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You don't have to buy Sky either. In this day and age you can pick and choose what you watch without much hassle and with very little expense.

Baboon wrote:

Gazmac81 wrote:I know the old phrase if you dont like it dont buy it comes into Play
but for a fight like this you would expect to get it on your sky sports subscitption

Aye, you've nailed it Gaz. It's not about don't like it dont buy it in this case. I'm already 'buying' it by paying a healthy fvcking sub to Sky to see some quality boxing. However what I get is a pile of left hand of the card wins and Scott Quigg 'World' title fights. Now I'm expected to fork out extra for a fight between two guys who couldn't cut it at light heavy in a reasonably parallel way so as to justify a rematch that few outside of the Bellew camp were calling for in the first place.

This isn't about jumping on Bandwagons. The reason there is a 'bandwagon' is that this is such an obvious rip off that damn near everyone agrees - it's merely common sense to think this is out of order.

Hearn is now just rolling out the same old pish that comes with an exclusive contract with Sky. No amount of Ringside can build this up into a fight that really matters. Neither fighter is at world level at Cruiser, neither fighter will be after the fight, so why the fvck as a boxing fan should I have to pay extra beyond the extra I already pay to see what is little more than a evenly matched decent domestic fight, which will likely go down a very similar route to the first one unless Kovalev really has left Cleverly as damaged goods.

Rant over.

That's a good post

BillyTKid wrote:

righthook wrote:Can't believe all the negativity about the ppv

People just jumping on the band wagon half the time!

Eddie hasn't even announced half the card yet and everyone's moaning. At least hear the full card and then have a go,

It's simple if u don't want to pay for it then just don't order it. The undercard could b amazing for all we know at least give it a chance to b announced

Its not as simple as don't like it don't buy it. Surely my paying £60 a month to sky is already buying it. I basically subscribe to skysports for football and boxing, when a big football match comes up I don't get an e-mail telling me it has been made box office and its and extra £20.

No your measly £60 a month doesn't pay for a stacked boxing show less than £1 of your £60 a month hoes toward boxing so the answer is NO it doesn't already pay for it.

You people live in a fantasy world seriously!!!!!!! Everyone on this site is obviously a big boxing fan and u should know better than anyone that if big fights/big cards are to be made then the peanuts sky pay for boxing isn't enough to make the fights

I see a few on here as well saying oh what next we pay for football pay per view? NO football is worth billions in this country people pay ridiculous amounts of money to watch there team week in week out and sponsors pay millions to the football clubs so there is no need to make it ppv .

Let me point this out one more time for the people who are a little slow! When a big fight gets made and like on this occasion there is allot of stars on the undercard the £100,000 sky give for a show doesn't even pay one fighters purse!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is obviously the ticket money as well but again let's use the echo arena as an example it holds 10,000 so let's say with a sell out it makes half a million plus the £100.000, from sky, then a few sponsors for the show. Let's say it adds up to roughly 750,000 does anyone really believe that is enough to pay bellew,cleverly,Joshua,the smiths,degale,quigg, all their opponents, not to mention the other fighters not yet named on the bill, then we have the security the police, the hiring of the arena, tax to pay.
Does anyone think there is enough to make that show without box office???????

It's simple if u don't like it don't buy it!
But then don't moan saying no big fights are getting made.

I wouldn't even mind if some people where actually poor and couldn't afford it but I can guarantee most people spend that on a take away or a few pints,

righthook wrote:

BillyTKid wrote:

righthook wrote:Can't believe all the negativity about the ppv

People just jumping on the band wagon half the time!

Eddie hasn't even announced half the card yet and everyone's moaning. At least hear the full card and then have a go,

It's simple if u don't want to pay for it then just don't order it. The undercard could b amazing for all we know at least give it a chance to b announced

Its not as simple as don't like it don't buy it. Surely my paying £60 a month to sky is already buying it. I basically subscribe to skysports for football and boxing, when a big football match comes up I don't get an e-mail telling me it has been made box office and its and extra £20.

No your measly £60 a month doesn't pay for a stacked boxing show less than £1 of your £60 a month hoes toward boxing so the answer is NO it doesn't already pay for it.

You people live in a fantasy world seriously!!!!!!! Everyone on this site is obviously a big boxing fan and u should know better than anyone that if big fights/big cards are to be made then the peanuts sky pay for boxing isn't enough to make the fights

I see a few on here as well saying oh what next we pay for football pay per view? NO football is worth billions in this country people pay ridiculous amounts of money to watch there team week in week out and sponsors pay millions to the football clubs so there is no need to make it ppv .

Let me point this out one more time for the people who are a little slow! When a big fight gets made and like on this occasion there is allot of stars on the undercard the £100,000 sky give for a show doesn't even pay one fighters purse!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is obviously the ticket money as well but again let's use the echo arena as an example it holds 10,000 so let's say with a sell out it makes half a million plus the £100.000, from sky, then a few sponsors for the show. Let's say it adds up to roughly 750,000 does anyone really believe that is enough to pay bellew,cleverly,Joshua,the smiths,degale,quigg, all their opponents, not to mention the other fighters not yet named on the bill, then we have the security the police, the hiring of the arena, tax to pay.
Does anyone think there is enough to make that show without box office???????

It's simple if u don't like it don't buy it!
But then don't moan saying no big fights are getting made.

I wouldn't even mind if some people where actually poor and couldn't afford it but I can guarantee most people spend that on a take away or a few pints,

Cant believe you're defending it matr.

righthook wrote:

BillyTKid wrote:

righthook wrote:Can't believe all the negativity about the ppv

People just jumping on the band wagon half the time!

Eddie hasn't even announced half the card yet and everyone's moaning. At least hear the full card and then have a go,

It's simple if u don't want to pay for it then just don't order it. The undercard could b amazing for all we know at least give it a chance to b announced

Its not as simple as don't like it don't buy it. Surely my paying £60 a month to sky is already buying it. I basically subscribe to skysports for football and boxing, when a big football match comes up I don't get an e-mail telling me it has been made box office and its and extra £20.

No your measly £60 a month doesn't pay for a stacked boxing show less than £1 of your £60 a month hoes toward boxing so the answer is NO it doesn't already pay for it.

You people live in a fantasy world seriously!!!!!!! Everyone on this site is obviously a big boxing fan and u should know better than anyone that if big fights/big cards are to be made then the peanuts sky pay for boxing isn't enough to make the fights

I see a few on here as well saying oh what next we pay for football pay per view? NO football is worth billions in this country people pay ridiculous amounts of money to watch there team week in week out and sponsors pay millions to the football clubs so there is no need to make it ppv .

Let me point this out one more time for the people who are a little slow! When a big fight gets made and like on this occasion there is allot of stars on the undercard the £100,000 sky give for a show doesn't even pay one fighters purse!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is obviously the ticket money as well but again let's use the echo arena as an example it holds 10,000 so let's say with a sell out it makes half a million plus the £100.000, from sky, then a few sponsors for the show. Let's say it adds up to roughly 750,000 does anyone really believe that is enough to pay bellew,cleverly,Joshua,the smiths,degale,quigg, all their opponents, not to mention the other fighters not yet named on the bill, then we have the security the police, the hiring of the arena, tax to pay.
Does anyone think there is enough to make that show without box office???????

It's simple if u don't like it don't buy it!
But then don't moan saying no big fights are getting made.

I wouldn't even mind if some people where actually poor and couldn't afford it but I can guarantee most people spend that on a take away or a few pints,

Ok Eddie, thanks for that pal..now,back in the real world...

Defending what tho????????

If I had my way it would be free and so would clothes food beer woman and so on but the fact of the matter is the fights people want to see can't be made without big money and the only way u get big money is with box office.

Everything I have said is a fact! U may not like what I'm saying But it's true.

People saying oh thanks for that Eddie, Jesus all I'm doing is pointing out the very obvious. How can u have a go at me when I'm telling u the reason it's ppv ???

In America they have ppv for everything boxing wrestling UFC all sorts and they charge $80+ so for £15 I don't think it's too bad. Of course I would like it for free, I would also like sky for free too but I have to pay for that.

All these people that constantly moan why don't u please tell us how to make these fights without the ppv money?????

righthook wrote:In America they have ppv for everything boxing wrestling UFC all sorts and they charge $80+ so for £15 I don't think it's too bad. Of course I would like it for free, I would also like sky for free too but I have to pay for that.

All these people that constantly moan why don't u please tell us how to make these fights without the ppv money?????

Cleverly v bellow can easily be made without ppv just like anyother domestic level fight. If froch vs bute wasent ppv then neither should this.

righthook wrote:In America they have ppv for everything boxing wrestling UFC all sorts and they charge $80+ so for £15 I don't think it's too bad. Of course I would like it for free, I would also like sky for free too but I have to pay for that.

All these people that constantly moan why don't u please tell us how to make these fights without the ppv money?????

Right...whilst in Japan they have the best fights in terrestrial TV, including things like the upcoming Yamanaka Vs Suriyan and Ao Vs Salgado show, or the recent Yaegashi Vs Gonzalez / Inoue Vs Samartlek and Murata show...I wonder why the sport is growing in Japan and they are about to have a Golden generation lead by the Inoue brothers, Kosei Tanaka et al whilst boxing in the US is needing to import interesting fighters and boxing in the UK struggles to attract mainstream interest.

Fights deserve to get paid, of course they do, though maybe the ones nearer to the top need to take a paycut in the short term to help them in the long run

Boxing Prospect wrote:

righthook wrote:In America they have ppv for everything boxing wrestling UFC all sorts and they charge $80+ so for £15 I don't think it's too bad. Of course I would like it for free, I would also like sky for free too but I have to pay for that.

All these people that constantly moan why don't u please tell us how to make these fights without the ppv money?????

Right...whilst in Japan they have the best fights in terrestrial TV, including things like the upcoming Yamanaka Vs Suriyan and Ao Vs Salgado show, or the recent Yaegashi Vs Gonzalez / Inoue Vs Samartlek and Murata show...I wonder why the sport is growing in Japan and they are about to have a Golden generation lead by the Inoue brothers, Kosei Tanaka et al whilst boxing in the US is needing to import interesting fighters and boxing in the UK struggles to attract mainstream interest.

Fights deserve to get paid, of course they do, though maybe the ones nearer to the top need to take a paycut in the short term to help them in the long run

It's not even true anyway though regarding all fights in america being PPV. There's a lot of fights i'd consider better than Cleverly vs Bellew 2 that are on fox cards or even standard showtime or HBO which is the equivalent of sky.

lefty wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

righthook wrote:In America they have ppv for everything boxing wrestling UFC all sorts and they charge $80+ so for £15 I don't think it's too bad. Of course I would like it for free, I would also like sky for free too but I have to pay for that.

All these people that constantly moan why don't u please tell us how to make these fights without the ppv money?????

Right...whilst in Japan they have the best fights in terrestrial TV, including things like the upcoming Yamanaka Vs Suriyan and Ao Vs Salgado show, or the recent Yaegashi Vs Gonzalez / Inoue Vs Samartlek and Murata show...I wonder why the sport is growing in Japan and they are about to have a Golden generation lead by the Inoue brothers, Kosei Tanaka et al whilst boxing in the US is needing to import interesting fighters and boxing in the UK struggles to attract mainstream interest.

Fights deserve to get paid, of course they do, though maybe the ones nearer to the top need to take a paycut in the short term to help them in the long run

It's not even true anyway though regarding all fights in america being PPV. There's a lot of fights i'd consider better than Cleverly vs Bellew 2 that are on fox cards or even standard showtime or HBO which is the equivalent of sky.

I can guarantee u that no card in america will have an under card on as good as the belelw clev fight that isnt ppv so that quote u have done is irrelevant.

If this was bellew v clev and a poor under card id agree with u 100% but the fact of the matter is the under card is huge and packed with top top names.

sky must have around 2/3 ppv fights a year so thats around £45. IMO thats not too bad to see some big shows and big fights as well as all the other free shows on sky

rio wrote:

righthook wrote:In America they have ppv for everything boxing wrestling UFC all sorts and they charge $80+ so for £15 I don't think it's too bad. Of course I would like it for free, I would also like sky for free too but I have to pay for that.

All these people that constantly moan why don't u please tell us how to make these fights without the ppv money?????

Cleverly v bellow can easily be made without ppv just like anyother domestic level fight. If froch vs bute wasent ppv then neither should this.

That is the key point here. Why could Froch v Bute be done sans PPV? Because it was a big fight with a significant internatonal take-up. Bellew v Clev 2 holds no interest to anybody away from these shores. It's a domestic fight between domestic fighters. The only reason this is being sold as a 'big fight' is because Anthong is a hothead. Why offer them big money?

The fight's only being talked about because of this PPV nonsense (all publicity...).

righthook wrote:In America they have ppv for everything boxing wrestling UFC all sorts and they charge $80+ so for £15 I don't think it's too bad. Of course I would like it for free, I would also like sky for free too but I have to pay for that.

All these people that constantly moan why don't u please tell us how to make these fights without the ppv money?????

The point is, mate, it's not even a big fight. Moore-Macklin and Moore-Rhodes were just as big. And there is no need to pad out the undercard just to justify PPV. Or if they insist, do something along the lines of Fwanks original Magnificent 7 where at least the original line up looked decent.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

righthook wrote:In America they have ppv for everything boxing wrestling UFC all sorts and they charge $80+ so for £15 I don't think it's too bad. Of course I would like it for free, I would also like sky for free too but I have to pay for that.

All these people that constantly moan why don't u please tell us how to make these fights without the ppv money?????

Right...whilst in Japan they have the best fights in terrestrial TV, including things like the upcoming Yamanaka Vs Suriyan and Ao Vs Salgado show, or the recent Yaegashi Vs Gonzalez / Inoue Vs Samartlek and Murata show...I wonder why the sport is growing in Japan and they are about to have a Golden generation lead by the Inoue brothers, Kosei Tanaka et al whilst boxing in the US is needing to import interesting fighters and boxing in the UK struggles to attract mainstream interest.

Fights deserve to get paid, of course they do, though maybe the ones nearer to the top need to take a paycut in the short term to help them in the long run

I'm sure Sauerland said on Ringside before the Haye-Klitschko fight was agreed that Germany doesn't have PPV either. So in the UK we eventally got charged 15 quid for a fight which took place & was screened without extra charges in Germany.

That was bad enough, but at least that fight was a big event - this one clearly isn't.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

righthook wrote:In America they have ppv for everything boxing wrestling UFC all sorts and they charge $80+ so for £15 I don't think it's too bad. Of course I would like it for free, I would also like sky for free too but I have to pay for that.

All these people that constantly moan why don't u please tell us how to make these fights without the ppv money?????

Right...whilst in Japan they have the best fights in terrestrial TV, including things like the upcoming Yamanaka Vs Suriyan and Ao Vs Salgado show, or the recent Yaegashi Vs Gonzalez / Inoue Vs Samartlek and Murata show...I wonder why the sport is growing in Japan and they are about to have a Golden generation lead by the Inoue brothers, Kosei Tanaka et al whilst boxing in the US is needing to import interesting fighters and boxing in the UK struggles to attract mainstream interest.

Fights deserve to get paid, of course they do, though maybe the ones nearer to the top need to take a paycut in the short term to help them in the long run

I'm sure Sauerland said on Ringside before the Haye-Klitschko fight was agreed that Germany doesn't have PPV either. So in the UK we eventally got charged 15 quid for a fight which took place & was screened without extra charges in Germany.

That was bad enough, but at least that fight was a big event - this one clearly isn't.

You're quite right Germany doesn't do PPV either.

The countries that do do PPV on a regular basis are the US, New Zealand, Australia, the UK, parts of Scandinavia and Poland I think. Pretty disappointing really though in fairness the PPV's they get in New Zealand are embarassing.

Germans pay for all TV.

mickey1975 wrote:Germans pay for all TV.

So do we?

I don't understand what there was about the first fight that warrants a PPV return, it was hardly Froch v Groves I. If it is purely because they don't like each other can't they go in a pub car park or somewhere and sort things and then Hearn can put the rest of the card on SKY Sports as normal.

righthook wrote:

lefty wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:
Right...whilst in Japan they have the best fights in terrestrial TV, including things like the upcoming Yamanaka Vs Suriyan and Ao Vs Salgado show, or the recent Yaegashi Vs Gonzalez / Inoue Vs Samartlek and Murata show...I wonder why the sport is growing in Japan and they are about to have a Golden generation lead by the Inoue brothers, Kosei Tanaka et al whilst boxing in the US is needing to import interesting fighters and boxing in the UK struggles to attract mainstream interest.

Fights deserve to get paid, of course they do, though maybe the ones nearer to the top need to take a paycut in the short term to help them in the long run

It's not even true anyway though regarding all fights in america being PPV. There's a lot of fights i'd consider better than Cleverly vs Bellew 2 that are on fox cards or even standard showtime or HBO which is the equivalent of sky.

I can guarantee u that no card in america will have an under card on as good as the belelw clev fight that isnt ppv so that quote u have done is irrelevant.

If this was bellew v clev and a poor under card id agree with u 100% but the fact of the matter is the under card is huge and packed with top top names.

sky must have around 2/3 ppv fights a year so thats around £45. IMO thats not too bad to see some big shows and big fights as well as all the other free shows on sky

Oh yeah cos the undercard is sooooo amazing.

righthook wrote:the fact of the matter is the under card is huge and packed with top top names.

is this some sort of Scouse Eddie Hearn parody account?

tony1234 wrote:I don't understand what there was about the first fight that warrants a PPV return, it was hardly Froch v Groves I. If it is purely because they don't like each other can't they go in a pub car park or somewhere and sort things and then Hearn can put the rest of the card on SKY Sports as normal.

I don't think Cleverly could give a fornicate about Bellew, Tony may have worked himself up so much that he now hates Cleverly, but until there was a chance of fighting him he didn't care either, then he lost, they were acting like they were mates, nothing happens, now he's claiming to hate him again.

Bellew admitted a while ago it was all to build the fight, get bums on seats etc. Cleverley will beat him again.

Yes We Can wrote:Quigg vs Agbeko isn't a terrible fight, id favour Quigg but Agbeko will be the best win on his record at this point regardless of recent form.

Its not terrible but Agbeko has lost 4 of his last 5 fights. Its nothing to write home about really, barely worth watching. About time Quigg steps up and fights someone in a 50-50 fight.

righthook wrote:

BillyTKid wrote:

righthook wrote:Can't believe all the negativity about the ppv

People just jumping on the band wagon half the time!

Eddie hasn't even announced half the card yet and everyone's moaning. At least hear the full card and then have a go,

It's simple if u don't want to pay for it then just don't order it. The undercard could b amazing for all we know at least give it a chance to b announced

Its not as simple as don't like it don't buy it. Surely my paying £60 a month to sky is already buying it. I basically subscribe to skysports for football and boxing, when a big football match comes up I don't get an e-mail telling me it has been made box office and its and extra £20.

No your measly £60 a month doesn't pay for a stacked boxing show less than £1 of your £60 a month hoes toward boxing so the answer is NO it doesn't already pay for it.

You people live in a fantasy world seriously!!!!!!! Everyone on this site is obviously a big boxing fan and u should know better than anyone that if big fights/big cards are to be made then the peanuts sky pay for boxing isn't enough to make the fights

I see a few on here as well saying oh what next we pay for football pay per view? NO football is worth billions in this country people pay ridiculous amounts of money to watch there team week in week out and sponsors pay millions to the football clubs so there is no need to make it ppv .

Let me point this out one more time for the people who are a little slow! When a big fight gets made and like on this occasion there is allot of stars on the undercard the £100,000 sky give for a show doesn't even pay one fighters purse!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is obviously the ticket money as well but again let's use the echo arena as an example it holds 10,000 so let's say with a sell out it makes half a million plus the £100.000, from sky, then a few sponsors for the show. Let's say it adds up to roughly 750,000 does anyone really believe that is enough to pay bellew,cleverly,Joshua,the smiths,degale,quigg, all their opponents, not to mention the other fighters not yet named on the bill, then we have the security the police, the hiring of the arena, tax to pay.
Does anyone think there is enough to make that show without box office???????

It's simple if u don't like it don't buy it!
But then don't moan saying no big fights are getting made.

I wouldn't even mind if some people where actually poor and couldn't afford it but I can guarantee most people spend that on a take away or a few pints,

If you want to bum Eddie Hearn go back to twitter with those other losers in their mid life crisis. Cant believe you lot dont get paid by matchroom but play them up all you can, grow a backbone.

First part of the hype complete. Tell everyone that the fight is 'sold out' and in record time for the arena via ticketing websites.

Don't let the public know how to get tickets through other avenues