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I meant in general people wanting to rush him COLUMBO

Caps lock. I'm impressed.

leejoorin wrote:

J-C wrote: Fair points mate. I just think it's best to judge each prospect based on whatever the plan for their development is, rather than against where others are doing.

Incidentally, the quality vs quantity debate is a good one. I think a lot of people see fighters getting matched softly and therefore assume they could jump up in class much quicker if they wanted to (and compare them with exceptions like Rigo Lomachenko and Spinks). When in fact what they actually need more experience but of better quality.

The quality/quantity argument is one that is always over-looked. Wilder and his team have certainly gone "quantity" as opposed to "quality" and I think that's why he will be found out. Lets hope Joshua doesn't go the same way.

The British champion, McDermott, was "beaten" by Tyson Fury in fight #8 and then stopped by Fury in fight #11. Price stopped him in fight #12.

I can't see why we don't think Joshua can be compared to them and McDermott is a good "quality" opponent for a top prospect.

It's strange that you get a lot of Thai's with a huge depth in quantity but no quality yet they do oddly produce some fantastic fighters. Strange how things work over there.

The Fury McDermott point is the point though. McDermott was too much of a step up for Fury after 7 fights, (I personnally had it a draw but that's a moot point) but he was a good test by his 11th fight. It's small margins but that's what matchmakers are dealing with and how difficult a job it is (done well).

To me Sexton is at least one/two fights nearer to Joshua than Sprott due to a number of factors. Doesn't stand to mean that Sexton wouldn't beat Sprott though!

In a nutshell promotors will try to polish anything they have an interest in, be it a turd or a bar of gold! They all do this, bar none. To be fair it's probably their job. What Hearn says is irrelevant. No money making machine like Joshua get's placed in 50/50 fights until serious coin can be made. However that doesn't mean he should be fed soft touches for years ala Wilder. Skelton/Harrison - Thompson was too big a jump for Price, whether you think he should have beaten him or not.

Ideally it should be like climbing stairs. Always move on to the next one, don't be a clever bugger and start missing ones out, but for Christs sake don't jump up and down on the same one all the time!

fizzjambo wrote: The Fury McDermott point is the point though. McDermott was too much of a step up for Fury after 7 fights, (I personnally had it a draw but that's a moot point) but he was a good test by his 11th fight. It's small margins but that's what matchmakers are dealing with and how difficult a job it is (done well).

To me Sexton is at least one/two fights nearer to Joshua than Sprott due to a number of factors. Doesn't stand to mean that Sexton wouldn't beat Sprott though!

In a nutshell promotors will try to polish anything they have an interest in, be it a turd or a bar of gold! They all do this, bar none. To be fair it's probably their job. What Hearn says is irrelevant. No money making machine like Joshua get's placed in 50/50 fights until serious coin can be made. However that doesn't mean he should be fed soft touches for years ala Wilder. Skelton/Harrison - Thompson was too big a jump for Price, whether you think he should have beaten him or not.

Ideally it should be like climbing stairs. Always move on to the next one, don't be a clever bugger and start missing ones out, but for Christs sake don't jump up and down on the same one all the time!

Wouldn't you then extend that point by adding that Price (who blew out McDermott inside a round in his 12th bout) was an Olympic BRONZE medal winner whilst Joshua won GOLD? And that McDermott now is "getting on" a bit, he's 34 later this month.

When Fury fought McDermott the first time Fury had an awful training camp and was a 21 year old kid.

Using the steps logic is it really that far off to suggest that McDermott could well be step #10?

Using the boxrec rankings, for what it's worth, Joshua is #14 in Britain (34 points) and McDermott is #6 (127 points). It surely wouldn't be out of the question to fight someone like Sexton in fight 6 or 7, Rogan or Towers a fight later then the other one of those two then McDermott in fight 10. Each one is a step up and each one is a manageable step. None of them is a leap up but gradual steps.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

fizzjambo wrote: The Fury McDermott point is the point though. McDermott was too much of a step up for Fury after 7 fights, (I personnally had it a draw but that's a moot point) but he was a good test by his 11th fight. It's small margins but that's what matchmakers are dealing with and how difficult a job it is (done well).

To me Sexton is at least one/two fights nearer to Joshua than Sprott due to a number of factors. Doesn't stand to mean that Sexton wouldn't beat Sprott though!

In a nutshell promotors will try to polish anything they have an interest in, be it a turd or a bar of gold! They all do this, bar none. To be fair it's probably their job. What Hearn says is irrelevant. No money making machine like Joshua get's placed in 50/50 fights until serious coin can be made. However that doesn't mean he should be fed soft touches for years ala Wilder. Skelton/Harrison - Thompson was too big a jump for Price, whether you think he should have beaten him or not.

Ideally it should be like climbing stairs. Always move on to the next one, don't be a clever bugger and start missing ones out, but for Christs sake don't jump up and down on the same one all the time!

Wouldn't you then extend that point by adding that Price (who blew out McDermott inside a round in his 12th bout) was an Olympic BRONZE medal winner whilst Joshua won GOLD? And that McDermott now is "getting on" a bit, he's 34 later this month.

When Fury fought McDermott the first time Fury had an awful training camp and was a 21 year old kid.

Using the steps logic is it really that far off to suggest that McDermott could well be step #10?

Using the boxrec rankings, for what it's worth, Joshua is #14 in Britain (34 points) and McDermott is #6 (127 points). It surely wouldn't be out of the question to fight someone like Sexton in fight 6 or 7, Rogan or Towers a fight later then the other one of those two then McDermott in fight 10. Each one is a step up and each one is a manageable step. None of them is a leap up but gradual steps.

I'd agree with all of that. Something like Towers, Rogan, Sexton, McDermott would be excellent match making for fights 7 -10 for me.

fizzjambo wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

fizzjambo wrote: The Fury McDermott point is the point though. McDermott was too much of a step up for Fury after 7 fights, (I personnally had it a draw but that's a moot point) but he was a good test by his 11th fight. It's small margins but that's what matchmakers are dealing with and how difficult a job it is (done well).

To me Sexton is at least one/two fights nearer to Joshua than Sprott due to a number of factors. Doesn't stand to mean that Sexton wouldn't beat Sprott though!

In a nutshell promotors will try to polish anything they have an interest in, be it a turd or a bar of gold! They all do this, bar none. To be fair it's probably their job. What Hearn says is irrelevant. No money making machine like Joshua get's placed in 50/50 fights until serious coin can be made. However that doesn't mean he should be fed soft touches for years ala Wilder. Skelton/Harrison - Thompson was too big a jump for Price, whether you think he should have beaten him or not.

Ideally it should be like climbing stairs. Always move on to the next one, don't be a clever bugger and start missing ones out, but for Christs sake don't jump up and down on the same one all the time!

Wouldn't you then extend that point by adding that Price (who blew out McDermott inside a round in his 12th bout) was an Olympic BRONZE medal winner whilst Joshua won GOLD? And that McDermott now is "getting on" a bit, he's 34 later this month.

When Fury fought McDermott the first time Fury had an awful training camp and was a 21 year old kid.

Using the steps logic is it really that far off to suggest that McDermott could well be step #10?

Using the boxrec rankings, for what it's worth, Joshua is #14 in Britain (34 points) and McDermott is #6 (127 points). It surely wouldn't be out of the question to fight someone like Sexton in fight 6 or 7, Rogan or Towers a fight later then the other one of those two then McDermott in fight 10. Each one is a step up and each one is a manageable step. None of them is a leap up but gradual steps.

I'd agree with all of that. Something like Towers, Rogan, Sexton, McDermott would be excellent match making for fights 7 -10 for me.

They cost money though! Why get in them when he can knock over journeyman for peanuts!

I am probably going to get flamed here...and I know Anthony Joshua is only just starting out in the pro ranks...

But except from Tyson Fury, Derek Chisora & Hughie Fury (excluding David Haye as I consider him retired) who else in the british rankings do you think could beat him even at this early stage of his career?

Yes I know that's a bold statement but i've not been impressed with anyone else and I think everyone else is on the decline or not going to move up the rankings and I see Anthony Joshua moving up the british rankings fast even though he should not rush it..

Not trying to offend, just really can't see anyone progressing past domestic level apart from the furys and chisora...

mikiesb wrote:I am probably going to get flamed here...and I know Anthony Joshua is only just starting out in the pro ranks...

But except from Tyson Fury, Derek Chisora & Hughie Fury (excluding David Haye as I consider him retired) who else in the british rankings do you think could beat him even at this early stage of his career?

Yes I know that's a bold statement but i've not been impressed with anyone else and I think everyone else is on the decline or not going to move up the rankings and I see Anthony Joshua moving up the british rankings fast even though he should not rush it..

Not trying to offend, just really can't see anyone progressing past domestic level apart from the furys and chisora...

Sexton is underrated. He competed evenly with Chisora for most of their fight and looked great years back in Prizefighter. Also, at this stage I don't think they'd risk Audley Harrison having a good day at the office. And of course, Sprott who has seen about every style there is.

polecateddy the key to my point is this : -

"I think everyone else is on the decline or not going to move up the rankings and I see Anthony Joshua moving up the british rankings fast even though he should not rush it.."..

Sam Sexton lost to David Price and is going to fight Larry Olu who he has already beat (why bother fighting someone again who you've already beat?)

Larry also didn't look all that in prizefighter..

I hope price proves me wrong and turns it around...but i don't think so.

Sprott showed his class and ring craft in the recent prizefighter but again he's not progressed really has he? he should of cracked on by now since prizefighter as it's meant to be a springboard on to bigger better things etc. - good luck to him.

Chisora and the furys are making progress onwards and upwards..

I don't want to p1ss any1 off and respect boxers big time, but the guys in front of him in the british rankings have "had their chance to shine" and are on the decline in my opinion - chisora, and the furys are getting better with each fight they take - stepping stones.

On a side note I like Lucas Browne, comes to have a fight, no messing around - and is making progress too - reminds me a bit
of Matt Skelton - would like to see him fight derek chis or tyson fury.

Sprott's punch resistance is gone. Joshua would walk through him like most of our shopworn heavyweights. He would blow out Hughie Fury now. I say stop wasting his time and push him along, so that he can be tested and actually learn something.

Sprott, Rogan, Skelton, Sexton, Hughie. They're only journeymen with names. Smash them. One round cannon fodder for a young Bruno or Lewis.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Sprott's punch resistance is gone. Joshua would walk through him like most of our shopworn heavyweights. He would blow out Hughie Fury now. I say stop wasting his time and push him along, so that he can be tested and actually learn something.

Sprott, Rogan, Skelton, Sexton, Hughie. They're only journeymen with names. Smash them. One round cannon fodder for a young Bruno or Lewis.

Unless of course Anthony has a dodgy chin. It would only take one knock-down and suddenly there would be a lot of doubters. Such is the nature of the game. I take your point, there is a lot of deadwood hanging on. Most like you say would just fall down.

Sexton or possibly Lewison would be good options for a Londsdale belt scrap for AJ.....and he could be fighting them in 3-4 fights time at this rate. Sexton is a wee bit under-rated and would give him some rounds but I would prefer to see how AJ dealt with an agressive, strong slugger like Lewison who'd throw bombs and test his nerve.