Re: The Larry Holmes' Heavyweight Era: 1978-85
Posted: 03 Apr 2014, 11:27
The only Klitschko fights that I'd call good were Wlad/Brewster 1 & Vitali/Lewis. Vitali/Chisora wasn't bad, that makes it a good fight for him.
drunkenpiper36 wrote:That's nice.
Just wanted to see what you possibly come up with. I don't think there has been a good heavyweight fight since Lennox Lewis. If you think these were good fights, then there is no wonder that we disagree so much on this.Ezzard wrote:Okay... If you're asking me because you're hoping to ascertain what I define as a good fight then fair enough...
I'd add...
The Klitschko defeats were all good fights.
Maskaev-Rahman
Liakhovic-Brewster
Thompson-Price II
Wlad-Peter
Adamek-Arreola
Helenius-Chisora
Banks-Mitchell
drunkenpiper36 wrote:Brewster vs Meehan - Fun fight to watch. Not much skill involved but a lot of big punches exchanged
Sanders vs Vitali - Another entertaining bout with some dramatic moments
Wlad vs Peter I - Not bad either.
Peter vs Maskaev - Big shots exchanged early on.
As expected. I suppose we went through the motions thoughAmbling Alp II wrote:Just wanted to see what you possibly come up with. I don't think there has been a good heavyweight fight since Lennox Lewis. If you think these were good fights, then there is no wonder that we disagree so much on this.Ezzard wrote:Okay... If you're asking me because you're hoping to ascertain what I define as a good fight then fair enough...
I'd add...
The Klitschko defeats were all good fights.
Maskaev-Rahman
Liakhovic-Brewster
Thompson-Price II
Wlad-Peter
Adamek-Arreola
Helenius-Chisora
Banks-Mitchell
But, Drunk, Dokes still couldn't hit after that bigger build, he struggled with a lot of top fighters at that time. Always will respect Michael's stand during his comeback, but wasn't quite the same fighter that he was in his prime.drunkenpiper36 wrote:I disagree with that Nile. Dokes was reincarnated version of himself in the late 80's.. The early 80's Dokes was more of a boxer while the later version set down on his punches. He was working under different management, fighting with a different style and bigger build, plus drug free for the first time in years... 1982 Dokes wasn't the right model to beat Holyfield.
Nile4000 wrote:But, Drunk, Dokes still couldn't hit after that bigger build, he struggled with a lot of top fighters at that time. Always will respect Michael's stand during his comeback, but wasn't quite the same fighter that he was in his prime.drunkenpiper36 wrote:I disagree with that Nile. Dokes was reincarnated version of himself in the late 80's.. The early 80's Dokes was more of a boxer while the later version set down on his punches. He was working under different management, fighting with a different style and bigger build, plus drug free for the first time in years... 1982 Dokes wasn't the right model to beat Holyfield.
Don't know, the prime versions of Page, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tillis, and Dokes would have given Holyfield fits to the minimum.And Tate would've just outboxed him.drunkenpiper36 wrote:Nile4000 wrote:But, Drunk, Dokes still couldn't hit after that bigger build, he struggled with a lot of top fighters at that time. Always will respect Michael's stand during his comeback, but wasn't quite the same fighter that he was in his prime.drunkenpiper36 wrote:I disagree with that Nile. Dokes was reincarnated version of himself in the late 80's.. The early 80's Dokes was more of a boxer while the later version set down on his punches. He was working under different management, fighting with a different style and bigger build, plus drug free for the first time in years... 1982 Dokes wasn't the right model to beat Holyfield.
Dokes hit pretty hard from 1987 - 1990. His power took a dive from about 92' onward and he was once again using drugs. But a few years in the late 80's he was on a roll. Early 80's Dokes struggled with Ocasio, Cobb, Weaver and got KO"d by Coetzee. Doesnt' tell the whole story I know, but I don't see this version of Dokes BEATING the real deal.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.Nile4000 wrote:Holyfield was lucky to come into the division at the right time.If he had come into the heavies 1981-1983, he would've had his ass handed to him.![]()