.

Yes, Harris did turn down a fight with Hatton. allegedly allegedly allegedly offered Harris 750 grand to come to the M.E.N., prior to the Tszyu fight, and Harris turned it down when he found out that Ricky, as the challenger, would be earning more. There were numerous promotional issues for Harris as well at the time, he claimed that he'd be taking home next to eff all of that money. He did offer to let it go to purse bids. Sports Network/Hatton declined. The upshot of that was Harris went to Germany to fight Urkal again for considerably less, and Hatton ended up fighting Tszyu (eventually)

Open your eyes man.
Go back and re-read your paragraph again states, it is very clear that
Warren turned down the purse bid, therefore the fight.
Why should the champion be forced to fight for less than the challenger?

When you can see thru the manipulation;
Hatton-turned- down-the-fight!

states wrote:Harris asked for 750 grand. Warren said 'OK'. Harris then realised that Hatton would be making more. So he turned down the fight.

I don't deny that Warren/Hatton then opted out of purse bids. But Harris turned down the fight first. He had his reasons, but let's not rewrite history.

Hatton was going to be making more than the 'champion' (Harris was only WBA champion because of the WBA's amazing 'super champion' rules) because he was the draw, and he brought the money. Is that fair? Maybe not, and maybe Harris was within his rights to pull out. But the fact is he asked for a certain amount, he was offered it, and then he said no.

Andy Mac wrote:

search wrote:

viciousmaussa wrote:Floyd's not as great as ppl like to think up in the 140 and 147 pound classes and he looks ever more gunshy. No one's said Hatton was ducking Mayweather. You can bet Mayweather would've ducked his NATURAL challengers Cotto and Margarito had the DLH fight had not been made.

Floyd's superfight is a load of old bollocks anyway. His 'universally recognized' win over Baldomir was no different than beating Maussa or Urango and Oscar is hardly the stuff of legend. Golden Boy picked all his big name foes after they'd looked bad and has seldom been dominant. Tszyu was a lethal fighter even in his mid 30s.

Cotto would beat Hatton. No way at 140 but almost certainly at 147.

Baldomir would beat Hatton IMO.

Cotto would take him at 140 or 147... body shots.

DE LA HOYA ("not the stuff of legends") would completely obliterate HATTON.

Didn't Floyd already deal with HAttons next "superfight" - castillo, when castillo was a better fighter?

No, Mayflower took care of JLC when he had just had 3 fights at Welter, then had another 4 straight after at similar weights after Mayflower.

Baldomir is a joke that asked for more to fight Hatton than Collazo, Lazcano, or any of the other fighters HBO approved for Hattons first fight for them.

Blue wrote:

states wrote:Harris asked for 750 grand. Warren said 'OK'. Harris then realised that Hatton would be making more. So he turned down the fight.

I don't deny that Warren/Hatton then opted out of purse bids. But Harris turned down the fight first. He had his reasons, but let's not rewrite history.

Hatton was going to be making more than the 'champion' (Harris was only WBA champion because of the WBA's amazing 'super champion' rules) because he was the draw, and he brought the money. Is that fair? Maybe not, and maybe Harris was within his rights to pull out. But the fact is he asked for a certain amount, he was offered it, and then he said no.

Harris turned down Warren’s offer but did not turn down the fight.
You said it yourself, “Warren/Hatton then opted out of purse bids.”
The champion was willing to fight the challenger in his home turf,
but he wanted to be paid an equitable sum to do so.

The purse bid is there to protect the champion from unreasonable
demands of a challenger.
Those rules were there when the Hatton camp bought their mandatory position.

It is you and the Hatton publicist that are trying to rewrite history.
But it is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

Roars Like Me wrote:

Andy Mac wrote:

search wrote: Baldomir would beat Hatton IMO.

Cotto would take him at 140 or 147... body shots.

DE LA HOYA ("not the stuff of legends") would completely obliterate HATTON.

Didn't Floyd already deal with HAttons next "superfight" - castillo, when castillo was a better fighter?

No, Mayflower took care of JLC when he had just had 3 fights at Welter, then had another 4 straight after at similar weights after Mayflower.

Baldomir is a joke that asked for more to fight Hatton than Collazo, Lazcano, or any of the other fighters HBO approved for Hattons first fight for them.

Am i reading you Maywaether quote wrongly here?
PBF beat Castlillo via the judges rather than in the ring in most people's eyes. This was Floys's first fight at Light weight and Castliio's 5th, Not Welter etc?

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Roars Like Me wrote:

Andy Mac wrote: No, Mayflower took care of JLC when he had just had 3 fights at Welter, then had another 4 straight after at similar weights after Mayflower.

Baldomir is a joke that asked for more to fight Hatton than Collazo, Lazcano, or any of the other fighters HBO approved for Hattons first fight for them.

Am i reading you Maywaether quote wrongly here?
PBF beat Castlillo via the judges rather than in the ring in most people's eyes. This was Floys's first fight at Light weight and Castliio's 5th, Not Welter etc?

Wasnt it his second at lightweight after Augustus

Roars Like Me wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Wasnt it his second at lightweight after Augustus

After Augustus he fought Corrales, Hernandes,Chavez respectively at SF and then his first fight was against Castillo at LW..
So 'No' in short!

viciousmaussa wrote:

Blue wrote:

states wrote:Harris asked for 750 grand. Warren said 'OK'. Harris then realised that Hatton would be making more. So he turned down the fight.

I don't deny that Warren/Hatton then opted out of purse bids. But Harris turned down the fight first. He had his reasons, but let's not rewrite history.

Hatton was going to be making more than the 'champion' (Harris was only WBA champion because of the WBA's amazing 'super champion' rules) because he was the draw, and he brought the money. Is that fair? Maybe not, and maybe Harris was within his rights to pull out. But the fact is he asked for a certain amount, he was offered it, and then he said no.

Harris turned down Warren’s offer but did not turn down the fight.
You said it yourself, “Warren/Hatton then opted out of purse bids.”
The champion was willing to fight the challenger in his home turf,
but he wanted to be paid an equitable sum to do so.

The purse bid is there to protect the champion from unreasonable
demands of a challenger.
Those rules were there when the Hatton camp bought their mandatory position.

It is you and the Hatton publicist that are trying to rewrite history.
But it is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

Harris threw away a big payday, opted for an Urkal rematch, and got himself KO'd by Maussa. Either way, Hatton got that fool's title in the end. Harris' image as the next Mike McCallum took a serious hit and if he gets by Lazcano, he'll be over here for small money against nightmare sylist Witter. Harris stands to look like hell AND not earn much.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Manny Steward talked Harris out of the fight, he didn't fancy his chances. Why else would he ask for the fight to be staged in detroit, which isn't even a big boxing town any more?

Manny clearly wanted no part of that fight for his charge, but look what happened instead.

Harris would have gotten a career high payday, and let's face it, he's probably blown it now, when do we ever hear his name mentioned these days?

MightyWarrior wrote:

KO Artist wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:I thought the big announcement was scheduled for yesterday?

My local mini cab firm got a call last week, asking if any drivers could boil down to 140 in the next month or so - coincidence?

As Dirty Harry said a good man always knows his limitations. Hobson and Hatton knows he is limited and he is not in the league of Cotto and Mayweather.

Hattons win over Tszyu really flattered him. Kostya was way past it.

Hobson and Hatton cannot afford to lose. So they will keep him winning, just, against average opposition.

I used to think Hatton would beat Witter, but now I reckon Junior would outpoint him.

Witer is the fresher of the two.

Hatton IS avioding him unashamedly.

Yes seems that way doesn't it. But Witter does make it easy for him to avoid the fight, with some recently dull performances.

Hennessey should put Witter in with an agressive pressure fighter, with a less than graninte chin. Junior needs a good KO.

Warren tends to get credit for looking after Ricky's career, but it does look like Hatton wasted his best years on forgetable WBU "defences" instead of mixing it with the likes of Harris & Cotto - they even turned down an old Sharmba Mitchell.

Roars Like Me wrote:

Andy Mac wrote:

search wrote: Baldomir would beat Hatton IMO.

Cotto would take him at 140 or 147... body shots.

DE LA HOYA ("not the stuff of legends") would completely obliterate HATTON.

Didn't Floyd already deal with HAttons next "superfight" - castillo, when castillo was a better fighter?

No, Mayflower took care of JLC when he had just had 3 fights at Welter, then had another 4 straight after at similar weights after Mayflower.

Baldomir is a joke that asked for more to fight Hatton than Collazo, Lazcano, or any of the other fighters HBO approved for Hattons first fight for them.

Am i reading you Maywaether quote wrongly here?
PBF beat Castlillo via the judges rather than in the ring in most people's eyes. This was Floys's first fight at Light weight and Castliio's 5th, Not Welter etc?