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rob h wrote:Why blame the police? Police are stretched to the limit, but there aint enough resources to deal with things when you have idiots phoning up as someone has called them a slag on facebook.


So blaming the police is a pathetic thing to say in my opinion.

So, if your kid came home and he couldn't read nor write, do you blame Michael Gove or do you go to a more direct source to deal with the problem?

And if you went in to see your kids teacher and they said 'what do you want me to do about it? Not my problem' then you would go absolutely ballistic - but then teachers have a lot less leeway than police officers in regards being held responsible for actually doing their job.

And even if I agree that policing levels and their effectiveness within the law is part of a wider problem, officers on the beat and their attitude towards burglary has nothing to do with the government or higher ups, their lack of sympathy and effectiveness is totally their responsibility. If I call 999 because my house has been burgled and two cops turn up 90 minutes later and tell me 'what do you want us to do about it?' I am going to blame them, who else will I blame?

And this was before the invention of facebook and social media - they weren't tracking down twitter trolls in 1993, nothing seems to have changed in over 20 years since.

Police turning up to a burglary in 90 minutes?

Try 2 days.

Made and arrest

http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/1 ... ony-crolla

G0mez wrote:Police turning up to a burglary in 90 minutes?

Try 2 days.

Really? Bloody hell...

so basically a 17yo is arrested and a 46yo woman who must of been at the same house as the arrest was made, as she is being done for possesion.

i'm guessing 18 months max for the 17yo.

Thoughts are with Crolla, who should be preparing for the world title shot instead of being caught up in this mess

17 years old. Jesus Christ. How senseless.

Old bones Ian wrote:so basically a 17yo is arrested and a 46yo woman who must of been at the same house as the arrest was made, as she is being done for possesion.

i'm guessing 18 months max for the 17yo.

Thoughts are with Crolla, who should be preparing for the world title shot instead of being caught up in this mess

Exactly mate. Not unreasonable to guess the Woman is the Mum, might be wrong. What a mess.

47? It'll be his gran

Shouldn't laugh, orbs, but Kin ell.

Crollas promo video released. Very sad.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/30541646

If Crolla had surgery on his skull/brain then his career is over

If the surgery is on his ankle and his head is healing in a non invasive manner then he has a chance to fight again. but expect it to be 8 months at least.

Think the surgery was on the ankle

orbtastic wrote:47? It'll be his gran

took me a while to get that one

orbtastic wrote:47? It'll be his gran

You know the drill

orbtastic wrote:47? It'll be his gran

Do you think officers are happy to let criminals get away with things? Do you think that there is no conflict between police forces and the government, and CPS decisions? Do you think they or there friends and family have never been victims of crime themselves?

The majority of officers are disgusted in the time restrictions they are given to deal with any one incident, and it really is true, for every 30mins of being out policing, there is hours of office work. This goes on behind the scenes.

As well as responding to incidents of crime, they are dealing with fatal RTC's where they have to deal with gruesome scenes, and they have to get themselves together and visit the family. These are people who have family themselves and have lost people.

Police officers also act on behalf of the coroner when sudden deaths are reported, that means visiting families who are terribly distressed, helping them through this time, dealing with the removal of the body (ambulance do not do this, the bodies are left in situ once life is extinct), helping the widow if they are left alone, contacting family members, undertakers, arranging the property to be boarded up if needed. Now this social aspect of it is done on a human level, not on a law level. As well as this, the officer must examine the body.... it is not a nice job. Especially when leaving this scene they can be verbally and possibly physically assaulted when making there way back to their vehicle - as they are "pigs".

They are normal people that have dedicated their lives to catching criminals, a lot get injured or killed in the line of duty. So it may happen to you once in ten years, an officer goes every day to these incidents everyday and see the anguish and distress that victims go through, and they are sympathetic, they want to catch the criminals.

The government recognise that officers cannot sit and have cups of tea with elderly vulnerable victims like in the olden days, even though an officer would want to, hence why they have invested so much in PCSO's, who do a lot of work with vulnerable people and victims of crime.

I am not saying that all officers have this mentality, like and job - the wrong people can get in. But the majority of officers I know are honest people with good morals from working class backgrounds.

I know I am going on about it, but the way society is, the pack mentality of people against the police who have no idea what it is like, is just sad.

A smack/crackhead as suspected then.

A decent solicitor could get him off on self-defence I reckon, I kid you not. You're allowed to defend someone else.

jonp wrote:Think the surgery was on the ankle

How did he injure his ankle ?

I picked up from one news report that they might have run over his leg in a car - hopefully I am wrong.

rob h wrote:Do you think officers are happy to let criminals get away with things? Do you think that there is no conflict between police forces and the government, and CPS decisions? Do you think they or there friends and family have never been victims of crime themselves?

The majority of officers are disgusted in the time restrictions they are given to deal with any one incident, and it really is true, for every 30mins of being out policing, there is hours of office work. This goes on behind the scenes.

As well as responding to incidents of crime, they are dealing with fatal RTC's where they have to deal with gruesome scenes, and they have to get themselves together and visit the family. These are people who have family themselves and have lost people.

Police officers also act on behalf of the coroner when sudden deaths are reported, that means visiting families who are terribly distressed, helping them through this time, dealing with the removal of the body (ambulance do not do this, the bodies are left in situ once life is extinct), helping the widow if they are left alone, contacting family members, undertakers, arranging the property to be boarded up if needed. Now this social aspect of it is done on a human level, not on a law level. As well as this, the officer must examine the body.... it is not a nice job. Especially when leaving this scene they can be verbally and possibly physically assaulted when making there way back to their vehicle - as they are "pigs".

They are normal people that have dedicated their lives to catching criminals, a lot get injured or killed in the line of duty. So it may happen to you once in ten years, an officer goes every day to these incidents everyday and see the anguish and distress that victims go through, and they are sympathetic, they want to catch the criminals.

The government recognise that officers cannot sit and have cups of tea with elderly vulnerable victims like in the olden days, even though an officer would want to, hence why they have invested so much in PCSO's, who do a lot of work with vulnerable people and victims of crime.

I am not saying that all officers have this mentality, like and job - the wrong people can get in. But the majority of officers I know are honest people with good morals from working class backgrounds.

I know I am going on about it, but the way society is, the pack mentality of people against the police who have no idea what it is like, is just sad.

Well said...

I know some proper toerags and even they have more respect for the job the Police do than the regular man in the street these days...

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:

rob h wrote:Do you think officers are happy to let criminals get away with things? Do you think that there is no conflict between police forces and the government, and CPS decisions? Do you think they or there friends and family have never been victims of crime themselves?

The majority of officers are disgusted in the time restrictions they are given to deal with any one incident, and it really is true, for every 30mins of being out policing, there is hours of office work. This goes on behind the scenes.

As well as responding to incidents of crime, they are dealing with fatal RTC's where they have to deal with gruesome scenes, and they have to get themselves together and visit the family. These are people who have family themselves and have lost people.

Police officers also act on behalf of the coroner when sudden deaths are reported, that means visiting families who are terribly distressed, helping them through this time, dealing with the removal of the body (ambulance do not do this, the bodies are left in situ once life is extinct), helping the widow if they are left alone, contacting family members, undertakers, arranging the property to be boarded up if needed. Now this social aspect of it is done on a human level, not on a law level. As well as this, the officer must examine the body.... it is not a nice job. Especially when leaving this scene they can be verbally and possibly physically assaulted when making there way back to their vehicle - as they are "pigs".

They are normal people that have dedicated their lives to catching criminals, a lot get injured or killed in the line of duty. So it may happen to you once in ten years, an officer goes every day to these incidents everyday and see the anguish and distress that victims go through, and they are sympathetic, they want to catch the criminals.

The government recognise that officers cannot sit and have cups of tea with elderly vulnerable victims like in the olden days, even though an officer would want to, hence why they have invested so much in PCSO's, who do a lot of work with vulnerable people and victims of crime.

I am not saying that all officers have this mentality, like and job - the wrong people can get in. But the majority of officers I know are honest people with good morals from working class backgrounds.

I know I am going on about it, but the way society is, the pack mentality of people against the police who have no idea what it is like, is just sad.

Well said...

I know some proper toerags and even they have more respect for the job the Police do than the regular man in the street these days...

Oh OK.

So why didn't Anthony ring them then?

Because he knew, like most Mancunians - that they are not coming - at all. So, it is up to him to either do nothing or do something and it has nearly cost him his life.

Fat Git wrote:

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote:

rob h wrote:Do you think officers are happy to let criminals get away with things? Do you think that there is no conflict between police forces and the government, and CPS decisions? Do you think they or there friends and family have never been victims of crime themselves?

The majority of officers are disgusted in the time restrictions they are given to deal with any one incident, and it really is true, for every 30mins of being out policing, there is hours of office work. This goes on behind the scenes.

As well as responding to incidents of crime, they are dealing with fatal RTC's where they have to deal with gruesome scenes, and they have to get themselves together and visit the family. These are people who have family themselves and have lost people.

Police officers also act on behalf of the coroner when sudden deaths are reported, that means visiting families who are terribly distressed, helping them through this time, dealing with the removal of the body (ambulance do not do this, the bodies are left in situ once life is extinct), helping the widow if they are left alone, contacting family members, undertakers, arranging the property to be boarded up if needed. Now this social aspect of it is done on a human level, not on a law level. As well as this, the officer must examine the body.... it is not a nice job. Especially when leaving this scene they can be verbally and possibly physically assaulted when making there way back to their vehicle - as they are "pigs".

They are normal people that have dedicated their lives to catching criminals, a lot get injured or killed in the line of duty. So it may happen to you once in ten years, an officer goes every day to these incidents everyday and see the anguish and distress that victims go through, and they are sympathetic, they want to catch the criminals.

The government recognise that officers cannot sit and have cups of tea with elderly vulnerable victims like in the olden days, even though an officer would want to, hence why they have invested so much in PCSO's, who do a lot of work with vulnerable people and victims of crime.

I am not saying that all officers have this mentality, like and job - the wrong people can get in. But the majority of officers I know are honest people with good morals from working class backgrounds.

I know I am going on about it, but the way society is, the pack mentality of people against the police who have no idea what it is like, is just sad.

Well said...

I know some proper toerags and even they have more respect for the job the Police do than the regular man in the street these days...

Oh OK.

So why didn't Anthony ring them then?

Because he knew, like most Mancunians - that they are not coming - at all. So, it is up to him to either do nothing or do something and it has nearly cost him his life.

Who do you think has just arrested a teenager in relation to the assault on Anthony?


I'll make it easier for you by making it multiple choice.

1. Nanny McPhee
2. Greater Manchester Police
3. London Metropolitan Police

If they hadn't done what they did to Crolla they wouldn't be being arrested, and no-one would be really looking for them. I live in Manchester, and the first time you get robbed it is a bit of a shock to discover the complete lack of interest or help from the police. I probably wouldn't even ring them next time.

orbtastic wrote:47? It'll be his gran

I'm from Gorton. I know the realities of living in Manchester.

You have your opinion.

I am giving you the truth, believe what you want.

I'm not having a go at the police, as I understand how low priority burglary is but it was a shock how it was dealt with. I imagine my expectations of what was going to happen were completely unrealistic looking back but they were in my house for all of ten minutes, had a chat, gave me a code/number and then a number for victim support. Why would I phone them next time for that?

How many burglaries do you think go unreported? Why bother unless you have insurance?

rob h wrote:I'm from Gorton. I know the realities of living in Manchester.

You have your opinion.

I am giving you the truth, believe what you want.

You rambled on about car crashes, sudden deaths, talking to victims and PCSOs, chucked in a lie about a lot being killed in the line of duty and complained that people don't like the police, what I didn't see in there was anything about burglaries, which is what the discussion was about.