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Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 13:57

spudder56 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 12:56

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 10:09

Gatti life I meant, ill always throw him into everything as I’m a massive fan lol, Nazareth was a young Mexican kid who died a couple years ago in a fight with Jesus Chavez I think it was, apparently weight making issues played a massive part in his injuries that lead to him dying, a good friend of mine as spent many years living and training in Mexico and fighting under Nacho Berenstien at the Romanza gym sparring and training alongside the likes of Jorge Arce, Jhonny Gonzalez, Juan manuel Marquez and many other great fighters, lots of footage of him sparring them and training etc and he said the way they make weight in Mexico is so so dangerous and appalling and there are loads of injuries and deaths we don’t even hear off but yet still nothing is done about it, he reckons it’s the toughest conditions and approach hence the fans favourite Mexican style of fighting but even in sparring if you get knocked out or badly hurt you get up and carry on once you can heft to your feet, if your cut they just deal with it as if it was a real fight and you carry on, I understand the thought behind it but it’s training and preparation for the real thing, the less punishment and miles you put on the clock imo is better for your health and career, I know lads here and in America who make weight so dangerously it’s a wide spread common thing believe it or not, behind close doors it’s unfortunately become part and parcel with the hope that nothing serious will happen to you, I think more needs to be done and the BBBoC check weighs don’t count for poo and can be easily got around, it needs to be more stringent and can be imo. A coupe recent prime examples are the very sad deaths of Mike Towell and not 100% sure weight played any part but the sad death of Scott Westgarth plus the injuries to the likes of Nick Blackwell, and a good friend of mine JonJo Finnegan etc all highlight it

How would you change the bbbofc check weigh procedures then ?

Plenty of ways, the weight making more comes into it when it’s title fights and is the time when the weight draining becomes more drastic, as you have a target to make, the lads know when the check weigh in is happening has it’s usually arranged by your local area secretary phoning to make the arrangements with the trainer a week or couple weeks before to give plenty of time for you to drop the weight rapidly as required to meet the % guidelines the board are happy with, but it isn’t strict enough or monitored enough, in fact it’s a joke, the lads then drain themselves to make that weight then instantly go back up in weight knowing that they’ve got until a couple days before the fight now before the next one, I’ve seen and know lads who have made check weight and then the next day be 1st over that weight again, and within a couple days be 20+ pounds over, some of the American and Mexicans use intravenous rehydration via a saline drip, one who was known was Chavez junior who would rehydrate at least 20lbs over night, so one way for me is being that once a fight is announced the fighters weight is taken to see if it’s medically safe for them to be able to take the excess weight off during the length of camp, mathematics coming into it, then once a week their weight taken throughout camp leading upto fight to make sure it’s safely coming down by a safe amount, lads and trainers keep the lads weight high throughout camp especially for during there sparring to try and limit any risk of injury from weight loss and
Any fluid decrease which sets alarm bells ringing that they are well aware of the risks, which asks the question why do they think it’s acceptable to lose a stone if not a couple stones 7-10 days before a 12 round, hard fight ?
the risk of brain injury is massively increased the longer a fight goes on, the heat under the lights, the impact of taking numerous head shots throughout the length of a fight, the dehydration naturally and exhaustion from the fight all massively increased if you’ve crashed weight and are dehydrated going into the fight, and has we’ve seen unfortunately too many times the sad consequences of it.

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:17 They should have there fighters on the scales regularly for sure, keep a diary and know there lads as all are different, can lose weight or hold weight different and respond to things different, hence what make a top trainer imo, treat each fighter individually, train them like that and teach and encourage there growth as that, I’ve walked away from fighters and fights even massive fights or refused to train lads for fights for the same reason as I would never have it on my conscious if anything did happen, same as I’ve been in big fights and pulled my lads out if I know they’ve gave it there all, got nothing left and are losing it gonna end up hurt badly, they can always fight another day, it hasn’t always gone down well with them but id rather that than look at there families either at there hospital bedside or god forbid their funeral, but I’ve known lads then walk away and carry on with someone else who will just “YES” them and allow them to dictate, we must also remeber the strong wills and grown men we are dealing with, it’s a difficult job at times

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:17 They should have there fighters on the scales regularly for sure, keep a diary and know there lads as all are different, can lose weight or hold weight different and respond to things different, hence what make a top trainer imo, treat each fighter individually, train them like that and teach and encourage there growth as that, I’ve walked away from fighters and fights even massive fights or refused to train lads for fights for the same reason as I would never have it on my conscious if anything did happen, same as I’ve been in big fights and pulled my lads out if I know they’ve gave it there all, got nothing left and are losing it gonna end up hurt badly, they can always fight another day, it hasn’t always gone down well with them but id rather that than look at there families either at there hospital bedside or god forbid their funeral, but I’ve known lads then walk away and carry on with someone else who will just “YES” them and allow them to dictate, we must also remeber the strong wills and grown men we are dealing with, it’s a difficult job at times

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:34

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:17 They should have there fighters on the scales regularly for sure, keep a diary and know there lads as all are different, can lose weight or hold weight different and respond to things different, hence what make a top trainer imo, treat each fighter individually, train them like that and teach and encourage there growth as that, I’ve walked away from fighters and fights even massive fights or refused to train lads for fights for the same reason as I would never have it on my conscious if anything did happen, same as I’ve been in big fights and pulled my lads out if I know they’ve gave it there all, got nothing left and are losing it gonna end up hurt badly, they can always fight another day, it hasn’t always gone down well with them but id rather that than look at there families either at there hospital bedside or god forbid their funeral, but I’ve known lads then walk away and carry on with someone else who will just “YES” them and allow them to dictate, we must also remeber the strong wills and grown men we are dealing with, it’s a difficult job at times

Thanks for sharing your personal feelings on the topic. I've always wondered how Joey Gamache's handlers let him fight Gatti when he was outweighed by some 20 LBS on fight night. Terrible.

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:34 Yes Spudder56, very easy to be a tough/brave guy when your not the one taking the punches anymore mate.

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:34

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:17 They should have there fighters on the scales regularly for sure, keep a diary and know there lads as all are different, can lose weight or hold weight different and respond to things different, hence what make a top trainer imo, treat each fighter individually, train them like that and teach and encourage there growth as that, I’ve walked away from fighters and fights even massive fights or refused to train lads for fights for the same reason as I would never have it on my conscious if anything did happen, same as I’ve been in big fights and pulled my lads out if I know they’ve gave it there all, got nothing left and are losing it gonna end up hurt badly, they can always fight another day, it hasn’t always gone down well with them but id rather that than look at there families either at there hospital bedside or god forbid their funeral, but I’ve known lads then walk away and carry on with someone else who will just “YES” them and allow them to dictate, we must also remeber the strong wills and grown men we are dealing with, it’s a difficult job at times

Thanks for sharing your personal feelings on the topic. I've always wondered how Joey Gamache's handlers let him fight Gatti when he was outweighed by some 20 LBS on fight night. Terrible.

Tbh mate, there’s so many trainers who have been involved in ill fated fights and they never seem to have to answer any questions which I feel is wrong, they need to be able to give a insight and answers to what happened through camp, leading upto fight and in their opinion through out the fight and explain how or what went wrong it they feel could of contributed, and if they can’t answer them questions sufficiently they need to at least have their licenses taken away as they are clearly inadequate or if more comes to light face possible legal action

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:43

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:34
Thanks for sharing your personal feelings on the topic. I've always wondered how Joey Gamache's handlers let him fight Gatti when he was outweighed by some 20 LBS on fight night. Terrible.

Tbh mate, there’s so many trainers who have been involved in ill fated fights and they never seem to have to answer any questions which I feel is wrong, they need to be able to give a insight and answers to what happened through camp, leading upto fight and in their opinion through out the fight and explain how or what went wrong it they feel could of contributed, and if they can’t answer them questions sufficiently they need to at least have their licenses taken away as they are clearly inadequate or if more comes to light face possible legal action

My understanding, having been involved in USA Boxing, is that everyone's first responsibility is the safety of the fighters. Of course, in amateur boxing, there's no money involved that would create conflicts where there shouldn't be. Your fighters are blessed to have you.

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 15:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:43

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:39

Tbh mate, there’s so many trainers who have been involved in ill fated fights and they never seem to have to answer any questions which I feel is wrong, they need to be able to give a insight and answers to what happened through camp, leading upto fight and in their opinion through out the fight and explain how or what went wrong it they feel could of contributed, and if they can’t answer them questions sufficiently they need to at least have their licenses taken away as they are clearly inadequate or if more comes to light face possible legal action

My understanding, having been involved in USA Boxing, is that everyone's first responsibility is the safety of the fighters. Of course, in amateur boxing, there's no money involved that would create conflicts where there shouldn't be. Your fighters are blessed to have you.

Thank you very much for your
Kind words, I’m currently taking a break from boxing, the politics, backstabbing, lying, and underhandedness was getting a bitch much tbh, it’s portrayed or people think of it as a tough mans sport, but here in the UK it’s 99% full of little bithes lol, I had a accident and damaged my back which I’ve needed multiple operations and spent months in hospital since May last year, so just concentrating on getting back to full health now and was lucky enough to be home with my family for Christmas, could of been a blessing in disguise as I say I was getting a bit fed up of boxing so the break as done me good.

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 15:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:43

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 14:39

Tbh mate, there’s so many trainers who have been involved in ill fated fights and they never seem to have to answer any questions which I feel is wrong, they need to be able to give a insight and answers to what happened through camp, leading upto fight and in their opinion through out the fight and explain how or what went wrong it they feel could of contributed, and if they can’t answer them questions sufficiently they need to at least have their licenses taken away as they are clearly inadequate or if more comes to light face possible legal action

My understanding, having been involved in USA Boxing, is that everyone's first responsibility is the safety of the fighters. Of course, in amateur boxing, there's no money involved that would create conflicts where there shouldn't be. Your fighters are blessed to have you.

Thank you very much for your
Kind words, yes the safety of the boxers is paramount, I’m currently taking a break from boxing, the politics, backstabbing, lying, and underhandedness was getting a bitch much tbh, it’s portrayed or people think of it as a tough mans sport, but here in the UK it’s 99% full of little bithes lol, I had a accident and badly damaged my back which I’ve needed multiple operations and spent months and months in hospital since April/May last year (2018) so just concentrating on getting back to full health now or as much as I’ll be able to again, im Lucky enough to walk again, and was more lucky to be able to get home with my family for Christmas, could of been a blessing in disguise as I say I was getting a bit fed up of boxing so the break as done me good.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:31 I don't know if it is a case of the career finishing early, but I certainly felt that Khalid from Nottingham's career could have been more. Unfulfilled maybe a better word

spudder56 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:34

Steveh583 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:31 I don't know if it is a case of the career finishing early, but I certainly felt that Khalid from Nottingham's career could have been more. Unfulfilled maybe a better word

Do you mean khaliq mate ?

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:33 Abuslamdov is the guys name your on about, I remeber watching ten fight also, not sure my spelling is correct though lol, Yh Exactly mate, you know first hand then what I’m on about, there is no solidarity, it’s all good and your the best and everyone wants to be with you when the goings good, tough times come and your easily
Forgot about, very very selfish sport and people involved unfortunately, like the famous saying goes in boxing, “if you want loyalty in boxing, buy a dog” and that’s so true, but like yourself if boxing’s in your blood it is so hard to walk away from permanently, my dad and uncles boxed so was a natural progression, I’ve been around it my whole life so as much as it’s crappy at times it’s hard to leave alone

littlepug wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:40

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:33 Abuslamdov is the guys name your on about, I remeber watching ten fight also, not sure my spelling is correct though lol, Yh Exactly mate, you know first hand then what I’m on about, there is no solidarity, it’s all good and your the best and everyone wants to be with you when the goings good, tough times come and your easily
Forgot about, very very selfish sport and people involved unfortunately, like the famous saying goes in boxing, “if you want loyalty in boxing, buy a dog” and that’s so true, but like yourself if boxing’s in your blood it is so hard to walk away from permanently, my dad and uncles boxed so was a natural progression, I’ve been around it my whole life so as much as it’s crappy at times it’s hard to leave alone

Yeah true, guys with your sense of care and knowledge of the game do exsist but just not enough of them, hope you get back to full fitness and get back because boxing is a lot poorer and unsafe without guys like you in it

Steveh583 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:37

spudder56 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:34

Steveh583 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2019, 16:31 I don't know if it is a case of the career finishing early, but I certainly felt that Khalid from Nottingham's career could have been more. Unfulfilled maybe a better word

Do you mean khaliq mate ?

Yes that's him. Good old autospell he had that good win vs a handy South African if I remember rightly, but then no big push. Shame because that was the strange time when his division was loaded with decent domestic fighters that never faced off for promotional reasons. They could have cleaned up financially If only they were given the opportunity.