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Happy Slapper wrote:I have reservations about any fighter that is 32-0 having never fought a top ten guy. Both promoters have held him back - they must know something.

To be honest, I'm not interested in watching him until he fights a genuine contender.

jeej wrote:Yeah, in fairness to Khan, only mere weeks ago he thought he was going to be fighting the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world, so agreeing to instead fight Kell Brook is a mighty harsh step down from that. If he were to lose to Kell Brook, then there's no way he'd be fighting Mayweather any time soon.

G0mez wrote:

jeej wrote:Yeah, in fairness to Khan, only mere weeks ago he thought he was going to be fighting the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world, so agreeing to instead fight Kell Brook is a mighty harsh step down from that. If he were to lose to Kell Brook, then there's no way he'd be fighting Mayweather any time soon.

I hear what people are saying, but losing to Lamont Peterson, Danny Garcia and getting past Diaz by the skin of his teeth didn't stop him getting 'considered' for a shot either, did it?

This will all probably be rendered redundant now he is fighting Luis Collazo.

I cannot see how Khan will beat him.

big lennox wrote:

G0mez wrote:

jeej wrote:Yeah, in fairness to Khan, only mere weeks ago he thought he was going to be fighting the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world, so agreeing to instead fight Kell Brook is a mighty harsh step down from that. If he were to lose to Kell Brook, then there's no way he'd be fighting Mayweather any time soon.

I hear what people are saying, but losing to Lamont Peterson, Danny Garcia and getting past Diaz by the skin of his teeth didn't stop him getting 'considered' for a shot either, did it?

This will all probably be rendered redundant now he is fighting Luis Collazo.

I cannot see how Khan will beat him.

I can't either. He is a big, strong welterweight and Khan was all over the place every time he got hit by Diaz, and I can see Collazo walking him down and drilling him in the same fashion as Garcia.

I was thinking about this the other day, and if I was a family member watching Froch box I would be quite relaxed (as relaxed as one can be watching someone you love box at world level) because I know his chin is one of the best I have ever seen, but if I was a Khan family member it would be heart in mouth stuff everytime. He is very vulnerable in the chin department. This to me, is a terrible match up. Collazo must be delighted. All his christmasses have come at once.

palooka wrote:Since Collazo was jobbed by the judges in the Ricky Hatton bout (8 years ago!) he has had 12 fights; he has lost 3 of those by unaminous decision and stopped 6 men. The fight before Ortiz he boxed a man called Alan Sanchez (12-2-1) and won on points over 10. The Ortiz blowout is a very good result but it may flatter to deceive; Collazo has not been so active and BoxRec have him ranked number 21 welterweight; Malignaggi is number 11 welter. I can imagine Amir is more than confident of getting a good result.

G0mez wrote:

palooka wrote:Since Collazo was jobbed by the judges in the Ricky Hatton bout (8 years ago!) he has had 12 fights; he has lost 3 of those by unaminous decision and stopped 6 men. The fight before Ortiz he boxed a man called Alan Sanchez (12-2-1) and won on points over 10. The Ortiz blowout is a very good result but it may flatter to deceive; Collazo has not been so active and BoxRec have him ranked number 21 welterweight; Malignaggi is number 11 welter. I can imagine Amir is more than confident of getting a good result.

Collazo labours when it's a Wednesday Broadway fight - but stick him in a real fight and he comes up with the goods. He was jobbed royally against Berto who was at the top of his roid game.

Khan's chin is so flaky and they are reluctant to pay decent money for sparring partners, will see him come unstuck in spectacular fashion.

At 5'9 Collazo has fought even at light middle and comes in about 160+ on the night.

Ezzard wrote:Amir can win. He just needs to be cuter.

There is often a drop off in speed after round 3 for Amir. I'd like to see him relax a little more and save some of those bursts so he stretched that 3 rounds to 5...

I think if he can find some defensive footwork and tuck in the chin he can have a reign at the top. And I hope that he does too. He's a very exciting fighter who has taken on many top challenges.

G0mez wrote:

jeej wrote:Yeah, in fairness to Khan, only mere weeks ago he thought he was going to be fighting the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world, so agreeing to instead fight Kell Brook is a mighty harsh step down from that. If he were to lose to Kell Brook, then there's no way he'd be fighting Mayweather any time soon.

I hear what people are saying, but losing to Lamont Peterson, Danny Garcia and getting past Diaz by the skin of his teeth didn't stop him getting 'considered' for a shot either, did it?

This will all probably be rendered redundant now he is fighting Luis Collazo.

I cannot see how Khan will beat him.

big lennox wrote:

G0mez wrote:

jeej wrote:Yeah, in fairness to Khan, only mere weeks ago he thought he was going to be fighting the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world, so agreeing to instead fight Kell Brook is a mighty harsh step down from that. If he were to lose to Kell Brook, then there's no way he'd be fighting Mayweather any time soon.

I hear what people are saying, but losing to Lamont Peterson, Danny Garcia and getting past Diaz by the skin of his teeth didn't stop him getting 'considered' for a shot either, did it?

This will all probably be rendered redundant now he is fighting Luis Collazo.

I cannot see how Khan will beat him.

I can't. He is a big, strong welterweight and Khan was all over the place every time he got hit by Diaz, and I can see Collazo walking him down and drilling him in the same fashion as Garcia.

I was thinking about this the other day, and if I was a family member watching Froch box I would be quite relaxed (as relaxed as one can be watching someone you love box at world level) because I know his chin is one of the best I have ever seen, but if I was a Khan family member it would be heart in mouth stuff everytime. He is very vulnerable in the chin department. This to me, is a terrible match up. Collazo must be delighted. All his christmasses have come at once.

BAP1 wrote:Sorry guys just got to say it how it how it is Kell Brook is a hype job! He hasn't done anything yet to suggest he is world class.

He needs to stop fighting at 147lb and move up to 154lb as it's effecting his chin and stamina.

Mark my words stylistically if he fights Porter that would be the worse thing for him. I've said on this forum numerous times Kell can not fight inside. And is most comfortable on the outside Porter would absolutely Maul him!

Teddy's Toupee wrote:

palooka wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I think Brook can go as far as middleweight. Easily.

I think you've at least half a point there mickey. Brook looks really good when he's on form; I think it's hard for him to get to the weight and maybe a fair bit of a camp is just to get the excess off. I think Bundu would be a good test and a very good scalp; I think Thurman is a very dangerous fight for Brook and Porter was a very good amateur, is undefeated and took his chance with both hands - I think he'll take some beating and I agree with some other posters that it is presumptious to expect world champions over here to defend against our favourites (in their hometowns); some of the decisions lately may have made it a touch easier to refuse.

Brook found his level in the first Carson fight. If he finds it hard to make welterweight to the extent that it affects his ability to prepare properly for fights he should move up to light-middleweight. Brook never wins a world title.

palooka wrote:
So the spirit of Lloyd Honeyghan lives on?

jeej wrote:Well done to Kell for winning, but I thought the fight was a total stinker.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

palooka wrote:
So the spirit of Lloyd Honeyghan lives on?

It does today pal.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

BAP1 wrote:Sorry guys just got to say it how it how it is Kell Brook is a hype job! He hasn't done anything yet to suggest he is world class.

He needs to stop fighting at 147lb and move up to 154lb as it's effecting his chin and stamina.

Mark my words stylistically if he fights Porter that would be the worse thing for him. I've said on this forum numerous times Kell can not fight inside. And is most comfortable on the outside Porter would absolutely Maul him!

Mark my words.

jeej wrote:Well done to Kell for winning, but I thought the fight was a total stinker. One thing that was particularly unimpressive was Kell's inability to judge space and timing when pursuing Porter. He'd catch Porter with a good combo that sent him back, and then jump straight onto Porter's chest, which nullified the attack - felt like he was misjudging the space between them. Given Kell was rangy in comparison, he should have judged the distance better and followed up with combos from the middle distance.

All I know from this fight is that Kell can do enough to grind a win out of a fight. I have no idea where this puts him now with regards to how far he can go. He got the belt, which is a big achievement, obviously, but I dunno.

Also, regards Porter's attacks, was it a case of; 1. Kell's hard as nails, 2. Porter's punches are weak, or 3. Porter's punches just weren't connecting?