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gregor wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think Tyson would have been VERY intimidated by Vitali. He's the one guy I think Vitali would have had the goods over all day long. Tough enough to survive the early onslaught, and busy enough to bust Mike up. He has his flaws, but he was tough as hell, and a true fightin' man, to paraphrase the Furys.

I see no reason for Tyson to be intimidated. IMO Tyson was much better at cutting the ring than Vitali at keeping his opponents on distance.
Tough to survive the early onslaught? Apart from maybe Sanders I can't remember anyone trying to do something remotely close to it... and while Vitali made it somehow and Sanders stamina was gone after 2 rounds, Tyson would be more dangerous... and would also last more than 2 rounds.

Busy enough to bust Mike up? Well, again I really doubt it. He looked OK after 10 rounds of target practice against guys like Adamek or Arreola, but nowhere close to it after a couple of rounds when Lewis just woke up. I would say that considering their styles, Vitali is still the first to run out of gas.

Of course, I assume you were discussing prime for prime, not the 2004 version when there were some rumours about this fight (which did not materialize since Tyson could not get through Williams at that time).

sweetviolenturge wrote:

x2x wrote:Good post, SweetV. I agree. I wonder if that tiny little wife, or girlfriend, of his has messed up his head.

Well, I'm not any sort of a gossip hound nor do I get into the whole celeb scene to any great deal, but I certainly haven't heard anything negative regarding Hayden or her relationship with her husband. I believe it was just the stress of a long, difficult pregnancy & the postpartum issues that distracted Wlad in his focus & preparations for Fury.
Whom, I think, Wlad & his camp may have considered much less of a difficult assignment than he turned out to be.
I think perhaps they thought that Fury would be gone the first time that Klitschko landed a significant blow & unfortunately, due to Fury's massive stature, his extremely awkward style & his simply being a better boxer than they thought he was, Wlad never really landed said blow. Nor many blows of ANY sort really.
But, I think that will change come 7 May.

BitPlayer wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Wales wrote:
Exactly. Arrogance of thinking it's shameful that a German promoted ukranian doesn't fight in Vegas lol

Idiotic people can't understand that these fights he was taking in Germany were hardly televised in the states and when they were, they were at 2pm on a Saturday. Then they use this same dumb excuse about "might as well fight where the money is". Genius ideas. Way to grow the brand and promote your sport. Germany...it's hilarious. I have to go back to Max Schmelling to find a German worth a damn in boxing.

By the same logic shouldn't the American champs made more effort to put on fights in Germany and other places to grow the sport?

caldo2025 wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Idiotic people can't understand that these fights he was taking in Germany were hardly televised in the states and when they were, they were at 2pm on a Saturday. Then they use this same dumb excuse about "might as well fight where the money is". Genius ideas. Way to grow the brand and promote your sport. Germany...it's hilarious. I have to go back to Max Schmelling to find a German worth a damn in boxing.

By the same logic shouldn't the American champs made more effort to put on fights in Germany and other places to grow the sport?

Just the opposite actually. US Television is so much more advanced than these other European countries and their transmissions hit so many more people in other countries all around the world. That is why boxers want to fight in America because they have a shot to become household names all over the globe. I just got back from Ireland and I couldn't believe how many years behind the US in tv technology. There's no way a fight ireland would ever have a chance of making it across the pond.

It's not because i'm American, it's just simple math. When only Germans are able to watch the heavyweight champion of the world fight then that's a problem.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No doubt, I was watching fights from Germany 10 years ago. Cordoba/Dunne was a great one from Ireland.

Wales wrote:Fury at a rave in North Wales last weekend

http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/video-bristo ... story.html

jbizzle20 wrote:Wlad will absolutely take Fury's head off, if Wlad gets the killer instinct back. Was I the only one who saw Fury just begging, BEGGING to eat a gigantic overhand right (a la Lewis/Rahman 1)? If Fury doesn't get his hands up, he'll be flat on his ass. I just think Fury is not in Wlad's league in regards to skill and power. It's just a matter of Wlad actually caring enough (a la Lewis/Rahman 2).

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

jbizzle20 wrote:Wlad will absolutely take Fury's head off, if Wlad gets the killer instinct back. Was I the only one who saw Fury just begging, BEGGING to eat a gigantic overhand right (a la Lewis/Rahman 1)? If Fury doesn't get his hands up, he'll be flat on his ass. I just think Fury is not in Wlad's league in regards to skill and power. It's just a matter of Wlad actually caring enough (a la Lewis/Rahman 2).

He's even more open when he sticks his chin in the air and jabs the body. Wlad hasn't had a spec of killer instinct since Brewster knocked him out.

Like a Boss wrote:

Wales wrote:Fury at a rave in North Wales last weekend

http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/video-bristo ... story.html

Gotta get that fatman gut off somehow.

Wales wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:

Wales wrote:Fury at a rave in North Wales last weekend

http://m.bristolpost.co.uk/video-bristo ... story.html

Gotta get that fatman gut off somehow.

true, couple of Ecstacy tabs and a good 12 hr dance. Surprised more fighters don't adopt this training technique!

Cap wrote:If Klitschko goes in against Fury with the same mindset he had with Pulev, I can see Fury getting knocked out. If he really doesn't care anymore or decides to use illegal substances and gets caught, Fury will win out....unless he's using drugs too. Boxing seems to be more about chemists than actual training.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

jbizzle20 wrote:Wlad will absolutely take Fury's head off, if Wlad gets the killer instinct back. Was I the only one who saw Fury just begging, BEGGING to eat a gigantic overhand right (a la Lewis/Rahman 1)? If Fury doesn't get his hands up, he'll be flat on his ass. I just think Fury is not in Wlad's league in regards to skill and power. It's just a matter of Wlad actually caring enough (a la Lewis/Rahman 2).

He's even more open when he sticks his chin in the air and jabs the body. Wlad hasn't had a spec of killer instinct since Brewster knocked him out.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

jbizzle20 wrote:Wlad will absolutely take Fury's head off, if Wlad gets the killer instinct back. Was I the only one who saw Fury just begging, BEGGING to eat a gigantic overhand right (a la Lewis/Rahman 1)? If Fury doesn't get his hands up, he'll be flat on his ass. I just think Fury is not in Wlad's league in regards to skill and power. It's just a matter of Wlad actually caring enough (a la Lewis/Rahman 2).

He's even more open when he sticks his chin in the air and jabs the body. Wlad hasn't had a spec of killer instinct since Brewster knocked him out.

Indeed. I expect the fight to be pretty similar to the first, but maybe Fury stops him this time.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

jbizzle20 wrote:Wlad will absolutely take Fury's head off, if Wlad gets the killer instinct back. Was I the only one who saw Fury just begging, BEGGING to eat a gigantic overhand right (a la Lewis/Rahman 1)? If Fury doesn't get his hands up, he'll be flat on his ass. I just think Fury is not in Wlad's league in regards to skill and power. It's just a matter of Wlad actually caring enough (a la Lewis/Rahman 2).

He's even more open when he sticks his chin in the air and jabs the body. Wlad hasn't had a spec of killer instinct since Brewster knocked him out.

Couple a specs for ya here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E22Jxaea8o

caldo2025 wrote:

Wales wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:


No shame in staying at home if that's where the money and fan base is.

Exactly. Arrogance of thinking it's shameful that a German promoted ukranian doesn't fight in Vegas lol

Idiotic people can't understand that these fights he was taking in Germany were hardly televised in the states and when they were, they were at 2pm on a Saturday. Then they use this same dumb excuse about "might as well fight where the money is". Genius ideas. Way to grow the brand and promote your sport. Germany...it's hilarious. I have to go back to Max Schmelling to find a German worth a damn in boxing.

thomasjkelley wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Wales wrote:
Exactly. Arrogance of thinking it's shameful that a German promoted ukranian doesn't fight in Vegas lol

Idiotic people can't understand that these fights he was taking in Germany were hardly televised in the states and when they were, they were at 2pm on a Saturday. Then they use this same dumb excuse about "might as well fight where the money is". Genius ideas. Way to grow the brand and promote your sport. Germany...it's hilarious. I have to go back to Max Schmelling to find a German worth a damn in boxing.

This is a very Ameri-centric view Caldo. And I agree that the world does revolve around America, as it should. But I live in my own bubble & understand some people think differently, or to be more precise; they think wrong/incorrectly. But in this case they have a point. America simply is not the Mecca of boxing anymore. American boxing fans have very little interest in foreign boxers for the most part, particularly Eastern Europeans. It is silly to think that a champion should fight in the States for less money and little fanfare when he could fight in his hometown to adulation of many screaming fans. I think the Klitschkos knew they could not win us over and they decided it was not worth the effort. I have no problem with that.

caldo2025 wrote: I do sound like the typical egocentric American thinking the world revolves around us but i'm really pointing to American Media mostly. American media is world friendly and if it's on TV here then everyone in the world should be able to find a way to watch. I missed at least 5 of Wlad's fights because there was no way to watch it. I would not be bitching at all if he fought in Germany every single fight and i was able to watch it. Sure Wlad made money off the Krauts and milked it but he really missed the boat on the worldwide stage and it will also affect his legacy in my opinion.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He's even more open when he sticks his chin in the air and jabs the body. Wlad hasn't had a spec of killer instinct since Brewster knocked him out.

Indeed. I expect the fight to be pretty similar to the first, but maybe Fury stops him this time.

Hard to picture a scenario where it's remotely entertaining. Luckily UFC 200 is the same day so I won't even be tempted to flip it on.