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fergusg wrote: You merely supplied several unverifiable blanket statements.

Look… it’s clear that you feel that it was not possible for Golovkin to have faced better opposition (even though he’s been on the world scene for more than six years)… So we’ll agree to disagree on this one!

fergusg wrote: A small part of me believes that the "everyone is too scared of Gennady Golovkin" story is purely media hype to make the legend of GGG that much more intriguing. It might have happened once or twice, but not as many times as being perpetuated by the media.

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

fergusg wrote: You merely supplied several unverifiable blanket statements.

Look… it’s clear that you feel that it was not possible for Golovkin to have faced better opposition (even though he’s been on the world scene for more than six years)… So we’ll agree to disagree on this one!

Whats unverifiable abot published purses, abandoned purse bids, or contenders giving excuses in print or video?

Supply whatever evidence you may have that has led you to draw such conclusions and we can chat about it if you want.

I'm willing to concede this point if you can prove that every single fighter I listed declined an offer to fight Golovkin. In fact, I'll be glad to have my mind changed on this, because it elevates Golovkin's status, as I'm a big fan of his.

However, evey time someone told me about this theory, none of them were able to supply any evidence whatsoever to support it... and I refuse to believe in fairytales.

A small part of me believes that the "everyone is too scared of Gennady Golovkin" story is purely media hype to make the legend of GGG that much more intriguing. It might have happened once or twice, but not as many times as being perpetuated by the media.

Golovkin’s handlers should have invested heavily in their man from the get-go, because he should have been household name by now, but they didn’t and the quality of GGG’s resume is relatively weak as a direct result of their lack of confidence.

Butterbean wrote:

Golovkin’s handlers should have invested heavily in their man from the get-go, because he should have been household name by now, but they didn’t and the quality of GGG’s resume is relatively weak as a direct result of their lack of confidence.

Who should he have fought mr. Hindsight ? And who would you like him to fight to prove himself now ?

Ricky_ wrote:

Butterbean wrote:

Golovkin’s handlers should have invested heavily in their man from the get-go, because he should have been household name by now, but they didn’t and the quality of GGG’s resume is relatively weak as a direct result of their lack of confidence.

Who should he have fought mr. Hindsight ? And who would you like him to fight to prove himself now ?

He should have signed with Arum, more money would have been spent promoting him and he'd be have been fed bigger household names to KO. Arum probably would have sacrificed Chavez Jnr to Golovkin about a year ago.

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

Ricky_ wrote: He should have signed with Arum, more money would have been spent promoting him and he'd be have been fed bigger household names to KO. Arum probably would have sacrificed Chavez Jnr to Golovkin about a year ago.

He probably never received an offer from them. Doesnt matter, K2 has done a fantastic job with him. He draws east, west, hbo loves him, Mexican fans in socal chant his name. How many central Asians achieved that level of popularity? In 2 years, starting from zero

ikorolev wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

Ricky_ wrote: He should have signed with Arum, more money would have been spent promoting him and he'd be have been fed bigger household names to KO. Arum probably would have sacrificed Chavez Jnr to Golovkin about a year ago.

He probably never received an offer from them. Doesnt matter, K2 has done a fantastic job with him. He draws east, west, hbo loves him, Mexican fans in socal chant his name. How many central Asians achieved that level of popularity? In 2 years, starting from zero

... except he doesn't earn as much as he should and still can't get a big name fight him.

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

fergusg wrote:You merely supplied several unverifiable blanket statements.

Supply whatever evidence you may have that has led you to draw such conclusions and we can chat about it if you want.

Its been posted many times. The fact youre including serial ggg duckers like sturm, quillin, murray shows youre unwilling to learn

You have a hypothesis that Gennady Golovkin’s career has been handled in the optimum manner and that it was absolutely impossible for him to have faced a higher calibre of opposition, because you’ve bought into the myth perpetuated by the media that every single one of the top-tier world-class fighters in his weight range are simply far too scared to fight him!

Of course, it’s your prerogative to believe that “everyone’s scared of Golovkin”, but yet not a single person that uses this forum that shares the very same opinion has supplied any irrefutable evidence to support your claim.

Whilst this clearly isn’t a court of law, I normally expect adults to be independently-minded and formulate their own opinion based on the facts that they have at their disposal, yet no one seems to have any, which I find quite bizarre!

Here’s my theory… Gennady Golovkin is an exquisitely talented fighter, but his handlers haven’t shown enough confidence in him to invest their own cash in order to tempt the highest possible calibre of opposition to share the ring with him. This has resulted in his popularity growing at a much slower rate than his talent deserves, so he not only receives smaller paydays than he should be earning, but he is also relatively anonymous (in global terms) in comparison to his fellow pound-for-pounders.

A lot of top-tier opponents recognise Golovkin’s obvious talents, but because he’s not a massively-popular fighter, it’s not economically viable (without investment from K2) to tempt any big name fighters to share the ring with him.

Instead, Golovkin’s popularity has grown at a much slower rate than it should have done, because he has to compete against mid-tier non-elite calibre opponents!

Think about it… Golovkin became a world-rated fighter about the same time as Andre Ward & Carl Froch, he’s even competed in more world title bouts than they have, yet he earns a mere fraction of what they do! And these guys, who rarely ever lose, don’t seem to have any problems whatsoever in finding opponents. Canelo Alvarez only became a world champion in 2011, but he’s light years ahead of GGG in terms of popularityand earning power!

If you’re a light middleweight, the big payday’s are against Mayweather & Canelo… middleweights will chase Cotto… and 168lb-ers will ALWAYS opt to face Carl Froch (or perhaps Chavez Jr when he does decide to fight again). Where does that leave Golovkin?

After all, who wants to fight Gennady Golovkin and have a very high chance of losing, but for a relatively small payday?

Butterbean wrote:Who should he have fought mr. Hindsight ? And who would you like him to fight to prove himself now ?

Please read the comments within this thread before posting a derogatory comment! Your ignorance doesn’t paint you in a positive light!

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Youre so thick and tedious dude, total waste of time. "Let them eat cake"

In other words, regardless as to whatever I say… or the apparent lack of evidence to support your hypothesis, you’re doggedly determined to maintain your stance that “everyone is scared of Golovkin?”

I think the truth is more like this… Golovkin’s top-tier world-class rivals are probably thinking… “I need to receive a massive payday if I’m going to risk my career and earning potential to face a monster like Golovkin!”

The money is not there – so the big fights don’t get made - resulting in a poor resume for Golovkin!

fergusg wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

fergusg wrote: In other words, regardless as to whatever I say… or the apparent lack of evidence to support your hypothesis, you’re doggedly determined to maintain your stance that “everyone is scared of Golovkin?”

I think the truth is more like this… Golovkin’s top-tier world-class rivals are probably thinking… “I need to receive a massive payday if I’m going to risk my career and earning potential to face a monster like Golovkin!”

The money is not there – so the big fights don’t get made - resulting in a poor resume for Golovkin!

You should have put it like that at first, and not these tedious, stupid novels youve been writing, with " if only his handlers had the confidence..." when its well known they approached just about everyone

If my you feel my posts are "tedious, stupid novels", then stop reading and commenting on them.

If it really is "well known" that Golovkin's handlers "approached just about everyone", then please supply the evidence, as it should be easy to gather!

fergusg wrote: If it really is "well known" that Golovkin's handlers "approached just about everyone", then please supply the evidence, as it should be easy to gather!

Just an example of the last year Monaco fight. According to Loefler:
"NDamm did not accept, Murray turned it down, Andy Lee turned it down, Geale promoter turned it down"

franio wrote:Top 10? He should be in top 3 for everyone.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:He's just not beaten good enough opposition to be top 10. Until he starts beating top level fighters, we just don't know whether his skills actually live up to the hype.

dempseyfire wrote:Per usual, posters are going widely off in extreme directions.

Yes, he's top 10 lb for lb. But in the 6-10 range, not #1-5.

Ahead of him for me are Floyd, Manny, Hopkins, Rigondeaux, Gonzales and probably Marquez (Ward would be but IMO his what will surely be a year of inactivity drops him from consideration).

jezzamundo wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:Per usual, posters are going widely off in extreme directions.

Yes, he's top 10 lb for lb. But in the 6-10 range, not #1-5.

Ahead of him for me are Floyd, Manny, Hopkins, Rigondeaux, Gonzales and probably Marquez (Ward would be but IMO his what will surely be a year of inactivity drops him from consideration).

I don't see how Hopkins currently makes the Top 10 P4P. His last win over a truly world class opponent was over four years ago against Jean Pascal. Since then he's lost to Dawson (poor stylistic matchup for Hopkins, so not a big detraction) and had wins over the then overrated Cloud, a relative nobody in Murat and the fairly limited Shumenov. He's a legend, no doubt, but he's barely throwing 30 punches per-round these days, which has been enough to get wins over the C to B level opposition he has been facing, but I don't think it's going to cut it against the elite at LHW. I guess we'll see what happens in the Kovalev fight, but as of right now, I don't feel that BHop should be in the Top 10 P4P, in fact I'd have him at #3 at LHW.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:He's just not beaten good enough opposition to be top 10. Until he starts beating top level fighters, we just don't know whether his skills actually live up to the hype.

jezzamundo wrote:I don't see how Hopkins currently makes the Top 10 P4P. His last win over a truly world class opponent was over four years ago against Jean Pascal. Since then he's lost to Dawson (poor stylistic matchup for Hopkins, so not a big detraction) and had wins over the then overrated Cloud, a relative nobody in Murat and the fairly limited Shumenov. He's a legend, no doubt, but he's barely throwing 30 punches per-round these days, which has been enough to get wins over the C to B level opposition he has been facing, but I don't think it's going to cut it against the elite at LHW. I guess we'll see what happens in the Kovalev fight, but as of right now, I don't feel that BHop should be in the Top 10 P4P, in fact I'd have him at #3 at LHW.

KBB wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:I don't see how Hopkins currently makes the Top 10 P4P. His last win over a truly world class opponent was over four years ago against Jean Pascal. Since then he's lost to Dawson (poor stylistic matchup for Hopkins, so not a big detraction) and had wins over the then overrated Cloud, a relative nobody in Murat and the fairly limited Shumenov. He's a legend, no doubt, but he's barely throwing 30 punches per-round these days, which has been enough to get wins over the C to B level opposition he has been facing, but I don't think it's going to cut it against the elite at LHW. I guess we'll see what happens in the Kovalev fight, but as of right now, I don't feel that BHop should be in the Top 10 P4P, in fact I'd have him at #3 at LHW.

Hating on BHop to prove a point about Gennady is not fair, IMHO the competition that Golovkin has faced is not better than that of Hopkins'. Rubio, Geale, Adama, and Macklin have done nothing any better than Shumenov, Murat or Cloud.

It's fruitless to debate using the logic you used because neither man's competition is all that.