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Tanzio wrote:I'm not arguing that Pac was injured. But I have no evidence that he wasn't. Even if he wasn't, it does not change what I think happened.

Ask Senior and Uncle how THEY feel FMJ fought that evening. Better yet, listen to them in the corner pleading with FMJ to do more than touch gloves and hug Pac.

I'm not interested in convincing anyone. I know what I saw at the final presser. That is why I did not buy the fight. Everything I saw in the ring and at the post fight press conference confirmed the validity of my decision.

It was a farce.

I didn't accuse you of arguing on Pac's injury or not, your BOGUS claim is that they (Floyd and Manny) choreographed aka "fixed" the fight together to try and get a rematch that makes even more money or something to that effect but I asked you a question that you are avoiding.

Why would Manny agree to a fix if he knew he could beat Floyd? Furthermore, what sense would it make to go for a fix if he beat Floyd legitimately and then he would be in the driver's seat and make the lion's share of the money???

You are avoiding answering that but you continue to make your ridiculously misguided claim, as to how Sr and Uncle claiming that Floyd wasn't doing enough I already answered that before.

Max asked Floyd about that in the interview and Floyd explained that Manny was being very tricky with something he was doing to counter Mayweather's attack which made Floyd hesitant or reluctant to fire the combos or punches he'd normally land on other fighters.

I'm not sure why you cannot accept that as an honest answer from an honest fighter in the ring, Floyd always gives credit to fighters who do damage to him legitimately, no need to keep saying stupid stuff like this was a "choreographed" fight because it wasn't.

KBB wrote:

Tanzio wrote:I'm not arguing that Pac was injured. But I have no evidence that he wasn't. Even if he wasn't, it does not change what I think happened.

Ask Senior and Uncle how THEY feel FMJ fought that evening. Better yet, listen to them in the corner pleading with FMJ to do more than touch gloves and hug Pac.

I'm not interested in convincing anyone. I know what I saw at the final presser. That is why I did not buy the fight. Everything I saw in the ring and at the post fight press conference confirmed the validity of my decision.

It was a farce.

I didn't accuse you of arguing on Pac's injury or not, your BOGUS claim is that they (Floyd and Manny) choreographed aka "fixed" the fight together to try and get a rematch that makes even more money or something to that effect but I asked you a question that you are avoiding.

Why would Manny agree to a fix if he knew he could beat Floyd? Furthermore, what sense would it make to go for a fix if he beat Floyd legitimately and then he would be in the driver's seat and make the lion's share of the money???

You are avoiding answering that but you continue to make your ridiculously misguided claim, as to how Sr and Uncle claiming that Floyd wasn't doing enough I already answered that before.

Max asked Floyd about that in the interview and Floyd explained that Manny was being very tricky with something he was doing to counter Mayweather's attack which made Floyd hesitant or reluctant to fire the combos or punches he'd normally land on other fighters.

I'm not sure why you cannot accept that as an honest answer from an honest fighter in the ring, Floyd always gives credit to fighters who do damage to him legitimately, no need to keep saying stupid stuff like this was a "choreographed" fight because it wasn't.

Prove that FMJ was being honest and Pac wasn't.

Prove that Pac was not injured.

If Pac was injured like he claims and FMJ was made aware of it then there was ample reason for them to consider going through the motions in the first fight and set up a rematch based on Pac being injured the first time around.

But, even without the injury, the demeanor of the "supposed" combatants at the final press conference was obvious enough for me to suspect that it was going to be a buddy sparring exhibition. The resulting "fight" lived up to my suspicions and the press conference afterwards sealed the deal for me, legit injury or not.

You "answered" my question by citing a quote from FMJ, who you have ordained an "honest fighter." Convenient for you to pick and choose who you think is a liar (Manny) and who is an "honest fighter" (FMJ), with no evidence to back up either opinion.

On the contrary, I think that they are both lying. I think they colluded to deceive the public for personal profit. I think that they are trying to dupe all of you for a second helping. They are both guilty in my opinion.

Not only did they stage a farce, the performances sucked.

Now go fvck off before I go to the trouble of busting up the turB, Kool, Badhusker (has Nate joined you yet?) circle jerk on that other thread by shredding your heart throb's cherry picking record before your eyes.

this is the internet. every conspiracy theory finds
its followers.

man wrote:this is the internet. every conspiracy theory finds
its followers.

This is not a conspiracy theory, man, and I am not soliciting followers.

If Team Pac is telling the truth about his injury and Team FMJ was as informed as they claim they were prior to the fight, then the only question is; did Team FMJ and Team Pac collude to withhold vital information from the public curtailing the public's ability to make an informed buying and / or wagering decision?

Even if there was no collusion both camps are guilty of withholding the information.

If you were the P4P no.1 fighter, fighting in one of the biggest bouts in boxing history, with your entire legacy on the line, how would you react if a rep from your opponent came forward before the fight to say "Oh our camp just wanted to let you know that we're carrying a shoulder injury. May the best man win".

Even a dummy would choose to completely ignore that information as why would the opponent want to disadvantage themselves by bringing it up? In order to get agreement for some sort of pain relief or injection that would otherwise not be permitted? Why would Floyd agree to this?

Absolutely ridiculous stuff. Even if for some crazy reason Pacs team did submit this information to Floyds team, he would have completely ignored it.

johnswan1 wrote:If you were the P4P no.1 fighter, fighting in one of the biggest bouts in boxing history, with your entire legacy on the line, how would you react if a rep from your opponent came forward before the fight to say "Oh our camp just wanted to let you know that we're carrying a shoulder injury. May the best man win".

Even a dummy would choose to completely ignore that information as why would the opponent want to disadvantage themselves by bringing it up? In order to get agreement for some sort of pain relief or injection that would otherwise not be permitted? Why would Floyd agree to this?

Absolutely ridiculous stuff. Even if for some crazy reason Pacs team did submit this information to Floyds team, he would have completely ignored it.

Ignoring information is not ignorance of it, first of all.

FMJ's camp made the claim that they knew everything that was happening in Pac's camp. Pac's camp simply agreed that FMJ's camp had a mole in their camp.

If both camps' claim are accurate then both camps knew Pac was seriously injured prior to the fight, and chose to withhold that information from the potential buying / wagering public.

It is certainly a tiny step beyond that to actual collusion to withhold information and avoid postponing the fight. The benefit to be realized from that collusion and decision is obvious.

Tanzio wrote:

man wrote:this is the internet. every conspiracy theory finds
its followers.

This is not a conspiracy theory, man, and I am not soliciting followers.

If Team Pac is telling the truth about his injury and Team FMJ was as informed as they claim they were prior to the fight, then the only question is; did Team FMJ and Team Pac collude to withhold vital information from the public curtailing the public's ability to make an informed buying and / or wagering decision?

Even if there was no collusion both camps are guilty of withholding the information.

ok. let's think this through. if this whole legal
thing gets through then from now on every
fighter has to either hide camp injuries totally
or skip out for everything, otherwise he gets
sued. this is boxing. fighters enter the ring in
all kinds of conditions.

make no mistake, this is not disappointed fans
suing, this is betting money. not much sympathy
for that, but if it gets it is potentially ruining the
professional sport. example? haye's toe. of course
he could not have entered the ring if he had to be
afraid to get successfully sued.

man wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

man wrote:this is the internet. every conspiracy theory finds
its followers.

This is not a conspiracy theory, man, and I am not soliciting followers.

If Team Pac is telling the truth about his injury and Team FMJ was as informed as they claim they were prior to the fight, then the only question is; did Team FMJ and Team Pac collude to withhold vital information from the public curtailing the public's ability to make an informed buying and / or wagering decision?

Even if there was no collusion both camps are guilty of withholding the information.

ok. let's think this through. if this whole legal
thing gets through then from now on every
fighter has to either hide camp injuries totally
or skip out for everything, otherwise he gets
sued. this is boxing. fighters enter the ring in
all kinds of conditions.

make no mistake, this is not disappointed fans
suing, this is betting money. not much sympathy
for that, but if it gets it is potentially ruining the
professional sport. example? haye's toe. of course
he could not have entered the ring if he had to be
afraid to get successfully sued.

First of all, I'm not suing anyone. However, I think that there are legitimate grounds for both legal gambling interests as well as a class action by the buyers of The Farce, especially if it can be proven that there was collusion between the parties to withhold the information, avoid postponement of the fight, and then utilize the withheld information to rationalize The Farce II.

Even if they did not collude, if Team FMJ was aware of the injury going into The Farce, it explains his demeanor at the final presser, the sparring exhibition level action in the ring and the post fight pressers.

Wow ... 5 pages!

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Wow ... 5 pages!

It takes time and space for the truth to sink in.

Tanzio wrote:Prove that FMJ was being honest and Pac wasn't.

Prove that Pac was not injured.

If Pac was injured like he claims and FMJ was made aware of it then there was ample reason for them to consider going through the motions in the first fight and set up a rematch based on Pac being injured the first time around.

But, even without the injury, the demeanor of the "supposed" combatants at the final press conference was obvious enough for me to suspect that it was going to be a buddy sparring exhibition. The resulting "fight" lived up to my suspicions and the press conference afterwards sealed the deal for me, legit injury or not.

You "answered" my question by citing a quote from FMJ, who you have ordained an "honest fighter." Convenient for you to pick and choose who you think is a liar (Manny) and who is an "honest fighter" (FMJ), with no evidence to back up either opinion.

On the contrary, I think that they are both lying. I think they colluded to deceive the public for personal profit. I think that they are trying to dupe all of you for a second helping. They are both guilty in my opinion.

Not only did they stage a farce, the performances sucked.

Now go fvck off before I go to the trouble of busting up the turB, Kool, Badhusker (has Nate joined you yet?) circle jerk on that other thread by shredding your heart throb's cherry picking record before your eyes.

You asked me to prove something when you have proven "NOTHING", all you have is a stupid theory based on what you "think" happened but nothing of substance that amounts or equals up to anything.

As far as Floyd and whether not he lies about what happens to him in the ring then all I can tell you is to watch all of his interviews after each bout and hear for yourself whether or not he honestly gives credit to the fighters who have hurt him or caused him problems in the ring.

Mayweather was being honest when he was accosted by his father as to why he didn't let his hands go more vs Pacquiao, he gave Manny credit for being slicker than he thought and trickier than he imagined. I see no reason for Floyd to lie about that but maybe since you dislike him then your motive me be more simple for calling him a liar.

Like i said, you are avoiding my question so I will ask it one more time and then I challenge you to create a Poll to see if anyone here agrees with your simpleminded and misplaced/misguided theory that somehow Floyd and Manny choreographed this fight.

Please answer these questions:

Why would Manny agree to a fix if he knew he could beat Floyd? Furthermore, what sense would it make to go for a fix if he beat Floyd legitimately and then he would be in the driver's seat and make the lion's share of the money???

PS: don't forget to make your Poll.

Roach now sayng Manny was kidding about the saltwater thing won't help their case any.