David Haye

Slapsie Maxie · Post by **Slapsie Maxie** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:46

I don't think he is chinny particularly. I do think he holds his hands far too low and is going to get tagged

That being said, I am sure he can provide some fireworks along the way

Slapsie

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:46

Kilburn wrote:Yeah well if he keeps improving then he'll see those kind of punches coming a mile off.

Too true!

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:47

Matchfixer wrote:
adamiw wrote:
Matchfixer wrote: In answer to the last sentence we don't know yet - thing is you could say that about any unproven fighter.

Why not stick to discussing what is evident at the moment.
i think it's a fair point. It's not like Haye hasn't been hurt before, he was all over the place after taking that right from Mock.
We all know about Mock - old fight, old news.

I agree we shouldn't jump to conclusions about that fight, or rather that punch. But we can't just ignore it and forget that it's happened. When discussing Haye's ability to take a punch, it's a relevent point.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:47

It seems there is a very pro-hobson bias to all your comments, I think perhaps that could be why you are so down on Haye.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:48

Slapsie Maxie wrote:I don't think he is chinny particularly. I do think he holds his hands far too low and is going to get tagged

That being said, I am sure he can provide some fireworks along the way

Slapsie

Hands can and will be kept higher. Get hold of the Williams fight for an up-to-date view.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:49

He's a phenomenal talent. I think the bad thing about showing a boxers first ten fights on such high profile TV is that the people see his/her weaknesses as she adapts to the fight game. Give him time. He's young yet.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:50

tea wrote:Hobsons been sparring heavyweights since he was 14,and hes owned them.Infact Hobson sparred Bagrat Ohanyon...if team Haye r so confident about him owning heavies maybe they should get him in for sparring and try owning him.

If Mark Hobson can "own" him then I'm sure Haye can too.

Hobson lost to Rothmann after all.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:51

tea wrote:Hobsons been sparring heavyweights since he was 14,and hes owned them.Infact Hobson sparred Bagrat Ohanyon...if team Haye r so confident about him owning heavies maybe they should get him in for sparring and try owning him.

Bag-rat.....did his parents not like him or something

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=131477

He isn't opf the calibre of some of the guys David's sparred with. But nothing against Hobson. He's #3 in the division behind Nelson and Haye. He's getting better and better, and i can see him progressing to European level and doing well once he's won the Lonsdale belt for keeps.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:52

adamiw wrote:Yes, David spars with some very good guys, and a lot of them heavyweight, and he's done nothing but own most of them. There are 2 sides to everything as you say. Some point out the above, others refer to the Mock knock down, and a fight back in the amateurs where he was KOd with one punch.

time will tell....

Next month Haye will be sparring with the Brazilian, Azile, who has just come off a decision loss to Braithwaite. You cant get much better sparring than that.

Slapsie Maxie · Post by **Slapsie Maxie** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:52

Matchfixer wrote:
Slapsie Maxie wrote:I don't think he is chinny particularly. I do think he holds his hands far too low and is going to get tagged

That being said, I am sure he can provide some fireworks along the way

Slapsie
Hands can and will be kept higher. Get hold of the Williams fight for an up-to-date view.

I did. It was better, but against a fighter who was working from memory and almost glacial in movement

Slapsie

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:52

Hopefully the two will face one another one day soon, and then we will see who is the better man.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:53

knockout artist wrote:
adamiw wrote:Yes, David spars with some very good guys, and a lot of them heavyweight, and he's done nothing but own most of them. There are 2 sides to everything as you say. Some point out the above, others refer to the Mock knock down, and a fight back in the amateurs where he was KOd with one punch.

time will tell....
Next month Haye will be sparring with the Brazilian, Azile, who has just come off a decision loss to Braithwaite. You cant get much better sparring than that.

I do believe he's also sparred with Alex Gurov, Danny Williams and Audley Harrison.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:55

knockout artist wrote:
adamiw wrote:Yes, David spars with some very good guys, and a lot of them heavyweight, and he's done nothing but own most of them. There are 2 sides to everything as you say. Some point out the above, others refer to the Mock knock down, and a fight back in the amateurs where he was KOd with one punch.

time will tell....
Next month Haye will be sparring with the Brazilian, Azile, who has just come off a decision loss to Braithwaite. You cant get much better sparring than that.

exactly. He's also sparred with Alexander Gurov, Khalid Jones, Vaun Bean, Michael Sprott, Danny Williams, Roman Greenberg....very good sparring.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 12 Jul 2004, 11:55

Matchfixer wrote:
knockout artist wrote:
adamiw wrote:Yes, David spars with some very good guys, and a lot of them heavyweight, and he's done nothing but own most of them. There are 2 sides to everything as you say. Some point out the above, others refer to the Mock knock down, and a fight back in the amateurs where he was KOd with one punch.

time will tell....
Next month Haye will be sparring with the Brazilian, Azile, who has just come off a decision loss to Braithwaite. You cant get much better sparring than that.
I do believe he's also sparred with Alex Gurov, Danny Williams and Audley Harrison.

lol, beat me to it.

tea · Post by **tea** » 12 Jul 2004, 12:01

Hayes not chinny,thats not what im saying.But to compete at the level that guys on here think Haye will his chin will let him down ,no question.Its a prerequisite that to operate in the top division u need a better chin than Hayes,which does not mean hes chinny,thats different.

tea · Post by **tea** » 12 Jul 2004, 12:11

U all missed the point about Ohanyon, its not the quality of sparring its the intensity.I didnt imply that Hobson owned Ohanyon lets just say Ohanyon came to own Hobson his coach said thats how he was taught to spar...... for real.Greenberg,Williams ive been told are a nice spar ,oh and Ohanyon is a very talented fighter.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 13 Jul 2004, 06:16

tea wrote:U all missed the point about Ohanyon, its not the quality of sparring its the intensity.I didnt imply that Hobson owned Ohanyon lets just say Ohanyon came to own Hobson his coach said thats how he was taught to spar...... for real.Greenberg,Williams ive been told are a nice spar ,oh and Ohanyon is a very talented fighter.

any idea why Ohanyon's deal with Warren never materialised??
3 times he should have been on a warren show??

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 13 Jul 2004, 06:34

adamiw wrote:
Slapsie Maxie wrote:he was all over the place after taking that right from Mock.

Doesn't that say it all?????

Slapsie

no, because it was a shot to the temple, as this pic shows:

Those shots aren't the same as a punch to the chin.[/quote]

Yes, but in Boxing, people get hit on the temple.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Jul 2004, 06:40

Yes, true, but it's fairly rare a full blooded shot lands right on that spot.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 13 Jul 2004, 06:42

knockout artist wrote: Yes, but in Boxing, people get hit on the temple.

True. I'm of the opinion you can either take a good shot....or you can't.
To say someone takes a great shot to the chin, but can't hold a shot to the temple seems bizzare.

There's plenty of great and good fighters who were never knocked over from a temple shot. Maybe knocked down by a huge punch a few times, but when they got up their legs weren't doing crazy things.
And its's defintely not because they never took a shot to the temple.

tea · Post by **tea** » 13 Jul 2004, 06:57

KO,on the Ohanyon thing i dont think they could get anyone to fight him.I know Bonsons team turned it down,mind u look at his credentials and also the rumours on him.And on the Hobson bias thing ,yeah definately.....did u also know Hobson is the only guy to give Bonson a count,not bad form.

J · Post by J » 13 Jul 2004, 07:00

personally i think we are lucky to have three potential contenders and two old wily champs in nelson and thompson, of different types of fighters too.

My pick has to be haye who undoubtedly has the most talent, but this isnt all about offensive ability its about the whole package. Time will tell however in regard to Mark, Enzo and David there is still a lot of unknowns and a lot of unchartered territory. Im looking forward to finding out who will rise to the top!

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 13 Jul 2004, 07:03

J wrote:personally i think we are lucky to have three potential contenders and two old wily champs in nelson and thompson, of different types of fighters too.

You're right J, the UK cruiserweights are looking good at the moment. Just hope these fights happen ( I'm thinking Enzo v Haye for starters ) and don't fade away, like the light middles did.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Jul 2004, 07:08

Yes, we are a bit spoilt for talent in this division, though much of it is yet unproven. A shame that Nelson and Thompson are exiting as the others open the door.

J · Post by J » 13 Jul 2004, 07:08

Thanks MW, yeah maybe so but I think they coudl climb the ladder a little if the fights cant be made for now.
I cant see Enzo getting in with Haye myself, I would like to see Enzo fight Hobson, I give Mark a better chance in that one that against Haye personally.
I like Mark solid workmanlike fighter, who is hard and honest.

I reckon he could give Macca a few probs, then Haye to fight the winner (if he takes Thompson on)