Worst defence by a world champion?

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Re: Worst defence by a world champion?

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mickey1975 wrote:
palooka wrote:And the mad thing is I like how Barker comes across - he seems a decent man with many good qualities.
That's why he is getting a free pass on here. Personally, I think he is well out of order and very sly. I also think Sky are wrong to take the whole team and their two favourite fighters out on a shopping trip a fortnight before Christmas and then leave subscribers with nothing until February. We will, I'm not joking, probably get repeats of Froch and Brook as a treat over the festive season! It's a joke.
So you wouldn't have tried to fight Mickey? Knowing you weren't right but hoping that you could pull it off? Knowing that either way it may be your last fight - you would turn that down and not fight? Bearing in mind the flights of his fans, etc were already booked, hotels paid for anyway.

I really can't fault Barker, its not like he went in and knelt down straight away is it. He tried, and was still trying when the towel was thrown in.
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DMA1987 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:
palooka wrote:And the mad thing is I like how Barker comes across - he seems a decent man with many good qualities.
That's why he is getting a free pass on here. Personally, I think he is well out of order and very sly. I also think Sky are wrong to take the whole team and their two favourite fighters out on a shopping trip a fortnight before Christmas and then leave subscribers with nothing until February. We will, I'm not joking, probably get repeats of Froch and Brook as a treat over the festive season! It's a joke.
So you wouldn't have tried to fight Mickey? Knowing you weren't right but hoping that you could pull it off? Knowing that either way it may be your last fight - you would turn that down and not fight? Bearing in mind the flights of his fans, etc were already booked, hotels paid for anyway.

I really can't fault Barker, its not like he went in and knelt down straight away is it. He tried, and was still trying when the towel was thrown in.
So Barker was thinking of his fans? They would have been better off getting their money back for the ticket and going on the p!ss or a bit of shopping at that Christmas market.
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mickey1975 wrote:
DMA1987 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote: That's why he is getting a free pass on here. Personally, I think he is well out of order and very sly. I also think Sky are wrong to take the whole team and their two favourite fighters out on a shopping trip a fortnight before Christmas and then leave subscribers with nothing until February. We will, I'm not joking, probably get repeats of Froch and Brook as a treat over the festive season! It's a joke.
So you wouldn't have tried to fight Mickey? Knowing you weren't right but hoping that you could pull it off? Knowing that either way it may be your last fight - you would turn that down and not fight? Bearing in mind the flights of his fans, etc were already booked, hotels paid for anyway.

I really can't fault Barker, its not like he went in and knelt down straight away is it. He tried, and was still trying when the towel was thrown in.
So Barker was thinking of his fans? They would have been better off getting their money back for the ticket and going on the p!ss or a bit of shopping at that Christmas market.
You didn't answer the question.
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Dead Mouse wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:
palooka wrote:And the mad thing is I like how Barker comes across - he seems a decent man with many good qualities.
That's why he is getting a free pass on here. Personally, I think he is well out of order and very sly. I also think Sky are wrong to take the whole team and their two favourite fighters out on a shopping trip a fortnight before Christmas and then leave subscribers with nothing until February. We will, I'm not joking, probably get repeats of Froch and Brook as a treat over the festive season! It's a joke.
I'm not pro-Sky, by any means, but at least stick to the facts, they've got a show next weekend.
I forgot about it! I will try to stick to the facts in future, Terry. Sorry.
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Mickey,

If you had a history of hip problems, but the hip had held up for 12 rounds in your last fight, would you have taken the fight?
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You mean worst defence by a paper titlist?

Not sure? There have been a lot of paper titlists.
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Answer to the original question. Barker.
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keithmoonhangover wrote:Mickey,

If you had a history of hip problems, but the hip had held up for 12 rounds in your last fight, would you have taken the fight?
If I fully trusted my hip I doubt I would have gone to Germany in my first defence.
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Frank Bruno - OK, he was always going to lose to Tyson, come what may, but the way he capitulated was pathetic.

He was terrified before the bell rang & it was so surprising because he gave a peak Tyson a decent fight 7 years earlier & Bruno, despite his limitations always gave it his all & went out on his shield, but not for Tyson 2.

Roberto Duran - His defence against Sugar Ray Leonard was a joke too. After his magnificent performance to beat a peak Leonard after jumping up 2 weight classes, he quits the rematch like a stroppy teenager because he couldn't get his own way. :evil:
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mickey1975 wrote:
mimmy123 wrote:Im going to say Frank Bruno against Tyson number 2. I think Bruno knew he didnt have a chance in hell and cashed in on the title. Im sure Bruno could have taken an easier option for yes less money and maybe defended his crown. Bruno fought very hard to get to the top but in my opinion just threw it away for money. While I love Bruno I think he did himself injustice fighting Tyson again and really not giving his fans much of a return.
He had to fight Tyson as part of the deal done to bring McCall over. Bruno didn't really want it.
I didnt realise that, so im guessing the winner of Bruno v MCCall was going to face Tyson. It makes sense I suppose as McCall was also managed by Don King. I think MCCall would have done better than Bruno if he had won the title instead.
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Re: Worst defence by a world champion?

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DMA1987 wrote:I remember when Palooka was a voice of reason.

Going way overboard these days mate. Both with the Froch fight and this.
The painters are in; I'll be less shrill and hysterical this week :OhYes:
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Syntax Error wrote:Frank Bruno - OK, he was always going to lose to Tyson, come what may, but the way he capitulated was pathetic.

He was terrified before the bell rang & it was so surprising because he gave a peak Tyson a decent fight 7 years earlier & Bruno, despite his limitations always gave it his all & went out on his shield, but not for Tyson 2.

Roberto Duran - His defence against Sugar Ray Leonard was a joke too. After his magnificent performance to beat a peak Leonard after jumping up 2 weight classes, he quits the rematch like a stroppy teenager because he couldn't get his own way. :evil:



I think you're second pick is case closed really.

A lot of the others were maybe down the fighter being scared or poor preparation, but with this one, Duran just turned his back & quit.

How can you get worse than that?
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I’ve never been a fan of Darren Barker. The fawning boxing journalists (one in particular) at Boxing News and guys at SKY that have stroked his ego for years and his oafish fans have only exacerbated my irritation.

Ending his three and a bit months reign as world champ, after targeting the weakest title holder in the division and earning a split decision points victory, in that ignominious fashion was a disaster. But fair play to SKY for spinning the story into it being about Darren DISLOCATING his hip and retiring then about the defeat.
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Re: Worst defence by a world champion?

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frazier vs foreman 1 wasn't the best defence ever ...... as for barker i personaly don't have a problem with him going a broad to earn 1,000,000 even if he's not in top shape......very,very few british fighters have ever got a 1000,000 pay day so good luck to him..
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First one that came to mind for me was Herbie Hide vs Damon Reed. Desperate on paper and effin desperate in the ring. the ref did all he could to drag the fight out to a minute by Reed was just overmatched.

Second one for me was Carlos De Leon vs Johnny Nelson. the only time I've ever seen a 0-0 draw in boxing!!
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Re: Worst defence by a world champion?

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Gaz_73 wrote:First one that came to mind for me was Herbie Hide vs Damon Reed. Desperate on paper and effin desperate in the ring. the ref did all he could to drag the fight out to a minute by Reed was just overmatched.

Second one for me was Carlos De Leon vs Johnny Nelson. the only time I've ever seen a 0-0 draw in boxing!!
Deleon -v- Nelson is a great shout.

One couldn't & the other one wouldn't!

Terrible fight. :witzend:
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Re: Worst defence by a world champion?

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Barker was shocking . Murray if gets his head right would destroy him
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Re: Worst defence by a world champion?

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stevedoc wrote:frazier vs foreman 1 wasn't the best defence ever ...... as for barker i personaly don't have a problem with him going a broad to earn 1,000,000 even if he's not in top shape......very,very few british fighters have ever got a 1000,000 pay day so good luck to him..

Woah!!! Mentioning barker in the same breathe as Frazier on box rev are you on drugs!!!!
Listen foreman was amazing at his destructive best!!
What is sturm a glorified gate keeper!! He lost to macklin, geale & Murray!!!
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