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KBB wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

KBB wrote:Ward by KO, he's used to beating bigger fighters; he's taller, faster, more skilled with his boxing acumen and has a better defense to boot. I see the fight being competitive for about 4 rounds and then Ward will beat on him like he stole something. GGG's fortune has been that he is facing slow fighters who are afraid of him and fighters who are not able to make him fight going backwards, Ward will be big enough, fast enough and hit hard enough to do all what the others were unable to do while winning easily before stopping him.

GGG outpointed Durrell in a format that is much more suitable for Andre. But doesn't matter, you're obviously an idiot if you think Ward stops him. Ward doesn't stop anybody, his last stoppage over a healthy fighter was Shelby Pudwill.

LOL, you GGG fans are the whiniest on this forum, the minute someone disagrees with you then you start throwing out insulting names. You act as if it's not possible for Ward to KO Gennady at all, Andre has stopped far bigger opponents than him. You must be the obvious idiot if you think it's not possible for Ward to beat and KO a smaller man than him.

Stopped far bogger opponents? You mean Pudwill? Or why the plural? The only decent fighter Ward has stopped is Dawson, who was weight drained. Remember midget Pac stopping DLH, or Shaun George stopping Byrd, both guys far more durable than Dawson. Otherwise glass chinned Miranda and Allan Green went the distance. Pretty sure Ward scored zero knockdowns in the S6

i would say ward would win. but if we could see how Golovkin handles froch first would be an advantage

This is the fight I want to see GGG in.
Everyone wants to see him tested to prove just how good he is.
I want to see him against someone with the footwork, movement and ring generalship to test just how effective he is at closing down.
Someone who has the skills, reflexes and ring savvy to make him miss, tie hm up and gauge how accurate he is and see how he deals with not hitting his opponent at will.
And finally fight someone bigger than him that may not be worried about his power as too many of his opponents have been scared going in and effectively beaten before the first bell.

For me, Ward beats him by a reasonably comfortable decision.

Riddick Blowe wrote:Was just watching the Froch fight before. Noticed how badly Ward got marked up on his face for someone who didn't take so many punches.
Now imagine how Golovkin is gonna bust him up. A superior technique, superior pressure, superior power, speed, volume to Froch. Ward would get busted up good, and any swelling or blood or reason not to see GGG's punches coming is bad news for Andre.

Ricky_ wrote:Ward is like Waldimir Klitchko, he just became harder to hit and learned to completely nullify his opponent through craft & fouling.

True. Golovkin has that kind of power that makes you forget about tactics and focus on how to survive. Every punch hurts you so much that you start wishing you were somewhere else, like with Rubio in his last fight.

At the same time; the Ukrainian is an intelligent guy, not easily outsmarted. His brain-speed compensates for some of what he lacks in hand-speed.

And another fundamental side of this game; he is not the kind of guy who could ever get scared or overwhelmed by his opponent, like most boxers do when they meet someone like Ward. Golovkin fights like a gladiator, like a machine, you will have to stop him or get stopped.

But Ward is still unbeaten, and a meeting like this could bring out qualities in both boxers that they havent needed to use until now..

No luck for GGG with Hopkins fight after the Kovalev beating.

I am wondering if after the unskilled and slow (similarly to Golovkin) Kovalev outboxed one of the best and fastest technicians, the majority is still thinking that Ward will easily outbox GGG.

GGG is rather like Kovalev in that a lot of boxing fans still don't realise just how good he is. It's possible people might cotton on to Kovalev now he's beaten Hopkins but they are still behind with Golovkin. If he meets Ward Golovkin will beat him. There can be discussion after discussion and reason after reason, it makes no odds it's what happens in the ring that counts not all the talk.

These two are the best I've seen in years and the thing I really like about them is they are true fighters not grabbers or runners.

I was just looking at the poll results. I think the more GGG fights and the less time fighting or inactivity by Ward that gap will close even more in favor of GGG.

Ian1973 wrote:GGG is rather like Kovalev in that a lot of boxing fans still don't realise just how good he is. It's possible people might cotton on to Kovalev now he's beaten Hopkins but they are still behind with Golovkin. If he meets Ward Golovkin will beat him. There can be discussion after discussion and reason after reason, it makes no odds it's what happens in the ring that counts not all the talk.

These two are the best I've seen in years and the thing I really like about them is they are true fighters not grabbers or runners.

Golovkin is better than Kovalev.

Idiots like "nate JR/ Brut" are always behind teh times, because until the Kovalevs or GGG's step-up opposition they aren't as good as the Hopkins & Ward's.... perhaps it's good having fans like this that are rather slow on the uptake, with those kind of philosophies they're always behind the times. Everyone know that Kovalev was going to smash Hopkins, to think otherwise cause Kovalev ain't faught nobody is laughable.

Unlike Hopkins though, Ward wouldn't hear a final bell vs GGG.

Ricky_ wrote:
Golovkin is better than Kovalev.

I think they're equally good. I don't see what GGG does better than Kovalev.

Golovkin vs Ward at 168lb is the best fight that could possibly be made in boxing right now. It's really sad that neither guy is a PPV fighter and that Ward has been so inactive. I'd like to see them be clever with it and fight in 2016, ideally once GGG has beaten a Canelo/Cotto/JCC Jr level fighter and Ward has had at least one, ideally two comeback fights, one being a dominant win over a top ten opponent. I really hope this doesn't become the next Pac-Floyd debacle - if they had fought in March 2010, it would have been epic. If they fight next year, it's still one of the best fight available in boxing, but nowhere near as good as it would have been when both were five years younger and still in their primes.

So, has anything changed since this thread was made?

Not for me, and not even if Ward looks sensational vs Smith. Ward has no shot vs GGG. GGG could walk through Ward's punches with impunity. You're going to take shots vs him, no question. Ward doesn't have the constitution to hang.

unfairlane wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:Was just watching the Froch fight before. Noticed how badly Ward got marked up on his face for someone who didn't take so many punches.
Now imagine how Golovkin is gonna bust him up. A superior technique, superior pressure, superior power, speed, volume to Froch. Ward would get busted up good, and any swelling or blood or reason not to see GGG's punches coming is bad news for Andre.

Ricky_ wrote:Ward is like Waldimir Klitchko, he just became harder to hit and learned to completely nullify his opponent through craft & fouling.

True. Golovkin has that kind of power that makes you forget about tactics and focus on how to survive. Every punch hurts you so much that you start wishing you were somewhere else, like with Rubio in his last fight.

At the same time; the Ukrainian is an intelligent guy, not easily outsmarted. His brain-speed compensates for some of what he lacks in hand-speed.

And another fundamental side of this game; he is not the kind of guy who could ever get scared or overwhelmed by his opponent, like most boxers do when they meet someone like Ward. Golovkin fights like a gladiator, like a machine, you will have to stop him or get stopped.

But Ward is still unbeaten, and a meeting like this could bring out qualities in both boxers that they havent needed to use until now..

he isn't Ukrainian

Riddick Blowe wrote:So, has anything changed since this thread was made?

Not for me, and not even if Ward looks sensational vs Smith. Ward has no shot vs GGG. GGG could walk through Ward's punches with impunity. You're going to take shots vs him, no question. Ward doesn't have the constitution to hang.

Yup, boxing is one of the few sports where offense > defense. As good as Ward's defense is, he simply won't be able to keep Golovkin or Kovalev off him if he ever decided to take a proper fight.

Paul Smith

We all know Ward's got a great resume, but he can't dine out on what he's done in the past forever. Folk expect him to show interest in big fights now, all this litigation is behind him and he has no time to lose. 'If he ever decides to take a proper fight' is fair until he makes the right noises. By some people's logic, he could get a pass by fighting five more Paul Smiths then retiring. That doesn't cut it when he is rated so highly and there are major challenges and makeable fights either waiting for him at 175 or waiting to face him at 168.

Riddick Blowe wrote:We all know Ward's got a great resume, but he can't dine out on what he's done in the past forever. Folk expect him to show interest in big fights now, all this litigation is behind him and he has no time to lose. 'If he ever decides to take a proper fight' is fair until he makes the right noises. By some people's logic, he could get a pass by fighting five more Paul Smiths then retiring. That doesn't cut it when there are major challenges either waiting for him at 175 or waiting to face him at 168.

Paul Smith isn't even an acceptable 'tune-up' fight. Paul Smith isn't even ranked in the top 5 British Super-Middleweights. He was cannon-fodder for both DeGale & Groves when they were up & coming youngsters.

fergusg wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Paul Smith isn't even an acceptable 'tune-up' fight. Paul Smith isn't even ranked in the top 5 British Super-Middleweights. He was cannon-fodder for both DeGale & Groves when they were up & coming youngsters.

In the context of Paul Smith's performance against Arthur Abraham, are there that many Golovkin opponents that are considerably better than the hairy Brit?

I would probably pick all of GGG's last 10 opponents over Smith. So, yea. Abraham is very faded.

fergusg wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

fergusg wrote:In the context of Paul Smith's performance against Arthur Abraham, are there that many Golovkin opponents that are considerably better than the hairy Brit?

I would probably pick all of GGG's last 10 opponents over Smith. So, yea. Abraham is very faded.

And I would say you're wrong! Paul Smith would have been very competitive against the vast majority of the names that GGG has defended his WBA crown against.

I'd like to say agree to disagree, but somehow I have a feeling you have more to add.

fergusg wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

fergusg wrote:In the context of Paul Smith's performance against Arthur Abraham, are there that many Golovkin opponents that are considerably better than the hairy Brit?

I would probably pick all of GGG's last 10 opponents over Smith. So, yea. Abraham is very faded.

And I would say you're wrong! Paul Smith would have been very competitive against the vast majority of the names that GGG has defended his WBA crown against.

The commentator Paul Smith has a new fan, i'm sure he'll be delighted.

Ricky_ wrote:OK, Brut.

Dude, everything you state is incorrect. You were wrong about Pacquiao beating Floyd, wrong about me being a racist and you're wrong for thinking that I have multiple accounts when I've told you over and over again that I don't. I'm not sure why you think I need to lie to you (a no f*cking body) about this account thing.

Me, Nate and Kool are three different individuals but just because we are on the same accord due to the amount of BS idiots like you say, you somehow have deduced that I'm using multiple accounts when I'm not. (Maybe a case of Retardation on your part).

Go ahead and believe what you want to believe but if I were as stupid as you then it would be even easier to believe that you, FreeDUMB and a multitude of others here are the same account. So for now on whenever you quote me as being one of the other guys that you ASSume I supposedly am then I will call you Bnovelist, Cheap Ass and FreeDUMB.

I think that this is only fair.

fergusg wrote: In the context of Paul Smith's performance against Arthur Abraham, are there that many Golovkin opponents that are considerably better than the hairy Brit?

The whole German SMW company, Abraham/Stieglitz/Sturm are shot which was illustrated by one-sided beating of Sturm by Chudinov and Smith's "performance" against Abraham. Smith is still a journeyman, it is Abraham who under-performed, not the other way.

fergusg wrote:
If you genuinely believe that the last ten GGG opponents would have utterly dominated the Brit, then that’s your prerogative.

It’s my belief that you’re embellishing Smith’s lack of credentials as a means to undermine Andre Ward’s choice of opponent to rid himself of ring-rust.

We’ll agree to disagree on this point!

Without looking at his record, can you tell me who Smith's best win is over?

No?

Well, it's Tony Dodson.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Who was past it.

I think that's the definition of 'lack of credentials'.

Ward's style is exactly what you need to dismantle a guy like Gennady.

And he will, convincingly.

Andre has had much tougher fights with bigger, harder punching, more skilled opponents.

Triple G, on the other hand, has never been in the ring- even in sparring- with a guy like Ward.

Easy fight for Andre.

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

fergusg wrote: In the context of Paul Smith's performance against Arthur Abraham, are there that many Golovkin opponents that are considerably better than the hairy Brit?

The whole German SMW company, Abraham/Stieglitz/Sturm are shot which was illustrated by one-sided beating of Sturm by Chudinov and Smith's "performance" against Abraham. Smith is still a journeyman, it is Abraham who under-performed, not the other way.

You didn’t answer the question. Would every single one of Gennady’s opponents be capable of utterly dominating Paul Smith or are you like me, and believe that he’d be competitive with most of them?

Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and even Stevens would beat Smith. Pre-Golovkin Macklin would beat Smith. Rosado and Adama would likely beat Smith.

fergusg wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

fergusg wrote: In the context of Paul Smith's performance against Arthur Abraham, are there that many Golovkin opponents that are considerably better than the hairy Brit?

The whole German SMW company, Abraham/Stieglitz/Sturm are shot which was illustrated by one-sided beating of Sturm by Chudinov and Smith's "performance" against Abraham. Smith is still a journeyman, it is Abraham who under-performed, not the other way.

You didn’t answer the question. Would every single one of Gennady’s opponents be capable of utterly dominating Paul Smith or are you like me, and believe that he’d be competitive with most of them?

Didn't his comment tell you everything? GGG has been fighting top ten or fringe top ten middleweights. Smith is ranked around 30 or so in his division and even that flatters him a little, speaks volumes about a pretty weak SM division. You are basing his chances against GGG's opponents on the back of two spirited but losing performances against a name fighter who is now demonstrably shot. He has absolutely nothing else on his resume to suggest he would be meaningfully competitive with the bulk of GGG's recent opposition. Nothing.

koolkc107 wrote: Andre has had much tougher fights with bigger, harder punching, more skilled opponents.

Triple G, on the other hand, has never been in the ring- even in sparring- with a guy like Ward.

Easy fight for Andre.

Can you name a couple of those ? Gennady is not using all his skills lately, because he doesn't want to finish his fights in 5 minutes and he wants to entertain fans who bought tickets.