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Tanzio wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Wilder was doing precious little to separate himself from Szpilka up to the punch.

He was way ahead. And only a moron would think otherwise...oh wait...

. . . you're a moron.

You have proved that you are a hapless troll who will argue a point to death after being humiliated and proven wrong pages earlier.

You are a Floydiot.

Number one.

I have never been close to being on the losing end of an argument here, so I have no idea where you get that.

Feel free to post an example of me losing an argument and going on for pages after...but don't bet on it, kid.

Number two.

I rooted for Mayweather when he fought. When he retired, I not only stopped rooting for him but also saw little need to talk much about him.

It is butthurt Pactoid morons like yourself who, like the Salt Water Catfish himself, constantly feel the need to mention Floyd, like some warped dong measuring contest they keep coming up short in.

Stay in your lane, cretin.

Or I will own you...again.

punchoutsb wrote:

Perseus wrote:If Wilder lands hard on Povetkin he'll be as horizontal as Artur was tonight.

Possibly. That was a GREAT shot. But, Povetkin has a much better chin than Artur, and is much much more skilled. Artur's head movement is something Povetkin doesn't have though.

Boxing Prospect wrote:Eloquently? I thought his sentences were garbled nonsense...

Cut him some slack, he'd just finished a tough match and was probably a little confused when he saw Fury in the ring. That's the first time he's ever been in the same ring with a B+ fighter and he probably got a little nervous

He certainly sonned Fury thoroughly for being nervous.

Tanzio wrote:

marvelous marv wrote:I sat ringside for this one. Wilders punches were loud when he landed. Szpilka seemed to not land cleanly often and they seemed like arm punches. Not sure how this came across on TV. Might be part of the reason for disparity.

Fair enough. Wilder landed very few and far between and went too many stretches of doing almost zero. But, I was not ringside listening to punches.

Marv may be right, but he's also the guy who suggested that only those biased against Al Haymon would predict a Povetkin victory over Wilder, so it makes me wonder if he heard what he wanted to.

crusader wrote:

Perseus wrote:If Wilder lands hard on Povetkin he'll be as horizontal as Artur was tonight.

Fun fight, fvcking awesome KO and the judges had it right, Wilder was winning this fight.
Wilder is still raw and will never be coordinated but that right hand is real and he carries the power into the late rounds.

Would Duhaupas and Stiverne be as horizontal?

Would AP be horizontal against Jennings or Mollo?

Anyone with a brain would have noticed I didn't say anything about them.
Obviously "with a brain" does not include you.

Probably missed the "If Wilder lands" part too.
The over-rated Povetkin won't take WIlder's shots any better than Szpilka did...........if Wilder can land good shots on him.

Some people on this forum have no reading comprehension at all.

koolkc107 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:
He was way ahead. And only a moron would think otherwise...oh wait...

. . . you're a moron.

You have proved that you are a hapless troll who will argue a point to death after being humiliated and proven wrong pages earlier.

You are a Floydiot.

Number one.

I have never been close to being on the losing end of an argument here, so I have no idea where you get that.

Feel free to post an example of me losing an argument and going on for pages after...but don't bet on it, kid.

Number two.

I rooted for Mayweather when he fought. When he retired, I not only stopped rooting for him but also saw little need to talk much about him.

It is butthurt Pactoid morons like yourself who, like the Salt Water Catfish himself, constantly feel the need to mention Floyd, like some warped dong measuring contest they keep coming up short in.

Stay in your lane, cretin.

Or I will own you...again.

You know nothing, and prove it when you post. I'm not a Pac fan. You still practice Floydolatry by denegrating other fighters that you think threaten his legacy.

Now go away and argue with your pitiful self. Or, go to the mirror and raise your hands in victory over your imaginary foes you pathetic little fool.

Wilder has heavy hands , just wish he pumped the jab a lot more and put his combinations together . His footwork is odd , he seems to get discombobulated and needs to reset , not good against a pressure fighter , unfortunately no one comes to mind in the current heavyweight division .

Tanzio wrote:

crusader wrote:

armageto wrote:
77-75 and 78-74 X2 didn't seem bad to me. I didn't keep a RBR score, but it seemed in that area. Farhood had it 78-75 Wilder.

And Farhood having that score means it's accurate? I've seen dross from commentators who are clearly biased.

Most people on here doing r by rs had it even or very close. I put more legitimacy on that than "official judges" or commentators.

Szpilka acquitted himself well. I hope that he is OK.

All that proves is they are about as useless as you are in scoring a fight.

Let me explain what the judges were seeing.

They were watching Wilder keep the shorter man at bay with his jab and movement.

They saw one guy control the pace and the space for most of every round, landing the cleaner, heavier punches while also avoiding a lot of punches.

For parts of the round, Spilzka would get his jab working- not enough to raise a welt like Wilder's tho. Nothing consistent.

You cant win a round where you flurry for 30 to 40 seconds per round and rarely land a shot more meaningful than the ones you have been taking the other 2 and a half minutes.

That's why all the judges has Wilder ahead and 2 way ahead.

Kootenay47 wrote:Wilder has heavy hands , just wish he pumped the jab a lot more and put his combinations together . His footwork is odd , he seems to get discombobulated and needs to reset , not good against a pressure fighter , unfortunately no one comes to mind in the current heavyweight division .

I assure you that every single HW is now very wary of getting caught by that Wilder right hand, Fury, Povetkin, WKlit, etc..

Tanzio wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Perseus wrote:If Wilder lands hard on Povetkin he'll be as horizontal as Artur was tonight.

Possibly. That was a GREAT shot. But, Povetkin has a much better chin than Artur, and is much much more skilled. Artur's head movement is something Povetkin doesn't have though.

Boxing Prospect wrote:Eloquently? I thought his sentences were garbled nonsense...

Cut him some slack, he'd just finished a tough match and was probably a little confused when he saw Fury in the ring. That's the first time he's ever been in the same ring with a B+ fighter and he probably got a little nervous

He certainly sonned Fury thoroughly for being nervous.

Two title pretenders had an awkward in ring exchange. I didn't see anyone getting "sonned", but then I'm not big for blabbing mouths.

punchoutsb wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Possibly. That was a GREAT shot. But, Povetkin has a much better chin than Artur, and is much much more skilled. Artur's head movement is something Povetkin doesn't have though.



Cut him some slack, he'd just finished a tough match and was probably a little confused when he saw Fury in the ring. That's the first time he's ever been in the same ring with a B+ fighter and he probably got a little nervous

He certainly sonned Fury thoroughly for being nervous.

Two title pretenders had an awkward in ring exchange. I didn't see anyone getting "sonned", but then I'm not big for blabbing mouths.

Fury blabbed, Wilder sonned.

And Fury is the World's Heavyweight Champion, not a pretender. Wilder is still undefeated and a threat to any man in the ring.

Tanzio wrote:Fury blabbed, Wilder sonned.

So a bit the reverse of their resumes then?

punchoutsb wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Fury blabbed, Wilder sonned.

So a bit the reverse of their resumes then?

Neither are pretenders. Fury is the World's HW Champ and they are both undefeated.

Tanzio wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Tanzio wrote: . . . you're a moron.

You have proved that you are a hapless troll who will argue a point to death after being humiliated and proven wrong pages earlier.

You are a Floydiot.

Number one.

I have never been close to being on the losing end of an argument here, so I have no idea where you get that.

Feel free to post an example of me losing an argument and going on for pages after...but don't bet on it, kid.

Number two.

I rooted for Mayweather when he fought. When he retired, I not only stopped rooting for him but also saw little need to talk much about him.

It is butthurt Pactoid morons like yourself who, like the Salt Water Catfish himself, constantly feel the need to mention Floyd, like some warped dong measuring contest they keep coming up short in.

Stay in your lane, cretin.

Or I will own you...again.

You know nothing, and prove it when you post. I'm not a Pac fan. You still practice Floydolatry by denegrating other fighters that you think threaten his legacy.

Now go away and argue with your pitiful self. Or, go to the mirror and raise your hands in victory over your imaginary foes you pathetic little fool.

I have forgotten more boxing than you will ever know.

And if you call questioning a fighter when his record deserves questioning "denigrating" then that is proof that what you like about boxing has little to do with the sport and more to do with idolatry and hero worship.

Here's a clue rookie. You can't "denigrate" a man who is willing to risk his life in the ring. But you can make his fanboys butthurt enough to use words like that...

Perseus wrote:

crusader wrote:

Perseus wrote:If Wilder lands hard on Povetkin he'll be as horizontal as Artur was tonight.

Fun fight, fvcking awesome KO and the judges had it right, Wilder was winning this fight.
Wilder is still raw and will never be coordinated but that right hand is real and he carries the power into the late rounds.

Would Duhaupas and Stiverne be as horizontal?

Would AP be horizontal against Jennings or Mollo?

Anyone with a brain would have noticed I didn't say anything about them.
Obviously "with a brain" does not include you.

Probably missed the "If Wilder lands" part too.
The over-rated Povetkin won't take WIlder's shots any better than Szpilka did.

Some people on this forum have no reading comprehension at all.

at you going after my reading comprehension. At what point does my post suggest that you brought up those fighters? I mention Stiverne and Duhaupas as counterexamples precisely because you didn't post anything about them smart guy; you suggest that AP would have a similar fate as Artur but ignore a case in which someone took plenty of hard shots from DW but wasn't rendered horiztonal and lasted 12, and another case in which an opponent took a beating but never went down.

I mention Mollo and Jennings because they each managed to drop AS multiple times, while AP has never been close to down against fighters of that low-level. Molina, Scott, and Harrison--the other top 50 opponents Wilder fought--have also shown durability problems that AP never has.

Now putting this together, I'm questioning whether it's as easy as Wilder lands some hard punches = down goes Povetkin. He has already failed to drop opponents despite landing clean, and all the non-scrub opponents he's dropped and stopped have a history of durability problems. Maybe Povetkin is overrated, but he's an Olympic champion who has consistently won at a higher level than all of Deontay's opponents have, and he's never been stopped in one by a clubfighter, outpointed by Franscisco Pianeta, dropped thrice by Mike Mollo and outclassed by Jennings, or taken out in 6 by someone like Chisora. He'd be Deontay's best opponent by far and I hope we can see that bout happen.

It's obvious - Wilder and Fury want to get it on ASAP

Wilder will go for a Povetkin-dodging unification fight with Martin, in a carefully scripted Haymon play.

I believe Fury can beat Klit again, but it will be one of the most boring heavy title fights of all time, with a possibly dodgy decision.

Fury doesn't want Ortiz. Wilder doesn't want Povetkin.

Povetkin, Ortiz, Joshua, Parker etc. etc. will be left holding their appendages while Haymon controls everything.

Bump this thread if i'm wrong

Tanzio wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Tanzio wrote:Fury blabbed, Wilder sonned.

So a bit the reverse of their resumes then?

Neither are pretenders. Fury is the World's HW Champ and they are both undefeated.

So is Charles Martin. Dust him off a spot in the Hall of Fame!

Pretender was too strong in Fury's case. He did win the title from the best, even though Wlad apparently got so old he forgot what sport he was participating in.

Wilder won a paper title from a paper champ and has proceeded to defend it against the worst opponents they will allow...and he hasn't looked great. If he beats Povetkin then he shuts every doubters mouth. Until that point he's the definition of title pretender.

punchoutsb wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
So a bit the reverse of their resumes then?

Neither are pretenders. Fury is the World's HW Champ and they are both undefeated.

So is Charles Martin. Dust him off a spot in the Hall of Fame!

Pretender was too strong in Fury's case. He did win the title from the best, even though Wlad apparently got so old he forgot what sport he was participating in.

Wilder won a paper title from a paper champ and has proceeded to defend it against the worst opponents they will allow...and he hasn't looked great. If he beats Povetkin then he shuts every doubters mouth. Until that point he's the definition of title pretender.

Fury is The Champ, imo, but Wilder is a serious challenger, among a growing herd of serious challengers.

punchoutsb wrote:"Prince" Charles has now become the worst title holder in Heavyweight history.

This is the weakest group of champions in the history of the sports big men, and the only time I can think of where the top contenders are far and away better than every one of the champions.

That's a little rough. If you talk about worst HW title holder, you need to compare Martin to Marvin Hart, Tommy Burns, Leon Spinks, and Monte Masters. True, Joshua and Parker look better than Wilder, Martin and possibly Fury at this point. But I find Martin, Fury, Wilder and the up comers to be a fun bunch.

Tanzio wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Neither are pretenders. Fury is the World's HW Champ and they are both undefeated.

So is Charles Martin. Dust him off a spot in the Hall of Fame!

Pretender was too strong in Fury's case. He did win the title from the best, even though Wlad apparently got so old he forgot what sport he was participating in.

Wilder won a paper title from a paper champ and has proceeded to defend it against the worst opponents they will allow...and he hasn't looked great. If he beats Povetkin then he shuts every doubters mouth. Until that point he's the definition of title pretender.

Fury is The Champ, imo, but Wilder is a serious challenger, among a growing herd of serious challengers.

That I agree with. Wilder is a very flawed, powerful, but exciting (because of his flaws and power) contender. His belt is meaningless, but the winner of him and Povetkin could give it quite a bit of meaning.

punchoutsb wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
So is Charles Martin. Dust him off a spot in the Hall of Fame!

Pretender was too strong in Fury's case. He did win the title from the best, even though Wlad apparently got so old he forgot what sport he was participating in.

Wilder won a paper title from a paper champ and has proceeded to defend it against the worst opponents they will allow...and he hasn't looked great. If he beats Povetkin then he shuts every doubters mouth. Until that point he's the definition of title pretender.

Fury is The Champ, imo, but Wilder is a serious challenger, among a growing herd of serious challengers.

That I agree with. Wilder is a very flawed, powerful, but exciting (because of his flaws and power) contender. His belt is meaningless, but the winner of him and Povetkin could give it quite a bit of meaning.

Not for me. He who defeats Fury becomes The Champ. All others are pretenders.

Tony1244 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:"Prince" Charles has now become the worst title holder in Heavyweight history.

This is the weakest group of champions in the history of the sports big men, and the only time I can think of where the top contenders are far and away better than every one of the champions.

That's a little rough. If you talk about worst HW title holder, you need to compare Martin to Marvin Hart, Tommy Burns, Leon Spinks, and Monte Masters. True, Joshua and Parker look better than Wilder, Martin and possibly Fury at this point. But I find Martin, Fury, Wilder and the up comers to be a fun bunch.

Have we forgotten the completely meaningless reign of the Quiet Man?

I dunno about you but I still bear scars from his fights to this day. And I still yawn everytime someone says "heavyweight" from habit...

Marv may be right, but he's also the guy who suggested that only those biased against Al Haymon would predict a Povetkin victory over Wilder, so it makes me wonder if he heard what he wanted to.

I certainly don't believe this to be true. I would suggest Wilder took more criticism than other fighters in a similar position due to his polital affiliations early on.

That's said I hope both Fury and Wilder come thru their obligations because them fighting at Wembley would be incredible theatre.

Last word for me tonight.

Tyson Fury beat Wlad fair and square and deserves to be called champ.

But you cant look at the Joshuas, Ortizes, and yes Wilders of the world and think Tyson is long for this world.

What worked perfectly against Klitschko- and might work again if Wlad doesn't set his mind to throwing a lot more- flat out will not work against the young Turks.

Tony1244 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:"Prince" Charles has now become the worst title holder in Heavyweight history.

This is the weakest group of champions in the history of the sports big men, and the only time I can think of where the top contenders are far and away better than every one of the champions.

That's a little rough. If you talk about worst HW title holder, you need to compare Martin to Marvin Hart, Tommy Burns, Leon Spinks, and Monte Masters. True, Joshua and Parker look better than Wilder, Martin and possibly Fury at this point. But I find Martin, Fury, Wilder and the up comers to be a fun bunch.

Marvin Hart beat Jack Johnson, Joe Choynski, Gus Ruhlin, Peter Maher, and Jack Root.

Tommy Burns beat Marvin Hart, Jim Flynn, and Jack O'Brien.

Leon Spinks beat Muhammad Ali's ghost.

Charles Martin is not comparable to any of them. I don't wish him ill or anything, but he is the worst heavyweight titlist of all time. He can change that, but I've seen him fight a few times before and I don't think he will.

Tanzio wrote: Not for me. He who defeats Fury becomes The Champ. All others are pretenders.

You just said Wilder wasn't a pretender...

Anyway, Fury is the champion. Far from the best heavyweight but he is the man. What I meant by the winner of Povetkin/Wilder giving that title some meaning is that at least the belt itself will no longer be a hack job. At least the fighter wearing it can say he beat a legitimate top ten heavyweight.