'The Last American Heavyweight Floored By Muhammad Ali'

[BoxBuzz]

Il Duce....have your honestly not seen this picture....or has it been photoshopped?



Notice anything about the footwork here?

[gilgamesh]

So Buzz...how long are you gonna let this clown hang around with this bullsh*t day after day? Are we just gonna have to be flooded with these horsesh*t topics for years to come? Surely they can't remain all that amusing to you? The novelty of it all wore off for me after about a week.

[ThatOne]

So Buzz...how long are you gonna let this clown hang around with this bullsh*t day after day? Are we just gonna have to be flooded with these horsesh*t topics for years to come? Surely they can't remain all that amusing to you? The novelty of it all wore off for me after about a week.

I know that wasn't directed toward me but since I have come under personal attack for responding to him I feel it is incumbent for me to respond now. At first I was a bit upset by Duce's railing against Muhammad Ali but then I realized most of it was done in a jocular matter. He rarely gets exceeding personal with other posters...If he did that would be another matter. Also, it isn't Duce's threads that are cluttering the front page, it's the gentleman who was repeatedly asked not to. However the ignore option exists for situations just like that.

That's my two cents for whatever it's worth.

PEACE
That One

[BoxBuzz]

Il Duce....have your honestly not seen this picture....or has it been photoshopped?



Notice anything about the footwork here?

Il Duce....was this photoshopped or is that a 225 pound fella stepping on Ali's foot.

Is that a knockdown....well yes it is an official knockdown.

But had the ref seen what you and I are seeing would it be a knockdown?

Just wonderin'.

[BoxBuzz]

So......


He was in no trouble....was controlling the action...and his foot was stepped on.

I understand that if you push a guy down trip him, or even pay him to rest....and the ref don't see it and calls it a KD....it's a KD. Officially.

But I just can't tell if your frontal lobe has delivered this message to your hippocampus or not.

I know it would be fully functional if it was Ali doin' the steppin'.

Ground control to Major Douce......Please respond.

[evrenb]

Trolling personified. If Ali's son was on this board he would cite this as bullying....full if sh1t you are...

[BoxBuzz]

Ok....and Wepner hit him with everything including the Kitchen sink and a pipewrench....women fainted, the air chilled, a dog barked......the sun shone, the sea parted, the thunder rolled the ref farted.


and...............Wepner stepped on Ali's foot. See picture....which you did NOT provide in favor of another view after the fact, mysterious for a man who simply wants the facts to be known.


But you do not see this picture. or acknowledge the action. Yet you capture many other details....and are even keen on adding a few.


How was the fragrance by the way? Cuz something's smelling bad about your description.....I assume it's the ref's gas.

[evrenb]

Muhammad Ali " I fell hard...like when a 16stone man treads 'on' your foot and 'punches' you when 'you' are 'going' backward",

Ali " i got rabbit punched so many times that when i got back to my hotel room i ate a plate full of carrots"

Above are true quotes from.when i met him 20 years ago..

[Giancarlo]

The Duchess on the couch

[evrenb]

The Duchess on the couch

hilarious

[BoxBuzz]

Well he must have been giggling because he knew it would make for a good photo op, but at the same time he knew full well why it happened, Wepner's excellent "footwork".

But it's ok...were just "horsin' around" here.

By the way...I didn't page back....did you notice that Wepner stepped on Ali's foot?

Just wonderin'.

[BoxBuzz]

Seriously...Did Wepner actually take credit for knocking Ali down?

Well, who wouldn't I guess given the circumstances... gotta take luck like that and run with it.

So you actually think a punch had something to with it huh?

Did the footstompin' action help at all?

[BoxBuzz]

Fact..oh and in this case some truth.........(not always one and the same when "edited, or stated out of context)

Just a consummate pro exploiting the option for a rest. Being pragmatic Might as well parlay the lemons of a toe step...into the lemonade of a short break. Ali was always in the moment. Wepner stepped on his toes, had his 9 seconds of fame....why not soak up those seconds to relax? Wepner's beating was only going to get worse as a result of the clumsy and somewhat embarrassing moment.

By the way....did you notice Wepner stepped on Ali's foot? It was the damndest thing. It's doubtful if not a silly notion that the punch had much to with the fall.

Official knockdown though....no doubt. Cuz the ref said so. All part of the game.

[BoxBuzz]

OK your point made, and you are right, Chuck should never have been able to get his foot on top of Ali's.

Which he did admittedly accomplish.

But seriously...all he really got out of this fight was all beat up. And there are some that think Ali had fun with fights. So the final moments almost seem contrived.....had it been a 12 round fight...it probably would have looked just like the 15th in this one. Same if it would have been 20 rounds.

[BoxBuzz]

OK point made, he should never have been able to get his foot on top of Ali's.

Which he did admittedly accomplish.

But seriously...all he really got out of this fight was all beat up. And there are some that think Ali had fun with fights.

You don't really honestly believe that.

All Chuck Wepner got was........... 'beat up'.......

A $100,000 paycheck, for a guy who was accustomed to; $500 - $700 and $1000 Fight Purse's.......

TV Appearances on Talk Shows and Sports Programs..........

Name recognition...........

Stepped on the Champions foot.....

Once properly fixed (as above) I do stand corrected.

But I was keeping my comments to within the context of the fight. You stepped outside of those parameters with your response.

Within the actual context of the fight

1. He got all beat up
2. He stepped on the champion's foot.

[Giancarlo]

Nutcase.

[Giancarlo]

Easy Big Jim,,,,,,,,,,,Go Easy. You sure that is gonna fit in?

[Controversial]

One last question for Chuck. What fight of your’s did you feel at your very best? What was your finest performance?

He doesn’t hesitate to answer.

“Ali. That was the best I ever felt in the ring. Going 15 rounds. It’s the only fight I ever trained for full time in my career, my entire career. I got sent to camp by Don King. The other fights I used to have to run in the morning, work in the day, train at night. It’s tough to really get on top of your game when you have to do that. For the Ali fight he sent me up to camp. I trained for seven weeks and I showed a lot of people I was better than they thought I was.”

[Controversial]

Mr. Controversial

You should be a little more 'specific'.

It's a direct quote from Wepner himself, maybe he should have been more specific.

[Controversial]

Mr. C,

It is a correct quote, and quality post.

But, it makes it sound as suddenly, Chuck Wepner was a World Class Heavyweight.
'7-Weeks' of training camp isn't turning around a 36 year-old Journeyman/Club-Fighter,
who has had exactly 1-bout in the previous 10 Months.

He (Ali) was tough. He was a great fighter. He was so hard to hit with solid punches because he was constantly moving. He had great head movement. And he took a great punch.

When I dropped him in the ninth round, I went back to my corner and I said to my manager ‘Al, start the car. We're going to the bank. We're millionaires.' My manager said ‘You better turn around. He's getting up and he looks (ticked) off.' I said, ‘Uh oh.' And he was. He turned it up.

He was just too good for me. It wasn't that I wasn't ready. I was in the best shape of my life. But when somebody is as great as Muhammad Ali, even if you're in the greatest shape of your life you don't really have a chance.

That night in Cleveland, I probably could have beat anybody else in the world except Muhammad Ali. I consider him one of the two or three best fighters that ever lived, in any division.

[BoxBuzz]

Il Duce,

What are we looking at here?

What is that protruding object at the bottom of Chuck's leg? Is it a shoe? I can't quite tell.

What is that shoe on top of?

Is Ali fighting Jesus Christ? I don't think so.

So......If this IS Chuck and not Jesus, and Chuck admits that he could not step on Ali's foot AND throw a great punch at the same time...(and I agree with his assessment) Exactly what is happening in this picture?

Can you give us your assessment of just what on earth is happening in this picture?

Or....is that the mystery.....did this NOT happen on earth?

[BoxBuzz]

Hey your answer to the footstompin' question was nearly entertaining!

But I'm still not sure you see it.





Now....for a question that just might stump you.

So...for the new car, the new dishwasher, and everything behind door number "2".

What is the difference between

A. Fact

and

B. Fiction

You take all the time you need to clearly express the difference. If you can accurately describe it in a manner that is comprehensible, all those prizes could be yours!

[BoxBuzz]

Well if you are saying he was so bad, that he should never have gotten away with stepping on Ali's foot.....that's worth considering.


Just not sure all your verbage leads us to that very easily.'

But I think it's not all that challenging to do. But there is room for debate certainly.


There is so much obfuscation here, that I'm not at all certain what your point is.

[Controversial]

* And Three, I wasn't Jerry Quarry

Ali fought Quarry in his first comeback fight after being out the ring for 3.5 years and was easily outboxing him before the stoppage. Then Ali easily handled him in their rematch and stopped him again. Quarry wasn't the same force in 1975 so why would he avoid Quarry?

[BoxBuzz]

Well if you are saying he was so bad, that he should never have gotten away with stepping on Ali's foot.....that's worth considering.


Just not sure all your verbage leads us to that very easily.'

But I think it's not all that challenging to do. But there is room for debate certainly.


There is so much obfuscation here, that I'm not at all certain what your point is.

Muhammad Ali had 'heavy legs' at this portion of the bout.

During the first {1:35 of Round 9}, Muhammad Ali used his legs to circle and move. But suddenly
the overuse caused his leg muscles to get 'very heavy' - and he looked very sluggish at the {1:38 Mark}.

Also, Chuck landed several 'rib-crushing' right-hands into the left side of while Muhammad Ali when
he was 'trapped' on the Ropes a bit earlier.

Chuck was able to close the distance at this junction of the Round, unlike earlier.

Though there may have been a slight 'touching' of Chuck Wepner's left foot on Muhammad's right 'big toe',
it was in 'no way' a lead foot on Muhammad's big toe.

Then what the hell is going on in that photograph? Sure looks like that would immobilize a person, causing loss of balance.
Physics wise.

I agree with the "heavy legs" aspect......for at least a moment one of his legs was about 225 pounds heavier.



Damn Duce....I genuinely want to have this conversation with you.

I hear ya' knockin' but you just don't come in.




Like a bad FM station.