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I have to admit though - to be called a bitch is so funny I've been in stitches ever since I read it. Thank you for brightening my day Mexicooooooo

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

mexicooo wrote:Hes the mandtory?... i forgot that in the UK you can beat on 30 odd chumps and creep your way up the rankings.....mandatory...bitch please olusugen was mandatory for about 4 years when that 140lbs title was being passed around, boxing is a business. The differencelb between olusgen and kell is, olusguen actually deserved a shot. In the 147lbs division....who actually cares about kell brook. Man is not even a legit top 15 47lber, which is why he should WAIT HIS TURN, because he has done NOTHING to warrant a fight for any version of a world title. BESIDES....hes getting fucked up by porter in his hometown.....so this pointless discussion about purse bids is irrevelvant. We might as well talk about the purse bids of fonfora vs stevenson while were at it. Parsons -cross.....(you must be pushing 60 with a name like that)......youve travelled to gyms where exactly? dont mention around this country, theres not one world class one amongst it....and if ur still 'useless' as you put it, then you obviously dont pick much up, much like forrest gump in a math class :)

Here's The Ring's welterweight rankings: (I don't think it's a UK magazine)

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/welterweight

I couldn't manage to find Olusegen on their ratings.

Brook looks way out of place on that list. To feature on it for 156 weeks and still to have fought nobody of note is extraordinary, quite an achievement.

I prefer to stick to facts rather than your hyper inflated view of yourself.
Brook is mandatory.
Get over it.

Mexicoooo has some good points about Brook, but he brings the heat in a fairlly combative manner.

Porter stretches Brook out for me based on what I`ve seen so far. Brook has not fought at a high enough level yet for us to know what he has. All we can go on is what we have seen and what i saw in teh first fight against Jones was not good enough.

He has improved since then it seems, but still some way short of what we could call World class opposition.

It is a tough division. He is mandatory though but time will tell if he fights Porter or not. Just not sure I can see him toughing it out with the likes of Porter, Bradley, thurman or Maidana.

Hope he does it, but have some serious doubts. I used to think he was set to go all the way and dominate, but it is such a tough division and he seems to be treading water for years now.

Mexicooo does have decent points and we'll soon see if Brook can hang at the high levels; I don't see how insulting someone who has a different view of it is anything but silly.

mexicooo wrote:

Parson Cross wrote:Mexicoooooooooooo
I'm 57 not a bad guess.
I've worked in and around boxing since 1979. I've been lucky enough to travel the world through my job meet great people and see all aspects of the sport I love.
I'm not going down the quote line because the people I know many of whom visit this place know that's not my style.
Palooka is correct. I am an avid supporter of all of the lads in Sheffield. I don't care about their gym allegiances - I regard all the people in boxing in Sheffield on the same level.
Forget the names forget the allegiances and just stick to facts.
This is the IBF we are talking about.
Following an investigation by the FBI into allegations of back handers to secure rankings etc they are absolutely paranoid about sticking to their rules.
They won't budge - ask McDonnell for example.
The fight contract between Paulie and Shawn had the same clause in it. The fight between them could not take place unless the winner guarenteed to fight Brook within 90 days - which expires on 19/7. You can argue on and on about whether Brook has earned the right and I'll argue all day every day about it.
He's the mandatory.
The 90 day rule applies.
Porter v Brook by 19/7 or Porter will be stripped.
Stop talking to me as though you know the score - you know nothing.

I know nothing....lol 57 years and working in the sport since 1979....someone hasn't learnt too much. What is it with this 'respect' stuff. My point old man, was that brook is a protected fighter, who hasn't fought anyone to warrant a shot at the title.....naturally u cant even defend that. I don't care about the purse bids im simply stating a fact, that he is not deserved of a title shot. And to the idiot that spoke about olusgen, I said he was in line...as in past tense, I don't see mike Tyson in the top10 heavyweights out there....im simply saying at the time he was. Im not to keen on the politics or kissing each others butts on here, but don't say I know nothing....you don't know me, and anyone who knows nothing doesn't talk about fighters etc in the posts ive been mentioning, so fall back old man. All that time in the sport and you all you know is politics....embarrassing like most of the uk boxing fraternity....and no im not on any kind of 'wind up'. Sheffield has spawned one world class fighter and that's it...and even naz professes most people around the sport know nothing over here

Not too sure about that. I would say Herol Graham was world class, also Clinton Woods, and possibly Jonny Nelson. Paul Jones wasnt too bad and Brian Anderson could fight when he wanted to. So not too bad when you think at any one time there are probably less than 30 pros in Sheffield. I think you might find there are more pros in New York state than the whole of the uk, so it stands to reason the talent pool is much higher, so I think we do ok here given the numbers involved.

I also think many prospects are protected, I dont think it is a purely a UK phenomenon, especially since the multi title situation. The money is in the states so it is natural many fighters from all over the world go there to train, I am not sure the trainers are any better, just a much bigger talent pool to work with. If you go to the wild card you may get to spar with Pacquiao and train with him which is bound to bring you on both as a trainer and as a competitor.

I do think Porter is probably going to beat Brook, given the fight is likely to take place in the states and I think Brook struggles at the weight, but if you talk about protecting fighters it has only been this year that Porter has beaten anyone of note, and if you look at Thurmans record the same could be said of him.

Mexicooo is clearly on a wind up fishing trip imo.

mexicooo wrote:

Parson Cross wrote:I prefer to stick to facts rather than your hyper inflated view of yourself.
Brook is mandatory.
Get over it.

mandatory or not hes going to sleep. Hes too basic, doesn't feint, easy to hit, throws single shots, or maximum of 3, his stamina is questionable...if he thought carson jones brought pressure, he will get the new definition of it against porter....that was my ENTIRE point, hes getting beat down.... not the careful 'postioning' of him into a shot for a version of the title.

Have you ever seen brook in the flesh ? He is a very good fighter, Single shots ? he puts combo's together very well, if you ask me, his jab will win him fights alone, my fighter was paid to spar him regular, he is no bum and has a lot of talent, pound for pound the best in this country at present, I do agree that he needs better opponents, maybe they won't fight him.

I'll never understand what there is to gain by going out of your way to be a total cock.

I just crave attention.

Regarding the IBF enforcing their mandatories though, didnt Adonis Stevenson get jobbed when he was in the running to fight Froch?

mexicooo wrote:Hes the mandtory?... i forgot that in the UK you can beat on 30 odd chumps and creep your way up the rankings.....mandatory...bitch please olusugen was mandatory for about 4 years when that 140lbs title was being passed around, boxing is a business. The differencelb between olusgen and kell is, olusguen actually deserved a shot. In the 147lbs division....who actually cares about kell brook. Man is not even a legit top 15 47lber, which is why he should WAIT HIS TURN, because he has done NOTHING to warrant a fight for any version of a world title. BESIDES....hes getting fucked up by porter in his hometown.....so this pointless discussion about purse bids is irrevelvant. We might as well talk about the purse bids of fonfora vs stevenson while were at it. Parsons -cross.....(you must be pushing 60 with a name like that)......youve travelled to gyms where exactly? dont mention around this country, theres not one world class one amongst it....and if ur still 'useless' as you put it, then you obviously dont pick much up, much like forrest gump in a math class :)

Mexicooo without wanting to debate your poorly argued and dreadfully written fishing posts.
I feel I must raise the point that your grammar, spelling and punctuation is appalling old boy.
I'm being pedantic I know but it's awfully poor show not only to spout nonsense but to do so in such a slovenly fashion.
Your basic level of understanding is not restricted to reading and writing. It also appears that geography and boxing seem an overstretch for your intellect.
Mandatory not mandtory it has a capital in this case as it starts a sentence is mandatory if you are the mandatory you are next in line to fight for the title, Do you follow? I'll repeat it if necessary when you beat all those who are put in the opposite corner from you in what's termed an eliminator you become the mandatory challenger. Kell Brook is that man and your man must fight or be stripped and that's it.
No amount of trolling will alter those facts, your opinion is noted thanks for posting I think it best we wait and see.
Or failing that PM ALI you can both slag off our country and it's shit gyms just remember who's language your communicating in and at least show it some respect.


Parson cross without an s is an area of Sheffield.

forcefraser wrote:Mexicoooo has some good points about Brook, but he brings the heat in a fairlly combative manner.

Porter stretches Brook out for me based on what I`ve seen so far. Brook has not fought at a high enough level yet for us to know what he has. All we can go on is what we have seen and what i saw in teh first fight against Jones was not good enough.

He has improved since then it seems, but still some way short of what we could call World class opposition.

It is a tough division. He is mandatory though but time will tell if he fights Porter or not. Just not sure I can see him toughing it out with the likes of Porter, Bradley, thurman or Maidana.

Hope he does it, but have some serious doubts. I used to think he was set to go all the way and dominate, but it is such a tough division and he seems to be treading water for years now.

Hard to argue with the majority of that though as you said he has improved and we have not seen him tested.
Really wish we could all just leave it till we find out whatagwan.
Its very dull and even gobby muppets who could easily be annihilated don't even seem worth the effort no one knows for sure not even Brook himself how he will handle it.

TJ77 wrote:

forcefraser wrote:Mexicoooo has some good points about Brook, but he brings the heat in a fairlly combative manner.

Porter stretches Brook out for me based on what I`ve seen so far. Brook has not fought at a high enough level yet for us to know what he has. All we can go on is what we have seen and what i saw in teh first fight against Jones was not good enough.

He has improved since then it seems, but still some way short of what we could call World class opposition.

It is a tough division. He is mandatory though but time will tell if he fights Porter or not. Just not sure I can see him toughing it out with the likes of Porter, Bradley, thurman or Maidana.

Hope he does it, but have some serious doubts. I used to think he was set to go all the way and dominate, but it is such a tough division and he seems to be treading water for years now.

Hard to argue with the majority of that though as you said he has improved and we have not seen him tested.
Really wish we could all just leave it till we find out whatagwan.
Its very dull and even gobby muppets who could easily be annihilated don't even seem worth the effort no one knows for sure not even Brook himself how he will handle it.

Not me for once lol

No mate for once ;;-)

Haha.

TJ77 wrote:

forcefraser wrote:Mexicoooo has some good points about Brook, but he brings the heat in a fairlly combative manner.

Porter stretches Brook out for me based on what I`ve seen so far. Brook has not fought at a high enough level yet for us to know what he has. All we can go on is what we have seen and what i saw in teh first fight against Jones was not good enough.

He has improved since then it seems, but still some way short of what we could call World class opposition.

It is a tough division. He is mandatory though but time will tell if he fights Porter or not. Just not sure I can see him toughing it out with the likes of Porter, Bradley, thurman or Maidana.

Hope he does it, but have some serious doubts. I used to think he was set to go all the way and dominate, but it is such a tough division and he seems to be treading water for years now.

Hard to argue with the majority of that though as you said he has improved and we have not seen him tested.
Really wish we could all just leave it till we find out whatagwan.
Its very dull and even gobby muppets who could easily be annihilated don't even seem worth the effort no one knows for sure not even Brook himself how he will handle it.

Shut it bitch

mexicooo wrote:

Parson Cross wrote:I prefer to stick to facts rather than your hyper inflated view of yourself.
Brook is mandatory.
Get over it.

mandatory or not hes going to sleep. Hes too basic, doesn't feint, easy to hit, throws single shots, or maximum of 3, his stamina is questionable...if he thought carson jones brought pressure, he will get the new definition of it against porter....that was my ENTIRE point, hes getting beat down.... not the careful 'postioning' of him into a shot for a version of the title.

Speaking of definition - who is Porter's conditioner? His physique reminds me of Juan Manuel Marquez.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

mexicooo wrote:

Parson Cross wrote:I prefer to stick to facts rather than your hyper inflated view of yourself.
Brook is mandatory.
Get over it.

mandatory or not hes going to sleep. Hes too basic, doesn't feint, easy to hit, throws single shots, or maximum of 3, his stamina is questionable...if he thought carson jones brought pressure, he will get the new definition of it against porter....that was my ENTIRE point, hes getting beat down.... not the careful 'postioning' of him into a shot for a version of the title.

Speaking of definition - who is Porter's conditioner? His physique reminds me of Juan Manuel Marquez.

That's a bit low mate. Kell is not exactly a small, tub or lard welterweight himself.

I think kel beats porter if its in Britain but if if does happen u bet it will be in the USA.but its as though kels been waiting around for years for his title shot.

columbo wrote: That's a bit low mate.

Would it be a fair if his conditioner had served time for distributing steroids?

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

columbo wrote: That's a bit low mate.

Would it be a fair if his conditioner had served time for distributing steroids?

The pertinent part is 'served time', if he's been caught in the wrong and punished does he have to go under the cloud of suspicion the rest of his days?

There are many trainers who have had more than a passing interest in steroids and nothing has been said. If the fighter is giving specimens that are steroid free the past should remain in the past. There was talk of a 'dirty sample' from Porter a while ago, has anything concrete come of it?

Mexicooo is clearly on a wind up fishing trip imo.[/quote]

herol graham was akward.....he fought some world class men, but didn't beat them....like carlos maussa....who isn't world class despite being a world champion.....Clinton woods?...I like Clinton....but world class...maybe fringe at best...johnny nelson could actually be the best of the three u mentioned.

forget the money...uk has some of the richest promoters out there....laziest too....in what other country is being a 'personal ticket seller' (aka having lots of friends or acquintances) an actually attribute. Look at countries like mexico, phillipines, etc...all of which produce fighters better than the UK.

porter has beat malignaggi, alexander et al...no one of note? - Alexander is one of the best pure boxers on the planet..... clearly u are a retard! Not only that Julio diaz and alfonso gomez >>>>> ANYONE kell has ever fought!

And your seriously going to go there with Thurman?....Quintana, soto karass, etc......

You are clearly high, or have no idea about what levels fighters are on, most (not all) Uk fighters suck for a reason....and Kell has fought absolutely no one....matter of fact if he fought soto karass, he would go to sleep....man had a life and death fight with carson jones lol!

im not on here to wind anyone up, or be polite, I go on here to put my views across, see what other people say, and kill some time in my lunch hour....and nothing I have put on here, including this post is intended to do anything but point facts out.[/quote]

I imagine that Brook would love it if Porter and his camp prepared for the Kell Brook that boxed Jones.

Herol Graham was world class for years and got messed around no end, he didn't get a shot till past his peak and gave the great Mike McCallum a real argument. Woods developed into world class and beat some men who were supposed to punch holes in him.

There's no need for the insults; no one here is 'retarded'.

Countries like Mexico, the Phillipines and the USA have populations of 100's of millions and have grinding poverty. The UK is a small relatively affluent country and boxing is a minority sport and interest - the countries culture and sports popularity obviously sways the promotional angle.

Herol beat:

Kalule
Johnson
Pazienza

(all highly rated)
and was robbed in the 2nd Kalambay bout and lost by a one point deduction v McCallum..



Clinton beat:

Davis
Johnson (won, lost and drew him)
DeLisle (twice)
Hoye
Gonzales (twice)
Muriqi

mexicooo wrote:I imagine that Brook would love it if Porter and his camp prepared for the Kell Brook that boxed Jones.

Herol Graham was world class for years and got messed around no end, he didn't get a shot till past his peak and gave the great Mike McCallum a real argument. Woods developed into world class and beat some men who were supposed to punch holes in him.

There's no need for the insults; no one here is 'retarded'.

Countries like Mexico, the Phillipines and the USA have populations of 100's of millions and have grinding poverty. The UK is a small relatively affluent country and boxing is a minority sport and interest - the countries culture and sports popularity obviously sways the promotional angle.

no they would love it if they prepared for the kell that fought....erm....hold on......erm....koty ......my point exactly

herol graham never beat one man that was world class...who did Clinton beat that was world class?

It works both ways....the uk has the funds to educate, etc.....but the majority of trainers through to fighters don't really know too much about the sport at the top end....like they do in these other countries.... I mean tell me one fighter from mexico to the phillipines that would select Gallagher as their trainer for example. obviously people like tibbs, and booth, are the exception....maybe even lee beard

as I say brook will prove the old saying ' you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not everyone all of the time' true....he fights porter anywhere, he gets exposed, and the 1000's of bandwagon jumpers will suddenly jump off, and say they 'knew it all along'[/quote]


I don't think Brook has 1000's on his bandwagon, there are people on here that know him personally and are close the gym he trains at. Many are agnostic about Kell and/or frustrated with the long winded approach to the title. When he is on form he is very good and if the prospect of a world title doesn't fire him up then nothing will. Porter won't have it his own way and Brook hits harder that Devon or Paulie, he'll not be able to just walk in.

Anyway...back to planet earth....

I think if Brook gets the shot here and has sorted his weight out he has a good chance of beating Porter who looks very strong but hittable and straight forward. Be interesting to see how he copes with Brooks jab.

If the fight goes to the states, clearly the odds shift significantly towards Porter, and I think this will be reflected in the betting odds where I think it will be worth sticking a few quid on Kell as he has trhe power to pull of an upset.